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Are Bmibaby Nicer To Fly With Than Ryanair?  
User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Posted (10 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

Most of my low cost flights to date have been on LBA-DUB with Ryanair and all things considered (especially the price), I have been pretty pleased with them.

However, in a few days time I will be flying WW for the first time on their MAN-GVA route and wondered if anyone has flown both bmibaby and Ryanair and which you preferred?

Would have ultimately preferred to fly Jet2 over both of them but as I only had to pay £30 return incl taxes for flying with WW then there was no contest!

Any comments appreciated.




Like a fine wine, one gets better with age.
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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

I've flown both
MAN - DUB on Ryanair and EMA - AMS on bmibaby
Not much between them really as flights weren't that long but i preferred Bmibaby over Ryanair purely because the cabin crew seemed friendlier and service was better - even got some freebie food!

Mark

[Edited 2004-01-03 21:38:07]


Take a ride...fly across the sky
User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

Thanks Demoose.

I have just re-read my original post and before anyone mentions it, I know that Ryanair do not fly to GVA. I just mean't that I would choose Jet2 from LBA over any of the other LCC's had the prices been similar when I booked as I have been impressed with them previously.

Any more comparisons between WW and FR would be most appreciated.



Like a fine wine, one gets better with age.
User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Ofcourse the Cabin Crew on Baby are friendlier!! - I'm one of them!!!  Big grin

User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

Ahh maybe you were on my flight last summer  Wink/being sarcastic - i only saw one male member of cabin crew though, unlike your bigger brother/father Bmi where I ended up on an A320 flight with an all male crew. I reckon bmibaby could do with changing their uniform though, aren't they made of the material usually associated with a baby sleep suit!
I noticed that the crew do take the safety demo extremely seriously and will actively go up to passengers requesting their full attention.

Mark



Take a ride...fly across the sky
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

I think u may get seat allocation on Bmibaby.

User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

Watch out for a new uniform in the Spring, meant to be really nice!!! Yes you get seal allocation and we do take the demo serious, afterall it is for you comfort and safety!!  Big grin

User currently offlineBDRules From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 1501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Simon you were on my flight last year back from BRU to EMA.

I have flown FR to MMX, HHN x 2 and TRN. All flights were what you would expect for £20 inc taxes per destination to all destinations. Good but not overly friendly cabin crew.

bmibaby have been the best yet. I have tried Buzz, baby, Ryanair, Go, Easyjet and all goo but Go and bmibaby did stand out above the rest.

Regards

Stu


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

I've flown both, bmiBaby MUC-CWL-MUC, Ryanair a total of 23 flights throughout Europe. I enjoyed both airlines very much. BmiBaby offers flights to the "real" airports - however Ryanair fares were always very cheap, so it's okay to drive a little in order to get to/from the airport.
Seat assignment on bmiBaby is a nice feature, though - but on the other hand I never had problems to get my window seat on Ryanair.


User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

I have flown with FR many a time from CWL but that was only on the DUB route... FR Nearly always on time, ok service, ok planes... that's all I can say about FR.. they're OK!

On the other hand..

I have flown with WW from CWL to.. AGP, ALC, PMI, GVA, CDG, EDI, PIK and ORK... should be flying to PRG and TLS in February!

All my flights have departed either on time or departed earlier, the aircraft has always been very clean and well maintained, excellent service from the cabin crew and the planes.. well always been on the 733.. it's a nice enough aircraft a lot better than FR's 732's..

Is there any chance of WW getting some new planes?

Maybe the 737NG or A319..

Also..anyone know of any new routes with WW?

Regards..
Chris

P.S. Simon where are you based? Is it EMA, CWL, MAN or MME?


User currently offlineRyanairA320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2003, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 4990 times:


It depends what way you like to fly. I have never flown Bmibaby but I always fly Ryanair.

I prefer walking out to my plane so as I can take good pictures and appreciate the size and power of the aircraft.
I also like the fact that I can sit where I want.

I believe WW tell you where to sit. I know that in Dublin WW aircraft are always boarded by air bridge.

I have also found Ryanair to be the cheapest airline as I am flying from DUB-CRL(Brussels) return on wednesday for 2 nights and the entire return flight including tax is 12 euro
which is about 8 pound. Pretty cheap

Ryanair A320




Ryanair 'The Low Fares Airline' and now also 'The On-time Airline'
User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 4971 times:

bmibaby are taking delivery of 7 737-300's in the next few months, they are disposing of 5 737-500's. WW have got mixed flight reviews on Carsurvey http://www.carsurvey.org/air/airline_bmibaby.html.

Ryanair737


User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months ago) and read 4917 times:

To be honest, it depends on how many sectors the cabin crew on your flight have already done when you board the aircraft for your flight, what time they got up that morning, how much they love their job, and what kind of person they are.

The reason some people may come across rather less enthusiastic Ryanair CC is partly perhaps due to the fact that they have to fly 6 sectors a day - more than most other airlines. I fly a max of 4 sectors a day, and that can be difficult, especially with an early start, and say, a double Amsterdam flight from London (LON-AMS-LON-AMS-LON) - it's sometimes quite hard to keep smiling and be patient with rude customers on such flights; but if you can't take it, you shouldn't be in the job.

rgds


User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

EGFFBMI............. I'm based at EMA.

BDRules............... You remember me from your flight?? Scarey!! lol

Yes, we are getting some more 737-300's, one of which is parked at EMA now, an ex-GB Airways aircraft. The -500's are coming to the end of their lease, two are going to the new airline to based out of Coventry.

I flew one the old Ryanair 737-200's from BHX-DUB and was impressed how quite and smooth the old aircraft was!! Although the rush for the seats was a little to be desired!!

Working for Baby is good - get to work with loadsa woman!!!  Big grin


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

bmibaby is nasty, nasty business - as far as EMA is concerned, come back BMI / BMIR, all is forgiven, then at least I can give up on flying BA ex BHX. Hopefully the BRU route sets a trend at EMA and fairly soon we'll be back to real-airline sanity on other routes too.

I suspect that Ryanair is probably nastier than baby, although this is just perception based on media, etc, as I've never had the misfortune to have to fly with them.

Andy


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19212 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

"I suspect that Ryanair is probably nastier than baby, although this is just perception based on media."

It's funny how misinformed you are, for Ryanair frequently wins 'best airline in the UK' awards. For an example, check-out a recent thread in which the second-place winner was discussed.

Contrary to what is often said in the media, Ryanair is a superb airline - and I'll remain loyal to them forever. If you just want cheap prices and not all the fancy nonsense which surrounds flying, then they're just fine. Even when I'm a barrister (won't be too long now), I won't shell out money to fly any other carrier (except U2), except when I need to.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Andy - What a load of crap!!!

The introduction of Baby and Easyjet at EMA have attracted thousands of more people to fly from EMA. We get lots of daytrippers who can now enjoy a day in places like Amsterdam, Edinburgh whereas before it was not possible. Both airlines from EMA are successful. Speaking as Baby Crew, we are mostly busy, especially this Xmas and New Year.
As regards to the BRU route with BMI Regional, form what I hear, the loads are very poor!

So, Andy, if you want to pay more and fly BA then that's fine, I wont miss you on any of my flights!!!


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Sadly, the point most people miss when proclaiming the cheap fares offered by the likes of bmibaby, easyJet and Ryanair is that quite often full service airlines will sell you a ticket just as cheaply, and include the frills. The mystique built up by these carriers is that they're cheaper - people think of these carriers when they want a cheap ticket, but quite often they'd get as good or a better deal from a real airline but they just don't look because there's a perception built up that real airlines are expensive. Why pay for crap service and have to fork out money for the extras, when another airline will supply it all for the same price?

For example, I fly to GVA usually at least once a month. Many times I have been able to get a seat on BA ex BHX at fairly short notice (one week or less) for the same or a lower price than I could get a seat on U2 or WW from EMA. Occasionally BA wants more, but on balance overall I'd say I'm on the up-side sticking to BA. Why should I pay for nasty service when I can get better for the same price? Another example just before BMI pulled out of EMA. I needed to go to DUB at short notice, and BMI BUSINESS CLASS out of EMA was cheaper than Ryanair crap-class out of BHX.

By all means keep giving U2, WW or Ryanair your money, but the canny buyer can often get better service for the same or lower price. Where price is fairly equivalent, I'll take the inclusive butty, gin and tonics and lounges thank you.

Andy

[Edited 2004-01-05 00:43:50]

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19212 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Andy - What a load of crap!!!" Couldn't have put it better myself!  Wink/being sarcastic

There is nothing wrong with low-cost airlines. Sure, some people might not like them for whatever reason (like the silly and often unfounded way they are perceived because of the media), but they are fine. Afterall, if FR was so terrible, why would it be the most profitable airline in Europe? That itself says enough.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19212 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

"I fly to GVA usually at least once a month. Many times I have been able to get a seat on BA ex BHX at fairly short notice (one week or less) for the same or a lower price than I could get a seat on U2 or WW from EMA."

But you should expect that: low-cost airlines are at their cheapest when you book as far in advance as possible, NOT when you book a week prior to travel. Accordingly, I am not surprised that BA are cheaper. However, I suspect that the LCCs would be less expensive if you were to book months in advance, because their prices reflect how full the aircraft is at the time of booking, whereas BA prices probably do not.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

Simon Cooper - see above. bmibaby is the worst of the lot as far as low fare deception is concerned. I used to fly out of EMA a lot - often once a week. I know what fares I was paying to destinations like DUB, GLA, CDG with fairly late booking (less than one week), and I know what baby is charging now. Rarely is baby cheaper now than BMI was before. All that's happened is that BMI are now running services out of EMA at similar fares to what they were doing before, but they're providing customers with FAR less value for their money. In any other line of business, it'd be called a con.

Andy


User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

Yeah service is good, all the 'freebies' and all that, but let's face it, FR, WW, EZY, Jet2 and all the rest, operate on relatively short routes, routes where if you want something then it's there for you to buy, but some people are happy with just a cheaper ticket, without all the extra's. I hate to say it (cos of my bar commision) but most people bring their own food and drink on board, so atleast they are happy!!

I'm all for low cost airlines, but I believe there's room for 'full fair' airlines like BA too!


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

But you should expect that: low-cost airlines are at their cheapest when you book as far in advance as possible, NOT when you book a week prior to travel.

Fine, but don't try to convince me that bmibaby or Ryanair or easyJet provide better value for money than does BA, because with my style of travel that suggestion is broadly complete and utter rubbish.

Just to refute what you say to some degree... When bmiBaby were operating EMA-GVA daily last year, one time I had to travel baby wanted £216 return EMA-GVA, whereas BA wanted £122 BHX-GVA. I have lots of contacts at EMA and their figures for the flights I would have taken were 32 pax outbound, 43 return on a 735. Tell me that's full... NOT. BA had 39 out, 48 back on a 50 seat CRJ.

Andy


User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Andy - from what I see above, is that people are quite happy with Baby, Ryanair etc, except you!!!! The passengers I fly, are more than happy, infact yesterday I flew someone to ALC who paid just £24!!

Like I said Andy, I wont miss you on MY flights, you stick with BA mate!!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19212 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

"I have lots of contacts at EMA and their figures for the flights I would have taken were 32 pax outbound, 43 return on a 735."

I could, of course, say that those figures were made up, considering I neither know these "contacts" nor have the evidence to prove these figures. But this is a friendly discussion and you're a friendly chap, so I'll just take your word for it and have another pint.

"I'm all for low cost airlines, but I believe there's room for 'full fair' airlines like BA too!"

Definitely! That's my belief, too, because there's several market segments to the overall travel market. Wouldn't it be sad if we, as travellers, had no choice over the level of 'frills' we wanted?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
25 Simon Cooper : Pe@rson.......... you get what you pay for, that's my opinion!! Some of us, dont have money to splash around!! Regarding the Baby GVA flights, the fig
26 Skymonster : Actually, my figures are genuine. None the less, those GVA figures illustrate why bmiBaby ended up pulling off daily EMA-GVA, possibly partly influenc
27 Skymonster : Our GVA flights have always been busy and just yeaterday it was full!! No they haven't... You may well be able to fill flights now they're operated on
28 Post contains images Simon Cooper : Andy, mate, get your fact right before quoting such rubbish! I work for Baby you don't which means, I know what's happening!! Look, you are happy with
29 Post contains images Pe@rson : Now, now chaps! Let's not fight about it. After all, we won't change the way we feel about it. Relax.
30 Capital146 : Skymonster, I think that you are sadly deluded and being a tad offensive by saying that Ryanair flights are full of passengers from council estates. I
31 Post contains images Pe@rson : "I think that you are sadly deluded and being a tad offensive by saying that Ryanair flights are full of passengers from council estates." Well-said,
32 Post contains images Skymonster : Pe@rson said: I would ALWAYS travel on U2, FR, etc., than BA and the like, so long as I could get to my destination. I really dislike paying more than
33 Simon Cooper : Skymonster.......you get real!!!! "but having spent nine "happy" years working at Donington Hall in the past, unless something very radical has happen
34 Post contains images EGFF : Only one winner here for me, i've flown both airlines a number of times and Ryanair wins hands down. On the whole, much more friendlier, good service
35 Aerokiwi : My experiences on Ryanair have generally been unpleasant. Unfriendly crew, don't give a toss if you miss your flight (Easyjet puts you on the next one
36 Pe@rson : "I'm probably as tight fisted as you are, and all I'm saying is that on MANY occasions I've found that when buying within a one to two week timeframe
37 Post contains images United4ever : "I don't come from a council estate yet I would ALWAYS travel on U2, FR, etc., than BA and the like..." And I DO live on a council estate, but I nearl
38 BDRules : Simon i can say from experience that YOUR flights are always a pleasure. I had 1 from BRU last year and the flight was almost full both ways. bmibaby
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