Nycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3327 times:
I Just flew on jetblue flight 350 and was amazed when they had the people in the front half of the plane board through the front door and people in the back board through the back door. This made the boarding process very easy, fast, but the best part was that i got to see the plane up close. Anyway, my question is WHY DON'T MORE AIRLINES DO THIS?
Also, has anyone else noticed that JetBlue has the best looking flight attendants?
M404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2213 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3312 times:
Ramp Safety. You should have at least one person available to watch the pax leaving the bldg and another at the stairs. In todays climate management is too busy cutting employees to spare them. Pax also are in the way of ramp equipment and are in danger.
Southwest, use to at least, board thru the rear while deplaning thru the front and F/As madly trying to pick up the big hunks of stuff left behind while going up the middle.
Also inclement weather, hot, cold or wet, is a deterrent. Just not a real good idea in many cases. Also the extra stairways involved are just that much more a chance for an accident.
However I understand your feelings about seeing the acft "in person" and sometimes miss the old days of the tail loaders
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
Wpmike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3276 times:
I am willing to bet M404 has gone up and down the rear steps on the Martin 4-0-4 aircraft a few times. I have too, that was 'boarding throught the back of the plane'. Also had opportunity to do same on 727 and DC-9 aircraft. God I'm old!
Bluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3139 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3232 times:
If the airport has no air-bridges, like LGB, KOA, to name some, they can do this. As M404 said, their has to be adequate staffing by the airline to provide that the pax stay away from the equipment. Those were the good old days ...
I can remember when HNL had no air-bridges ... how's about climbing stairs to board a 747, or DC-10? Think an A320, 727, 737, or MD80 are bad? 707s and DC-8s are in between.
Check this one out, fly JL in or out of KOA, and you WILL do that. There are two sets of stairs, front and back.
One thing is for sure, it definitely speeds up the turn-around time for the airline.
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FinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3134 times:
Here at Helsinki almost all planes which are parked on remote stands are boarded through the front and aft doors. It is much more comfortable for passengers and also very efficient. I think that is very common elsewhere in the Europe too.
Jmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3113 times:
Ryanair will do this wherever possible. It speeds up embarking and disembarking so much, enabling quicker turnarounds. Ryanair believe in this system so much that I have even seen them be allocated a stand with an airbridge but stop short so they can steps on the front and back!!
As Jaspike said it is also routine in the Meditteranean holiday resorts, I boarded through the back steps this year on my TFS-BHX flight as it goes...
Necigrad From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3072 times:
I would think that this is all bad. I've seen jetBlue do this here in LAS. I see the potential for aircraft damage, pasenger injury, security risks.... Unless it's absolutly necessary, it's not a good idea IMO. Besides, if they would think about it, they're not going to get the plane loaded and fueled that fast anyway.
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2782 times:
It is so strange to see how amused people are about airstairs, and people like me who work on caribbean airports, know nothing else..
We you use two stairs on most jets for boarding and deplaning.
A320 - 1L and 2L
B737 - 1L and 2L
A319 - 1L and 2L
A310 - 1L and rearmost door
MD80 - comes with its own, but we use the foward and rear "under belly" stairs too.
B727 - 1L alone
B777 - 1L and 2L
B747 - 1L and 2L
B767 - 1L and 2L or 4L (according to the config, but we use the rearmost door whatever it is)
A330 - 1L and (rearmost door)
I think i just about covered the type of aircarft that serve our little airport. Email me for some pics since they are not the high quality Airliners.net needs.
Simongkhon From Sweden, joined Oct 2003, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2718 times:
Strange is the word, as Captaink put it. In south east Asia it's not uncommon to be bussed out to a remote stand when you fly domestic. Though I never really noticed, I'm sure there's almost always boarding front and aft, as I remember numerous occasions I've boarded aft.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
JetBlue boards through the rear door at several of its cities, namely LAS, LGB and most or all of the Florida destinations.
Ramp safety is a prime consideration for where and when it is allowed. Obviously at a busy or cramped airport, it is not going to happen, thus it will never happen at JFK. Besides, the weather isn't up to it too often at JFK!
Personally, I like it. It DEFINITELY speeds up the boarding/deplaning and turn process. I also enjoy arriving at a nice warm city, walking out into the warmth, smelling the Jet-A as I walk on the tarmac - good stuff. I will also point out that other airlines do this at some airports and I think it is a great option where available. Hey, if you don't like it, then the front jetway is always open!
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2554 times:
JetBlue boards from the rear of the aircraft for the rear rows.
For example, it will board rows 1-5 from the front door while simultaneously boarding rows 21-26 at the rear doors. It is a similar routing for exiting, although if you are quicky (and pushy) you could exit from the rear if you are seated in the forward part of the cabin. Depends on how much it means to you!!
A JetBlue hint for you: the rows from the exit rows back have more legroom than those forward of the exit rows, by an inch or two. I have not flown on a newly configured B6 aircraft, but I believe the pitch is quite good in the back half of the cabin.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2784 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
"Also, has anyone else noticed that JetBlue has the best looking flight attendants?"
You caught onto that too? Yes, they definitely do have the most attractive flight attendants.
JetBlue also boards through the rear in FLL. I was in a Delta going to JFK, and I saw them using the staircase to deplane out the back. There was a flight attendant at the bottom of the stairs saying goodbye to everyone and guiding them to the terminal. There are also ground personnel doing whatever to the aircraft, so it seems like it's all pretty secure.
Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2515 times:
I find it difficult to believe security is an issue for rear deplaning/boarding. It's not like people just randomly wander the ramp and board the aircraft! As for the passengers themselves, what are they going to do? Make a run for it?
The role of the ramp agent is to look out for any strange activity (very unlikely) but more for safety. They would want to be sure the passengers stay between the cones or lines and that no ground equipment encroaches the boarding areas.
TransCon1976 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 30 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2507 times:
This is just another example of the common sense approach that jetBlue has taken to offer better service and quicker turn around times resulting in this industry’s lowest CSM. At airports where jetbridges are available, customers always have the option of waiting in their seat and utilizing the forward exit and Jetway. As an Inflight Crewmember, I can tell you that if given the option, customers will get off the plane the quickest way possible. They don’t want to wait in a long line to deplane or a long snaking boarding queue. I have NEVER heard a complaint from a customer regarding the use of air stairs in the aft.
Aussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2375 times:
It all about Jet Blue, I am sure there are other airlines who do the same? In Australia Virgin Blue occasionally has you board via the aerobridge at the front and also via the ground to board to the rear of the plane.
25 RampRat74: We used to use the rear for deplaning and boarding on our United shuttle flights here in PDX. You need a person at the terminal and one at the plane a
26 717-200: speaking of shuttle flights, does USAirways Shuttle still use the L2 door for deplaning of their 319's and 20's at DCA and BOS?
27 Dinker225: Rear airstair boarding is used at EGE on the 757's that come in. It is a great way to quickly turn the plane when it is running late. Something that h
28 Concord977: 717-200 - Yes, both USAirways Shuttle and Delta Shuttle are using rear doors at DCA. USAirways uses the rear doors on all shuttle aircraft. Delta uses
29 L-188: At Reeve all the time. That was because all of the Electras and 727's where Combis and carried freight up front. Reeve didn't even bother leasing any
30 Kevin752: I have boarded through the rear of an A320, A319, and a B737-200and 300. All the airbuses that I have boarded throught the rear were on Croatia Airli
31 N323er: what about those new dual jetways cool ha. Just think how they might work a A380
32 777ER: Does DJ still let their guests who are up the back of the 737 board from the rear door?
33 Worldperks: In the dark early morning on December 26th, we disembarked Alaska Airlines flight 6 at Washington-Dulles from the rear of the plane, with a difference
34 L-188: I would be freaking out too. One of you guys slip and fall and you just know you are getting sued
35 CanadianNorth: I've boarded via the rear airstairs many times... Dont have much choice on a 37 when they have the cargo being loaded up front, Im sure its alot safer
36 Continental: When I fly out of Zagreb, Croatia, we usually board from the back, and others board from the front, it is fast and efficient. We even did it at MUC wh
37 EZYAirbus: Hi I boarded easyJet flight twice on the same day through the rear door, LTN and EDI, no idea why at LTN only 33 on board!!!! Glenn
38 KaiGywer: I've noticed at MSP, DL will always park their MD80s with the back door (the one in the tail) open, do they actually use this one, or is it for the ea
39 Sevenair: I dont like rear boarding, its noisy, due to APU, and on the MD/Super 80 (or whatever u want to call them), the stairs go up in between the engines, w
40 Captaink: Boarding through the rear of the MD-83 is my favorite. I love hearing the loud APU's, and vibrating staris as you board, and the contrasting quiet as