FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9215 times:
Does it really cause that much of an inconvenience? Honestly... You'd think that with the way people on here bitch about how much they want their IFE they wouldn't mind watching all 200 mind-numbing channels for the whole flight...
I'm sure that if there were a few passengers in the back of the aircraft by the FA's they wouldn't have a problem at all. Especially if the FA's could see that the passengers weren't Middle Eastern. The majority of FA's are so laid back, but only tell passengers to do stuff (ie: sit down, not congregate in the back, etc.) if they feel uneasy for whatever reason.
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9164 times:
Yes, Trident, we've all gone mad. Shit, man...if it saves one life or calms the nerves of even one fearful flyer not to see people stand around in a group together, is it all that bad. Are you so opposed to that?
Everyone seems so unbelievably self-centered when it comes to anything having to do with security. If it inconveniences you in the least, then it's obviously just another "ridiculous idea" that doesn't need to be in place beacuse it prevents you from hanging around the lavs with 9 of your friends for half an hour, or causes you to remove your shoes and go through security a second time.
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9151 times:
Especially if the FA's could see that the passengers weren't Middle Eastern.
Quite a strong accusation... So people from the ME are bad and evil when some of them are chatting with eachother? It's even in their culture to come together to chat.
Remember that an Islamist is not bad at all, we are talking about the extremists over here. And the prove that those fundamentalists can not be compared with the normal Islamist is that, during the recent bomb blasts, a lot of Islamists have died.
And when you think you are smart with saying that ME people may not gather together in the galley, the terrorists will be even smarter to put people with a non-ME look on the aircrafts if they really want to do something.
Trident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9114 times:
FLY777UAL - what an outburst! The reason I think we've all gone mad is that if you think about it logically what possible benefit can this ridiculous rule bring? If there are a group of terrorists on board it's already far too late to save anyone. Having a rule that prevents them from congregating anywhere is just plain stupid.
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9081 times:
How surprising this comes from 'the country of freedom'!
Freedom indeed, but when this goes on, cameras will be placed everywhere to keep an eye on everyone; when you do something 'suspicious' in an airport you will be arrested etc etc, all this in 'free' world...
Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9072 times:
To be very honest and not being able to get into detail. Yes that rule could make or break an incident. It is really not the silly when you know all the facts of things that are going on. I do wish I could tell you more. But please trust me on this one.
SWAFA30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9067 times:
At WN we have been doing this for months. We handle it very simply. You can stand around in the back galley, what little there is of it, all you want. You just can't stand in front of the cockpit door/forward galley area. It is a pain to continue to have to harp on it, people naturally want to form lines for the forward lav or stand in the galley/entry area to stretch on long flights. However, when we explain that the security of the flight deck must be protected at all costs and people milling around in that area make this difficult, they seem much more willing to comply. As is the case with all regulations, you tend to get much more compliance if a logical explanition accompanies the rule as a opposed to an arbitrary "because we said so".
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9065 times:
Not a strong accusation at all.
Ever heard the expression "one bad apple spoils the whole barrell"? That's exactly what's happened thanks to Mohammed Atta, etc.
I'm not just an ignorant American, Freddy, and I know thanks to common sense, as well as daily interaction with many Middle Easterners, that an Islamist is not bad at all.
All I'm trying to say is that Flight Attendants are unbelievably good judges of character and behavior onboard. If they smell anything wrong, then they'll be all over it. Middle Eastern passengers attract a certain kind of attention to themselves no matter what. It's just the whole stigma from 9/11. If there are 2 Middle Eastern passengers onboard a flight filled with 98 other WASPs, then they're obviously going to attract some attention. It's the same as when you see a hick walking through Saks or Nieman Marcus. Would be like seeing Donald Trump shopping for clothes at Walmart.
Of course the terrorists would be smart to put people who don't look ME on the planes...and I'm sure they've thought about that before. Like I said earlier, FA's are very good with behavior. If you don't look the part, you can sure tell that you're going to act the part. I doubt that the hijackers on 9/11 were calm individuals...not hard to suspect that shit might be going down.
AlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9043 times:
Very sad if this is indeed true..
I believe that all security should be taken care of before the flight takes off...I guess some people here would rather have all passengers tied down to their seats during flight, never speaking, walking, doing anything...remain quiet and docile..wouldn't the airlines love that??
If I cant get up during a 14 hour flight and stretch my legs and chat with friends..then it has gone to far...
Its not about being "self-centered" as some have mentioned...its about being Human!
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9013 times:
Get real. Being human is fine. Getting up on a 14 hour flight is fine. They're not chaining you to your seat, the announcement is just meant so that you and a gaggle of other people don't get up and chit chat for half an hour. If you get up with a couple of other people and talk for a few minutes, that's fine.
Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8997 times:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Once again the crew is stuck in the middle. We can only do our job as perscribed by the F.A.A. and T.S.A. Also, to do our best to protect everyone on board to the best of our ability using the tools we have.
AlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8930 times:
It is amazing how easily Airline Staff is offended when passengers (customers) are upset by more and more stupid rules.
Don't get me wrong - I am 100 percent for strict airline security before and during the flight - however this rule is just stupid. If I want to stand up during the flight with my parents, kids, etc...why should that be suspicious? I mean I was already cleared by TSA..CAPS, strip searches, etc...why is there so much suspicion in the air for petes sake!
I know that being a Flight Attendant is no piece of cake..and nowhere near the job it used to be...but FLYGUYCLT..realistically what can the F/A's do in case of a hijacking??? You guys get self defense training? If not I think that should be part of the training..curently against a group of terrorists you guys are toast.
Bottom line - terrorists plan - if they REALLY want to hijack a plane they will train to get around the "safeguards" and just do it.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8900 times:
9-11 will happen again, I can guarantee it. It will happen one day every year. But the tragedies of 9-11-01 will Never happen again as long as security is tight. 9-11 will happen this year as it has in 02, 03.
Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8885 times:
There are lots of things I and my co workers can do. I have not seen anywhere that YOU and YOUR children can't get up and stretch. Even walk around the airplane a little. But if you get up, and other passengers get up, and start a social hour in one part of the aircraft. Then that is what the rule is for. Make sense now ?
Thanks for your side. I hope you can understand the other side.