FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1974 posts, RR: 3 Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
If my understanding is right there are currently two vacant US gateways available to BA (CLT and SAN having being dropped by BA in '02 and '03 respectively) under Bermuda II.
If BA does not restart services to these destinations where do people consider it most likely BA (Or even VS) would consider applying to serve? (VS was able to launch services to LAS after BA dropped PIT).
Graham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
I think TPA would go daily before they add any new services, as it is improving drastically. Although VS here in TPA would be nice, anyone think it could happen?
On topic, I did hear about San Jose from a BA Pilot on my TPA-LGW flt.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2532 times:
Realistically, I think BA will be dropping US destnations before it adds them. Just watch the news. As long as they are a target of Al Qaeda and are subject to random US government-ordered cancellation, detention, and inspection, I don't think there are going to be alot of people clamoring to fly BA (or any airline) between the US and Europe....I say this as a fan of BA and someone with a 6-figure Executive Club mileage balance.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1974 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
Hmm, well if BA were to drop further US destinations, what happens when the time is right to restart them? Can VS challenge to operate dropped BA routes/new routes itself? Or does BA hold the rights still even though it's not operating them?
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
Ok, if AA has a big presence there, then it might make sense - and seeing that the SFO flights don't usually suffer from a lack of pax loads, it might make sense... somehow I've just never seen SJC as an airport interesting for flights from Europe - but, then again, I've never been to SJC, so I cannot really judge it...
Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
Leskova- I would guess if more flights were added to the Bay Area, they would be added to SFO. It has a few one world airlines (BA, AA, CX) and EI is supposed to start flights in 2004, so nothing to sneeze at there either. I would guess a 3x weekly LGW-SJC if that flight is started, or an additional 3x 744 is SFO gets increased service.
Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2384 times:
San Jose
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American Airlines serves Tokyo/Narita. One World as of recent has been very interested in the ongoing growth potential of One World hubs and or focus destinations. American Airlines has served Taipei and Paris from San Jose as well!
In addition American Airlines has been determined to have a stronger presence in the Bay Area. American resently aquired several new gates at San Francisco and is looking to expand there as well. Dont forget the West Coast has no connection to London Gatwick with the expception of Las Vegas in Virgin Atlantic!
If British Airways were to drop destinations the top to go would more than likely be Baltimore, and Charlotte.
Furthermore, dont count St. Louis out of the running with a large American Airlines presence be it regional or domestic can still effectively feed at least one daily London flight be it a 763 or 777!
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1974 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2364 times:
LHR001, Charlotte was dropped in 2002. For the previous year it had been served as an extension of the LHR-Baltimore service after BA transfered a number of US services to LHR from LGW.
I was interested to see in another thread regarding LH's decision to drop PHX that BA may follow suit - surprising given it is upgrading to a 744 from a 777 for the summer season.
SJC would make sense in terms of feed for BA. SFO has good O&D traffic, while PHX has good feed from America West. AA could give BA good feed at SJC if it added a service there.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1974 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2301 times:
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2200 times:
I was interested to see in another thread regarding LH's decision to drop PHX that BA may follow suit - surprising given it is upgrading to a 744 from a 777 for the summer season.
Upgraded to a 747-400, but no longer daily with no more Wednesday flights. Still an overall capacity boost, however. On lower-yielding routes (and I am guessing the problem with PHX is yield, not loads), it is sometimes better to try to sell more lower-yielding seats in a bigger plane. Hence, why lower yielding destinations get high-density aircraft.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1974 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2052 times:
Makes sense. I know BA don't offer First on their PHX flights (Likewise with Denver) - so is this going to change with 744 operation as I thought they were all configured with 14 First seats?
ScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2383 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2023 times:
I heard a rumour of a EDI-GLA-JFK. I can't see it happening though.
As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
Lhr001...what new gates did AA get here? News to me!
Rumor before 9/11 was that BA was looking at a 3rd flight, a 777 that would overnight here cause they were seeking a spot for overnight parking.
Its would be cool to see them swing a 777 into SJC, but I give that a slim chance.
ASSFO
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Sjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1978 times:
I really can't imagine BA filling better than a 763 into SJC to be quite honest. Most of the South Bay is within reasonable catchment of SFO, especially for international travel. Also, AAs presence at SJC really is not that strong these days. Most of the routes make their money on O&D, and a very sizeable portion of the NRT traffic is O&D.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 23 Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1937 times:
With the economy getting better, I think several potential US destinations are cities that BA has cut recently, ie SAN, or CLT. I am confident we will see SAN back on the routemap by 2005 at the latest, barring another catastrophic downturn in the industry, or the entry of another carrier in the San Diego-Europe market.
Still, I think BA's most likely move will be additional frequency on some routes. We have already seen this on routes to LAX and IAH. As far as totally new cities, perhaps SJC, FLL, MSP, or LAS.
EK345 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1880 times:
Why did BA drop SAN anyway? Is it a permanent decision or was it due to seasonal drop in traffic? Do you think they will restart the route come Spring and the weather warms up in SoCal???
Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1861 times:
We think that there is a huge opportunity for BA to fly LGW-MSY. New Orleans is such a huge tourist destination for European travellers, and you cannot discount the "huge" presence of British immigrants in the bayou. I was told by my uncle's sister, who has a friend who works as a baggage handler for F9 that the deal is almost done...its just paperwork at this point. Can you imagine a BA 777, AF 777, and a LH 340 all parked at the gorgeous up-to-date terminal at MSY (later KE and JL will start service to ICN and NRT respectively)? Its going to be pretty.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6251 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1796 times:
We're infamous now? Damn....impressive!
BA used to fly to MSY in 1982 with an L15...it routed LGW-MSY-MEX three times weekly. I'd love to see them back at some point.
Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1663 times:
British Airways will be out of San Diego till @ least 2005... Just about a month ago they still had 'BRITISH AIRWAYS' listed on the terminal sign over Harbor Drive but, now its gone. If they were coming back to SAN this year, I am sure they would have left it up there.
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12043 posts, RR: 42 Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1618 times:
I hope for MSP to get more flights to Europe, not necessarily BA, but anyone but NW. The only flights from MSP to Europe are operated on NW DC10s. Makes for a lot higher prices, compared to say ORD.
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25 EK345: Last time I was at SAN they still had the British Airways curbside sign (this was I am guessing about 2-3 weeks ago). Anyway it really sucks that BA p
26 Arsenal@LHR: What sort of people from the UK would fly to SJC? Tourists? All UK tourists go to LA/San Franscisco or some other attraction in California, 'San Jose'
27 Lhr001: New Orleans would suffer from the same thing as Orlando, Tampa, and San Diego... Low yields... As of late British Airways has not been all to happy wi
28 ConcordeBoy: Quick Bermuda-II overview: There can only be 29 city/gateways to LON Only 12 of them have permanent LHR status They [in most cases] can only be flown
29 Trvlr: Arsenal@LHR: I think BA doesn't really care if British tourists are unfamiliar with San Jose. The airline cares much more about business traffic on a
30 KZBA: San Jose has been courting BA a great deal these past few months, but we are not really looking to introduce new long haul cities right now. Truthfull
31 DeltaSFO: In addition American Airlines has been determined to have a stronger presence in the Bay Area. American resently aquired several new gates at San Fran
32 LambertMan: Lhr wrote, New Orleans would suffer from the same thing as Orlando, Tampa, and San Diego... Low yields... As of late British Airways has not been all
33 KZBA: TPA does have 5x weekly (except for Mon and Wed). PHX will be upgraded to a 744 for the upcoming summer season but lose service on Wednesdays. However
34 ConcordeBoy: Be interesting to see if BA ever gets anything smaller than a 772ER for LGW-USA runs... doesn't appear likely in the near-term, particularly since the
35 Rutankrd: Thick question as I know the answer myself but some mortals reading these points aren't Masters of Economics. Yeald = $/£/€ per passenger right ? S
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