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MEA On This Forum - Most Posts/size Of Fleet?  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2406 posts, RR: 21
Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

I am absolutely bewildered at the mumber of posts on this forum concerning MEA. I think of all the airlines discussed here, MEA must be the one that has the most posts per number of planes in its fleet. What's behind that (other than the Lebanese's interest and pride in everything from their country and some very active posters like BA and AirxLiban and MEA310 and some others)?

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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Algeria, joined May 2002, 13937 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Mozart; some anti-Arab feelings on your part ? whenever Emirates and Qatar Airways may be the "airlines of the season" those Arab airlines who really count in the longer term are Royal Air Maroc, Air Algérie, Egypt Air, MEA and Iraqi Airways. To BA+AirLiban+MEA310 I would recommend to try http://forum.airwise.com for some change ...

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19612 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

This is a website for all to discuss whatever they like so long as it's related to civil aviation. If the posters from Lebanon or elsewhere wish to discuss MEA, then fair enough. If you don't like reading the posts, then don't. There's always the option of simply ignoring such threads, instead of complaining.

"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Lol I don't think this was an anti-arab sentiment from his part, all he meant was that he was astonished of the number of posts COMPARED to the SIZE of the airline in question, i.e, MEA.
It's a bit like if I was astonished of the number of 744's owned by SQ in regards to the size of Singapore (example only). That wouldn't mean that I'm anti-Singaporean.
Just my two Eurocents.
BTW : Mozart, te laisse pas emmerder Big grin

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User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4052 times:


Pe@rson has in fact expressed my point of view,it's an open forum for all of us to discuss our points of interest as long as they are related to civil aviation.
Personally speaking,I'm always excited to know more about MEA's news and activities.Imagine if you were in my shoe;your national carrier was once in a "Golden Era" when the war erupted...(same excuse again & again,right?)and now is trying to get back to that glorious period. MEA is like a new born airline for us,unlike lets say Air France in your case,which is a great airline,with a known network,fleet.... not much news to be discussed on it.
And by the way,you have started an MEA thread yourself  Smile/happy/getting dizzy!!


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6537 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4041 times:

I for one don't mind the number of threads regarding MEA - I think it's an inte airline with a very bright future ahead of them. Not to mention that I too am a bit amazed that they've been able to recover after such a devastating civil war.

User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1928 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4019 times:

We just can't contain our excitement  Smile

In fact, it's not just about MEA. As kids, we grew up with images of war and distruction and kept hearing from our parents how glorious our country once was. Now we are experiencing a rebirth and MEA is a part of it.

Also, I don't see any bad intention in Mozart's posting.

Best regards to everyone.

User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Mozart - Your post is a bit of a paradox - You comment about the large number of MEA posts, yet you just posted one yourself. btw, this "fleet size to post ratio" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard (no offense). I wish other smaller airlines would get more attention here - there is so much more to civil aviation than the mega-carriers. I for one enjoy reading the MEA posts, as well others that interest me.

FYI: MEA has a long rich history - It survived a 15 years of intense civil war and never stopped flying, even when half of its fleet was destroyed.

User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2406 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

Oh my god!! I've been COMPLETELY misunderstood!! No anti-Arab or anti-MEA feelings whatsoever, quite the opposite!

I am a GREAT MEA enthusiast! My wife is Lebanese, and whenever I come off the net and tell her news about MEA she asks me whether there are any other airlines discussed on this forum as well - which made me realise how many MEA threads there are given the size of the airline. I have just returned from five days in Lebanon, loved it and brough back plenty of questions on flying there.

Actually, I participate in most MEA threads myself, and actually I started a topic myself just 2 days ago (on why I had seen an A320 at BEY although I had read in previous posts that they had been returned). So I am happy for all the MEA threads around, can't get enough of them.

BA, AirxLiban and all you other guys, please witness for me!

And as for the anti-Arab: read this reply I posted to the "MEA to join Skyteam in 2004" thread a couple of days, and I am sure you would rather perceive me as Arab-friendly: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1324860/6/

I hope that sets my reputation straight again - I think what caused the confusion was the use of the word "bewildered", it should have been something more like "amazed".

UTA_flyinghigh, merci, mais je comprends que ma question a pu etre mal interpretee...

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4578 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

It also amazed me.... MEA isn't a normal airline, even while they fly Airbuses now they still have a place in my heart because it was the final operator of pax 707/720s , and they did it safely and stylish given the circumstances. Wonder why you hardly read threads like that about Austrian Airlines or China Southern. Maybe just less people are inspired by them but if tomorrow an active community starts some Austrian threads I wouldn't mind and casually follow them if they are of an interesting level.

nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3936 times:


I never thought your post was anti-Arab or anything offensive at all,&btw,I understand french,so quit your communication with UTA_flyinghigh  Laugh out loud!!


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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2406 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3923 times:


'course you do, so many (if not most) Lebanese do, but his encouragement felt good. Gosh, I felt bad about that misunderstanding...

User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1752 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3894 times:


Don't worry about some people say. I agree with you actually. Given MEA's size, you wonder why it gets mentioned so many times. But you have to realize that for the most part, it's only a few people that discuss MEA.

MEA and BEY are on a huge growth path. Unlike EK, MEA does not have the resources to absorb losses, so we are watching what the MEA management does step by step.

User currently onlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2291 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

yes, but the problem is that MANAGEMENT ISN'T LISTENING TO US! el-Hout has no airline background. he may be able to slash costs, but generate revenue? the airline business is a complicated beast, and taking on EK is dancing with the devil.

since we have so many MEA aficcionados here, can someone please recommend a new livery? that M-E-A in RED-GREEN-BLUE is just awful. love the cedar, though.

User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2406 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

What's wrong with the M-E-A in red green blue? I actually like it, and I agree the Cedar is super-classy. Really, these planes look "appetising", i.e. one gets a pleasure to board them.

User currently offlineMEA321 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Everyone has their own opinion about MEA's livery. I definitely like the current livery, however MEA could make their planes look a lot nicer if they wanted to. I think that this current livery is the most economical solution for their current situation. Airplane paint jobs cost a lot!


User currently offlineMarcopolo747 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3809 times:


Some people just use the forums to discharge their frustration prejudice and anger, the best thing is just to ignore them. No anti-anything in your comments, I'm sure.

MEA is getting so much attention because Lebanon is coming back to be the lovely country it has always been before the civil unrest. MEA was among the best airlines and to see it grow back to one of the leading airlines in the region is a real pleasure to all aviation enthusiasts.

J'espére revoir vos commentaires ici !

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4536 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

since I have also been noticed by mozart as an "active poster" i would like to give my 30 lebanese lira.

I don't accuse Mozart of having any anti anything feelings. I think it is a good thing that MEA is getting such attention on the forums, but as previously mentioned, it is the same handful of members contributing. Myself, OD720, BA, MEA321,MEA310, Yegbey01 and others that have escaped my head somehow.

Basically MEA is an airline with a history that few other airlines can relate to. During the war, MEA had to make several operational moves in order to keep the air service going, such as moving headquarters to Orly, refueling planes in Damascus or Amman, using Beirut Airport as a hotel etc etc. Despite the fact that other air carriers had pulled out months earlier when they thought it was unsafe, MEA still managed to provide safe air flights going, adjusting schedules to accomodate for changes. Even when they could not use Beirut Airport , MEA resorted to other measures such as using the infamous "Halate" airstrip.

In the midst of 15 year long civil war which saw Lebanon reduced to an unrecognizable shade of her old self, MEA managed to survive, doing what was necessary to provide air service despite the fact that the country was in war, the airport was hardly usable and Israeli fighter jets destroyed a portion of the fleet.

Despite all this, MEA survived and came out on top. To quote Wassim Chemaitelli: More than airline, MEA became a symbol for a country that refuses to die, like the ever-green cedar of its flag.

After the war ended, MEA operated the 707s and 720s safely until 1997 or 1998 when they were finally replaced by A320/1s. For managing to survive the way that they did, MEA deserves our respect. It is for all these reasons that I have a particular affection for MEA, in addition to the fact that MEA and I both had to experience the civil war and so we have a relationship in this manner as well. This is the case for many people also I am sure.

So, in short, there is much reason to respect Middle East Airlines and be excited about its future. To think that this airline, which as little as 10 years ago no one could have ever imagined it becoming a world player, is now in a position to expand, adding new planes and destinations is really something to be quite excited about.

Regarding the livery, yeah its not the greatest livery ever but it is simple and effective. Let's face it, as much as we may have liked the old livery, when the 707s were eventually retired and a new chapter in MEA's history was started they could not have kept the same livery.

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