ONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 576 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3872 times:
"For the first time, JetBlue has boarded more customers at JFK than any other carrier for the year ending October 2003. We have surpassed American's JFK domestic and international boarding count of 6,743,647 with our Customer count of 6,832,622."
Not bad for an airline less than 4 years old. And for some reason I think this gap is only going to grow bigger in the future.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 29 Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3843 times:
It will increase from this point on. I 've got friends here in Denver that are dedicated Jetblue fliers now. They seem to have gone from ATA to Jetblue all at the same time gaining the feeling they are "bigtime" city folk now mingling with the stars. Jetblue seems to have brought back that nostalgic sense of "being associated with an airline" like the Hollywood and Broadway "stars" use to do back in the 40's, 50's and 60's mainly.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
Planemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 997 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3730 times:
Fantastic news, ONT 737! That's an interesting (and funny) note, DIA. This airline is really the best way to go from NYC. I flew Song from JFK on the same route as I had flown on JetBlue. Song does not come close JetBlue. With the new AirTrain connection, it makes it easier to access JetBlue as well, so one more reason why they should have increased traffic. Great news, indeed.
Nwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 675 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3670 times:
I would have to disagree with you. I flew B6 from MCO to JFK onto LGB. I have also flown Song from MCO to LGA, and MCO to LAX. Both of my Song flights far surpassed the JetBlue flights in terms of great service. The ground service at JetBlue was nothing speical. I just don't understand the JetBlue hype. Maybe I should try JetBlue again to see if it will change my opinion of them.
Planemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 997 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3579 times:
When I flew Song, the planes did not have IFE systems installed. We heard the same jokes on the out and inbound flights -- so these jokes were rehearsed and not spontaneous. The F/As seemed tired and completely unmotivated. The ground service at JFK for both are comparable -- lots of self-check-in kiosks, and plenty of check-in counters. The flights on B6 were ontime, and efficiently run. The F/As were courteous and even cheerful, the planes clean and of course the IFE was great.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3493 times:
Interesting that they are #1 at JFK and the bottom of the list at ATL. Oh ya, they got their blue kicked there didn't they.
Anyway I had their jetBlue experience, and it kind of reminded me of an old Kmart blue light special.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3474 times:
SunValley, they did get their ass kicked there but they had a smart enough management team to cut their losses and pull out. Big deal. I don't know why everyone is making a huge deal out of this. It was a GOOD THING! I'm glad they chose to redeploy their aircraft on more profitable routes.
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5472 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
Personally I like jetBlue's service better.
Song was OK, no IFE when I flew them 2 months ago from MCO-JFK. I don't like that they charge for snacks (a cookie $2, small thing of chips $2, candy bar $2 etc), when jetBlue gives these away for free.
JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3170 posts, RR: 20 Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
Great news for the Blue!
I flew song once from FLL-JFK and have vowed to never again fly song. The onboard atmosphere was pleasant, the food decent (I dont like to have to pay though!) and the seats relatively comfortable, what ensued pre-flight left me amazed.
Our flight got cancelled from FLL-EWR, the reason being that there was a big storm in the Newark area and the plane could not depart. We took this in stride and was booked onto the next morning's flight. A quick check home to my parents and sister in New Jersey and I realized that there really was a weather situation going on in NJ, so I found the story believable. But to satisfy my own thirst for knowledge, I checked jetBlue's schedule (FLL-JFK), Continental's schedule (FLL-EWR) and Southeast's schedule (FLL-EWR) and found that all of their flights for NYC had departed at most three hours late.
I wrote a letter to song stating my theory that they just did not have either a crew or a plane (or maybe the low load factor of 24) and in their response back, admitted it to me that the flight was cancelled due to lack of an airplane.
They sent me a $50 credit, which is valid on Delta, Delta Connection and song. I will use it on Delta, because song is never getting my business again.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 29 Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3343 times:
I dont get the "big time city folk" and "mingling with the stars" thing can you please expalin.
Sure! Since Jetblue's beginnings, the airline was posed to market itself as a unique airline associating itself with "the in crowd". . .including what their ground crews wear on the ramp! Those rampers are wearing Armani while the other airlines' ground crews wear Old Navy. In a nutshell, even though they have great pricing etc., the "jetset" crowd and the unfrequent fliers are finding Jetblue just the same. . .rubbing elbows with each other if you will. "Big time city folk" and "mingling with the stars" was just a smug way of speaking about the "glam" crowd. They repeatedly market themselves as a fashionable, but here to stay, airline.
I hope that wasn't too wordy. Anyway, there you have it.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3176 times:
I am confused as to how anyone that lives in Denver can be a loyal B6 flyer. Are you telling me that they will fly all the way to JFK (or BOS after 7 Jan), just to fly to anywhere else on the think B6 route map? What kind of convenience and ease of travel does that offer? I think the only true B6 flyers have to live in New England, otherwise - you have to fly across the country to make a connection in order to get where you are going.
It would make far more sense to assume that LCC flyers in Denver would be F9 fans, or anxiously awaiting the arrival of Ted. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate B6, and am a stock holder in the company. But overblown statements like that just get my attention.
JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3170 posts, RR: 20 Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3147 times:
Id have to disagree. There are a variety of places for jetBlue "loyalists" to live.
Of course, there is New England, which includes:
However, there is of course, JFK which provides access to nearly all of jetBlue's destinations, BOS and IAD excluded (though not for long). San Juan is also a great place for loyal fliers, because of they are flying to N.E. or the west coast, it is not out of their way to stop in JFK. Of course, flying SJU-FLL is another thing, since jetBlue does not have that route.
FLL is another great place for jetBlue fans, as they have easy access to the northeast (all northeastern destinations) as well as any west coast destination via Long Beach. Quite frankly, any Florida destination is perfect for those travelling northbound. Maybe not the most convenient westbound, though.
Long Beach and Oakland also offer great connections from the west coast for west coast fliers.
Your statement, AA7573E, I find to be unjust, as there are many many places that jetBlue flies to that make it convenient for connections.
AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3121 times:
Did you read my post? I said the loyalists live in New England, you rattled off a list of cities that are arguably in New England. Let me clarify for you - the Northeast or anywhere in New York, is a good place to assume to find B6 loyalists. Not DEN or any point west.
Where is the logic in taking a connection at JFK for a DEN PAX to get to a point East that could be served nonstop by F9 out of DEN? Or Ted out of DEN? Or UAL out of DEN?
Do PAX originate in the west for B6? Of course. Is it a stronghold, NO. Would you find more F9 loyalists out west than B6? Of course. That is obvious. As to FLL and San Juan - sure. They are great for B6 if you want to fly to JFK. But lets call a spade a spade. To fly anywhere from FLL or San Juan - you have to expect to make a connection now and again.
JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3170 posts, RR: 20 Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
Again, I disagree. The west IS a very important market for jetBlue and jetBlue has thrived at its LGB HUB(<-- notice the use of the word HUB) ever since it started service, ATL excluded.
F9 and B6 are totally different airlines that serve somewhat comprable markets in different capacities. jetBlue doesnt have the name recognition Frontier has in Denver, but the roles are much reversed in Long Beach/Los Angeles (that said without F9s new LAX move as its hasnt really taken effect yet).
jetBlue doesnt carry nearly as many passengers out of LGB that it does JFK, but if LGB got swept from under their feet, they would be a fish without water.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3025 times:
You refer to LGB as a jetBlue hub. That it is not. It is a focus O & D destination. There is very little hub -connecting going on there. It is a destination location whereby jetBlue has no more slots, and even had to relinquish some to other airlines.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2972 times:
Any way you look at it, this is good news for NYC and good news for aviation. I am a lifelong New Yorker and have never flown JetBlue as I have big mileage balances with some other carriers, but I think it's great that for the first time in years NYC has its own airline, not only because of the jobs created here but because as an LCC, JetBlue offers people from around the country an affordable way to get to our exciting but sometimes expensive city!!!!
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16555 posts, RR: 52 Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
The lead for Jetblue at JFK is only going to grow, however the passenger numbers for both AA and DL are heading in the opposite direction.
DL is stagnate to declining in passenger numbers and flights, while AA has axed almost all Eagle flights and there are no "real" prospects for growth untill the new Terminal is complete between '06 and '08.
When I say "real" I mean year round, I know AA might add Barcelona and Rome to JFK but not on a year round basis.
We shall see about AA's new JFK-Brussels route, this will be what the third or fourth time they have started this route in the last 16 years?..
Jetblue's growth is the reason why JFK this year finally regained the title from EWR for NYC's busiest airport in terms of passengers, EWR experienced a similar "growth spurt" in the Mid-Eighties because of PeoplExpress.
EWR held the title of busiest NYC airport for during the Eighties because of PeoplExpress, then JFK took it back from 1989-1995. However CO's EWR hub helped EWR regain the title which they held for Seven years, this year because of Jetblue JFK regained the title.
I have a feeling the title will go back and forth again during the coming years, It will be interesting to watch.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
The Oct report is not yet on the PANYNJ website, but if you look at the data through Sept on JFK/LGA/EWR consolidated traffic, JetBlue passed Delta (which is supposedly the official airline of NYC) for the #3 spot in domestic numbers behind CO and AA!!!!
Planemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 997 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2930 times:
And not to mention RiverVisualNYC that JFK is one of the few large airports to record an increase in traffic nationwide. This was attributed to the growth of JetBlue. Yes, JetBlue is still dominant in the east, and has many flights in Florida. Denver is certainly under-utilized, so BOS-DEN is a good thing. I think SLC, SEA, MSY should also be boosted...and from JFK as well otherwise they may get the boot as in ATL (granted MSY and SEA are not hubs, but SLC is Delta territory). LAS now enjoys quite a few flights, and hopefully there will be other points that will connect with LAS. This is an airline that is growing -- quite the opposite of most majors. So yes, they may be weak in some areas now, but soon enough, that will change.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
Planeman- I think its all good news for us New Yorkers, I work in business travel here in NYC and we have suffered not only because of 9/11 and the economy, but from the continued perception by many Americans that NYC is an overpriced destination where hotels and restaurants are expensive and everyone is out to take advantage of you. JetBlue ties in very nicely to the new, value-oriented image that NYC must adapt to attract visitors.
25 Lhr001: For all Jet Blue lovers out there.... You have very competitive and much more "civilized" rival at JFK! Long Live Song View Large View MediumPhoto &co
26 JBLUA320: Thanks for that dose of maturity. jetBlue has been making steady progress and only great things are in store, especially when those new EMBs come. A s
27 Wedgetail737: DIA: It's funny that you mention Jetblue is where people feel like they're flying with the stars. I saw an episode of Rich Girls on MTV where Ally Hil
28 Lhr001: And Song has fashion designer Kate Spade.... and Spa Cuisine! LHR001
29 Wedgetail737: Unfortunately, the midwest doesn't have a whole lot of LCC traffic. Airtran and Southwest conquer the midwest right now, but it's dominated by mainlin
30 Jcxp15: One good thing JetBlue has going for them also is that, as Wedgetail737 mentioned, the younger crowd, especially in the NYC area, knows all about them
31 Wedgetail737: I don't know if it works to their advantage or not, but for some people...and I stress "some"...Song is just Delta. While I've been to OAK, I've obser
32 RiverVisualNYC: For those of you who mentioned the "branding" aspect of JetBlue, let me mention that PeopleExpress was originally a trendy brand as well, they had a n
33 JBLUA320: While you may see those younger crowds on the western flights, the flights to Florida are always a good mix of that young hip crowds, families traveli
34 Lhr001: JCXP15 stated- Song, which isn't known among most people Reply- Have you seen the articles in the following magazines that herald Song, its image, its
35 JAL777: You see something that most fail to recognize is the fact that the Song crowd is very different from the Jet Blue crowd. Song is marketing the wealthy
36 JetBluefan1: Lhr001, I have some disagreements with you on your theory about Song and JetBlue. "For all Jet Blue lovers out there.... You have very competitive and
37 JetBluefan1: One more thing. How is Song more "civilized"? Song is the airline that started selling tickets a day late, and Song is the airline that missed its dea
38 Rjpieces: JetBlueFan1, Alitalia and Korean Air (as well as Air France) operate from Terminal 1, not Delta's terminal.
39 JetBluefan1: "JetBlueFan1, Alitalia and Korean Air (as well as Air France) operate from Terminal 1, not Delta's terminal" Thanks for that I flew VA in 2000 from T1
40 Jcxp15: LHR001 just has a personal "vendetta" against B6, like a lot of people on these boards, who feel like they own an airline and are a major part of it..
41 JetBluefan1: I also saw the episode where Ally and Jamie went to SEA. I was actually surprised that they chose J6 - well that shows you what the rich think of JetB
42 Rjpieces: JCXp15, what school do you go to in NYC?
43 STT757: The real NYC Elite fly G-Vs out of Teterboro and Westchester, not "commercial".
44 JBLUA320: Just a little thing, jetbluefan1... its B6 not J6 JBLU
45 Rjpieces: hahahah I looked up J6 and it had two results...One airline operating in Russia and another operating small routes in Alaska and I was wondering what
46 SunValley: It will be ineteresting to see what B6 does when Branson starts his US operation with that "hip" B6 crowd. Do you suppose you will be able to buy a B6
47 OttoPylit: Let me just say that I just walked in from a trip of testing both Jetblue and Song and Song ups Jetblue in my opinion by a longshot. I bought my ticke
48 ShortsFA: Talk about some uptight f/a's on JetBlue. Pissed off at me for not wearing my employee ID
49 JetBluefan1: "Talk about some uptight f/a's on JetBlue. Pissed off at me for not wearing my employee ID" How could they be pissed off at you if you live in Pittsbu
50 Rjpieces: Sunvalley, Branson has said the new airline won't compete with WN or B6. I think competing with them will be hard to avoid but we'll see!
51 DIA: AA7573E wrote: "I am confused as to how anyone that lives in Denver can be a loyal B6 flyer. Are you telling me that they will fly all the way to JFK
52 JetMARC: Shorts FA: Most of us a jetBlue feel that if another airline FA is going to jumpseat on us, the least they could do is introduce themselves with frien
53 JetBluefan1: JetBlue actually treats the "jumpseat" F/A's from other airlines very well. I was on an MCO-JFK flight on B6, and there was a flight attendant from Un
54 NWAFA: JetMarc, Your right, these jumpseaters should show proper etiquette...shame on them. I have heard that I could jumpseat on you guys, wish I could!!!
55 DeltaSFO: These JetBlue vs. Song battles that any topic about either one descends into are downright ridiculous. People here fly either one maybe once or twice
56 JetBluefan1: "LAX is not slot controlled. JetBlue could start serving LAX tomorrow if they wanted to." Right, but they don't want to. Another example of B6 choosin
57 PROSA: The argument was that Song is more convenient to Los Angeles because it flies directly into LAX, not Long Beach. LAX is more convenient than LGB as a
58 Wedgetail737: These Jetblue Vs. Song discussions are just as entertaining as the Boeing Vs. Airbus discussions.
59 SHUPirate1: Only counting Origin and Destination passengers, and not including connecting passengers, B6 actually carried 38% of the passengers from JFK, signific
60 JBLUA320: In regards to DeltaSFO's post, you should read what I wrote. The plane was due from Orlando, where the weather was fine. Its not the cancelling the fl