Billy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 8 Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6878 times:
As predicted, AA has filed for transatlantic 757 services from BOS to MAN. Aircraft will be domestic configured, and domestic F seats will be sold to full Y and frequent flyers. Services start from April, I think. Not yet in the AA system, but slots are filed at MAN.
Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6735 times:
Oh dear the 757-ization of the North Atlantic continues!
Hopefully BMI will counteract with an A330 on the route!
Perhaps, Virgin will afford an A340 to Boston from Manchester!
Why has American chosen the 757 over the 767-200 it seems odd. And most of all the 767-200 affords travellers the oppurtunity to choose First, Business, or Economy Class. This will have to be played by ear! Didnt American Airlines flop a few years back on DFW-MAN?
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6604 times:
Hopefully BMI will counteract with an A330 on the route!
Doubt whether BMI will go into Boston - its not a good hub for Star Alliance. BMI's third A330 is in any case allocated to MOD flights from Brize Norton to Ascension Island and Mount Pleasant (Faulklands) until the spring, after which a BMI MAN-YYZ service is currently the favoured rumour.
Billy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6587 times:
Surely the BMI aircraft will need a reconfiguration? It is heavy on the biz cabin and premium economy. MAN-YYZ really does not need that config. I assume that AC would gracefully withdraw from the route?
Flymeagain From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 11 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6517 times:
The BMI A-330 is going to be reconfigured after the MOD contract. Andy (sorry) Skymonster is quite correct though, YYZ is the most favorable route at the mo when the mod contract finishes, But, MIA has been blowing in the wind.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6454 times:
OK, we're sort of off-subject a bit here, but I wish BMI would make its mind up what it is doing with trans-Atlantics and its 3rd A330 next summer. I'm currently trying to arrange some travel into the summer season, and being a gold carder as well as a former nine-year employee, I'd far rather support BMI than the other alternatives.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7168 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6396 times:
Did AA reconfingure the 5 (or was it 6?) 757s that they used on the MAN-JFK run back in 1995? I've no objections to 757s across the pond - far better to try to maximise yields on a smaller aircraft with fewer premium seats to fill before progressing onto the "main" transatlantic aircraft. Anyway, MAN operations for most airlines should concentrate on 2 class configuration!
Conair From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6352 times:
If I remember rightly the American B757 service was to JFK in the summer of 1995, they only used about 6 different aircraft on the route and it was dropped at the end of the summer season. There have been rumours in the past as to both AA service to DAL & MIA but nothing has yet materialized. As david says the aircraft can be used to develop the market. remember Continental started with 757's on MAN-EWR and have used both DC10's and B777's since, are suposed to be going back to triples this summer. Having said that I remember going to MCO a good few years ago on a Monarch (Charter configured B757, well it was cheap) via BGR, a never to be repeated experiance.
Aanalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6307 times:
All 757's have ben reconfigured to LRTC :-(
I would like to know where Billy got his info though. There's nothing on any of the company websites about BOS-MAN. It really wouldn't surprise me if the service was a 767-300. All of AAs 767-200s are in 3-Class configuration, and mainly being used on 2 routes: LAX-JFK and SFO-JFK. The 757s that AA flies that are Overwater equipped are already stretched very thin with the extensive Haawaii routes.
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Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6271 times:
Thanks, AAnalyst - I wasn't sure about that, although I was afraid that that would be the answer...
Anyhow, wouldn't even a 3-class 762 make more sense on this route? After all, if they're planning to sell the domestic-first-class seats as Y-full fare? Why not use a three class aircraft redesignated as "Economy/Coach", "Economy-Full-Fare" and "Business Class" config? This way they could still get some of the business traffic on this route, and even if it's not a lot (although I don't know if it isn't) it would still be some...
I can't really see any scheduled carrier opening a transatlantic flight with essentially an all-economy-seating (even if they have a separate, better, cabin for full-fare-payers) - or is any airline (scheduled, not charter) doing something like this already?
AA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6225 times:
The 767-200's are used for the JFK LAX, JFK SFO markets... Using them out of BOS would throw a ripple in that system, and these are premium markets within the United States.... Highly doubt that they would be moved out of those markets...
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6197 times:
AA777MIA, you're right, but do you think that a 757 without MRTC makes sense on this route? Or, for that much, that this route really makes sense for AA?
What, by the way, is AA's seating capacity on the 752, 762 and 763 (I'm quite certain that I've seen it on other threads on occasion, but I don't really know where that was)?
Billy, do the slots in MAN specifically mention AA flying 757s on that route? I'm just asking, because, to be honest, I do not have a single bit of an idea what information gets put into slot applications...
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6181 times:
Even if American were to fly a 767-200 across the pond to MAN from BOS, it would most likely be configured in Business and Economy only. AA has removed First Class from a number of 767-300's flying to non-primary European routes (Brussels, Rome, etc....) and the 767-200 has not been flying to Europe since 2000 when service was standardized around the 767-300 and the 777.
And someone said that the JFK-MAN route had the highest load factors on the North Atlantic, I would say no. The highest load factors are probably on the LHR flights from JFK and EWR.
Billy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6137 times:
Airport slots indicate airline, aircraft type, destination, arrival/departure times at slot airport, as well as period of operation and whether the flight is a charter/cargo positioning etc. Fairly detailed info. Most US airports are not slot controlled. Most large European airports are slot controlled.
The AA flight was their highest load factor on the NA according to my knowledge. LHR-JFK is a busy route but they also have larger aircraft. Getting 95% loads on a 757 is much easier than on the MD-11 (as they were flying then). However, the MAN yield was also one of the lowest on the NA.
AA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6130 times:
To be real honest, not sure why they would start this flight, but I would assume the logic is for holiday travelers.. If that were the case, then it goes with the logic of using the 757 is "leisure" markets, which is what the majority of the passengers would be. The LRTC config I believe is basically the same as UK aircraft, if I am not mistaken.. The 767-200's were left in 3 class config, so they could serve the Premium Market in the JFK, LAX, JFK, SFO markets.. To answer your question on capacity..
757-200's hold 22/166 in the LRTC confg... If there are any left MRTC 22/154
767-200's hold 9/30/119
767-300's hold 30/182 in 2 class config...
Iflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5943 times:
It's seems like a trend is starting in using the 757 on North Trans Atlantic routes. Depending on the market, I can see MAN being ideal for the 757 and more so for AA because it would be a leisure market. CO has been using the 757 on CLE-LGW(can't remember if seasonal or year round), and it seems to work for them. Didn't TW at some point run 757's on some North Atlantic routes?
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5882 times:
I have no problem with the 757 operating transatlantic routes, its the right aircraft where demand is thin and/or yeilds are an issue, I have flown on CO 757s transatlantic many times without issue both in Business and Economy. However, I do think its odd that AA would use a domestic configured LRTC aircraft for the route and why would AA go with a BOS-MAN service - arent JFK-MAN (why did AA have problems with this route in the first place, one would think it be a huge money-maker) would make more sense, as would MIA-MAN to tie into the large AA hub.
Uaord From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 86 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5785 times:
Why bother with a first class section on transatlantic flights on the 757? The layout and configuration is so weak compared to any widebody. The fare would have to be significantly less expensive to rationalize flying F on any 757.