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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Has an air link ever existed between both Lille and London and Maastrict and London? If so, when, what frequency and to which London airport? If not, does demand exist for, say, two weekday flights (timed for business people, i.e. one in the morning and one in the evening), between those cities and LCY?


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8867 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

I think that KLM Cityhopper or a BA regional partner used to fly LHR-Maastrict 2-3 times daily with an Embraer EMB-120. These flights were dropped sometime around 2001.

Jeff


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

That reminds me: there's a twice-weekday AT7-operated service from LHR to EIN. Presumably, based on their departure times, these services primarily cater for business travellers. Accordingly, would a LCY-EIN-LCY be worthwhile? Always nice to think up possibilities...


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Maastricht and London have been connected for years by KLM partner Air Exel, however, the flight operates into London Stansted which limits connection possibilities. KLM Cityhopper at one time operated MST-Eindhoven-London flights, but not for many years.

Ryanair gave Maastricht a go with a daily STN-MST flight.........service started in the Spring of 2003 and the last service is this coming week. Ryanair only had one flight per day, and it was oddly timed, so passenger loads were rather poor.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2207 times:
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Who can forget the BAF Viscount in Virgin's livery operating LTN-MST back in the late 1980s. Didn't think they went to LGW as well but here's a photo of it:


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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Yes, there were Air France flights from Lille to London. To LHR first, then later to LCY. Those flights were phased out when Eurostar came about. Given that Eurostar gets you into Central London in no time, I doubt that there would be a market for flights from Lille.

User currently offlineAirchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Yes the Virgin Viscount did also operate from LGW.

Also I seem to remember a UK carrier operating LGW-EIN-MST with Shorts 360's during the 90's. Titan maybe?

Did Air Europe Express/Cityflyer ever do MST-LGW?

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User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Back in the mid 90's my dad used to take a flight on a BAe 146 to Maastricht. It was a direct flight from LGW to MST. I have no idea what the airline was. Anybody have any guesses who would've flown that aircraft on that route?

Peter



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2096 times:

But wouldn't MST-LON and EIN-LON be more business routes than for leisure? Accordingly, would it not make sense to operate into LCY, in the heart of London, instead of to LHR or LHR, despite the quick links to central London via trains?


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2079 times:

Neither MST-London or EIN-London are huge markets, both are rather small cities and its doubtful whether either could support a service into London City, which I think its rather expensive to operate in and out of.

MST is about 100k (60 miles) from Brussels airport, and EIN is about 125k (70 miles) from Amsterdam Schiphol - thus most pax use the larger airports. I live about 10k from MST but always use BRU airport - its just easier and more nonstop flights are available, most in the area do the same.

Most of the flights out of MST (and EIN) are charter flights going to sun destinations.


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2050 times:

On the subject of Lille-London, as Mozart has mentioned earlier, this route was served in the past by AF. Not sure when it stopped flying into LHR (early 90's?) but I remember that it was flown twice daily by TAT using F28's in AF colours. Can't remember if it was a point to point service or a stop on Strasbourg-LHR (though I'm sure some people out there will remember).

Not sure what the equipment was when flown in LCY, possibly AT4?



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2051 times:

Yeah, but RTM is not far from AMS, yet it supports several daily flights into LCY because of the business nature of the city. It's a shame that EIN and MST does not seem to have such traffic. Oh well.  Wink/being sarcastic


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User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

I believe EIN has quite a lot of flights to London. 2 Daily KLM flights to LHR and 2 daily flights to LTN by Ryanair.

It's a shame that from next week MST will not have scheduled service to London anymore. KLM excel pulled out of STN-MST when ryanair came in. Now that Ryanair will leave MST next week, there will no scheduled service anymore from MST to London. However, I think there is enough demand for traffic between MST and London. I hope some carrier will start service to London from MST soon.


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Capital146, you're right, for some time this was just a stopover on the SXB-LIL-LHR route. But I really cannot remember the plane for the LCY route. Maybe a AT4, as you say, or an EM2?

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

O/T a bit:

When I rode Eurostar from Waterloo to Gare de Nord last November, I passed by an airport before arriving into Paris (say, about 30 minutes prior to arrival). I wish I could remember what side of the train it was on, but I can't remember. Looks like this airport had jetways, and a few jet aircraft (Air France mostly, but smaller Airbus jets).

I was thinking it must be Lille, but now i'm not sure.

Anyone know which smallish airport that may have been?


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

No, that must have been Paris CDG!! Lille does not have all that traffic and is about 1 hour from Paris Gare du Nord (actually, I don't think you can see it from the train). Paris CDG is visible as the train passes along the Western edge of the airport area about 20 mins before pulling into Gare du Nord. One can easily see the Fedex Hub and some AF widebodies which are also parked at that end of the airport area. I don#t think you would see the gates though, they are too far away to be seen from the train. But you can see planes on final.

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1854 times:

But wouldn't MST-LON and EIN-LON be more business routes than for leisure? .

The EIN-LHR is indeed mostly business (due to a specific electronics company who has based its manufacturing and R&D around Eindhoven). EIN-STN (Ryanair) is less business.

MST-LON was also business traffic driven but has never been a success (not much appeal and didn't have the support of a major multi national).

Yeah, but RTM is not far from AMS, yet it supports several daily flights into LCY because of the business nature of the city.

The RTM-LON market (thus LCY, LHR and soon STN) are somewhat special. Rotterdam is the airport which the two largest Anglo Dutch companies (Unilever and Shell) mostly use and thus generate a lot of traffic regardless of the other companies in the Rotterdam area (and a harbour nearby does generate a lot of traffic). LCY and LHR are mostly business flights. The twice daily STN flights (which will start in March) will be a mix although businesses are known to use LCCs these days.

BTW EIN does also have a EIN-CDG flight.


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

CDG was my first thought, but it seemed so dead there that I thought surely that can't be Paris' main airport.

Thanks for the help.


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

LHR-LIL-SXB was operated by AF (TAT F28s) twice daily throughout the 80s, one flight early am & 1 late afternoon. The morning flight also continued on to FCO. Not sure when they stopped (early 90s I guess), but the morning flight was always full & the afternoon one slightly less busy, when I checked them in.

You do pass LIL on the Eurostar & can easily see the terminal on the far side of the runway if you're quick enough.



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