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767 "The Crater Maker?"  
User currently offline7574EVER From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 478 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

I've only flown on a 767 twice, but both times I thought we blew a tire on landing. Both were VERY hard. Have I just had bad luck on 767's or is this common on the 67's and why? Can anyone shed some light?


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4490 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Regardless of what some people on this board will tell you, any aircraft in the WORLD--regardless of manufacturer or model--is capable of making a "greaser" landing. "Firm" landings, from a passenger standpoint, are really not indicative of anything, since they really don't have any way of knowing why the landing was so hard.

I've had great landings and some real stinkers in the 767. Aircraft type makes no difference. I guess you just got "unlucky", if you could call it that.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

I have been on lots of 67's and I have only had 1 hard landing, all the other times they have been smooth

User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Probably just bad luck, Ive had very good, normal and very hard landings on all the aircraft Ive flown. Could have been the pilots flared too high and it dropped a bit, could have been bad Wx and in such case a rough TD is a bit safer than greasing it in...

hope this helps a little  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

I will say that the smoothest landings I've EVER had are on the 744 and the 772 and 3. Greaser greaser greaser.....

UAL747


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

"I guess you just got "unlucky", if you could call it that.

Not from my perspective. I just love those harder landings. . .kinda wakes people up to the fact that flying isn't all "smooth 'n nice" like some oblivious pax seem to be these days. As mentioned else where, just because you have a rough landing. . .doesn't mean it was bad at all.

My one 762 experience: smooth landing.
My one 763 experience: hard landing.



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

When I was on the Spirit of Delta (762), it landed like an old clunker.


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4490 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

While many factors could contribute to a hard landing, I will say maybe you got a PF who had been flying his last few trips on a 757. Entirely possible.


I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

I had one rough landing in a 763 once, we hit really hard and bounced back up in the air before coming back down again and coming to a stop. It was a little freaky. All other landings have been smooth though, even the ones done in less than ideal conditions

User currently offlinePetrouchka From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

My one 744 experience: rough landing, hard braking and reverse thrust.
My two DC-10 experiences: surprisingly smooth and easy.
My two 772 experiences: smooth as silk, barely used reverse thrust on one of them.
My myriad 737, 757, and A320 experiences: all over the map, from floating down like a feather to dropping on the runway like a ton of bricks.

All different airlines (WN, UA, NW, CO, etc.) and different airports. I think it's just "luck of the draw," so to speak.


User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

After over 10000 landings I can tell you with absolute certainity, that the touchdown has nothing to do with whether a landing is good or bad. On speed, on center line, in the touchdown zone = good landing. I'm currently flying the 767 and I grease about half of them and the other half I don't. And the thing is that I do the same thing every time.

User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

I experienced a pretty hard landing on an Ansett 767-200. It was only a one-off and all my other 767 landings have been smooth. I did read though that the 727 was one a/c type that was particularly hard to land for some reason, had to do with the centre of pressure on the 727 wing or something on the flare.

User currently onlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Well i was on a 763ER from YVR to australia via HNL... when we landed in HNL it was like "we landed?" and in Sydney it was same a/c same pilot and he just slammed the thing down as if there was a fire up his ass...


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineC17Glbm From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

I'm a USAF pilot so I guess any landing is a smooth greaser to me. However, I've noticed that mostly the B763 seems to hit the numbers a little harder when the pilots don't pay too much attention to their speed. But that can be said about generally any aircraft. Also, I've experienced that worn down runway surfaces at some of our "beautiful" US airports are becoming the determining factor as far as not so smooth landings are concerned. I too believe you experience was coincidental.



User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

Any landing you can walk away from...............  Big grin

I've had good landings in the 763ER.... but then, a friend was flying it, so I had to tell him otherwise to give him a hard time...... Big grin



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User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

I've never heard that 767's are prone to hard landings. If they did, I'm sure we'd hear about 767's blowing tires on a regular tire.
I can't recall a single hard landing with a 767, and I've flown 767's several times
FYI, my hardest landing was on a NW 727 coming into Detroit. Like someone said, that really caught ones attention!



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User currently offlineC17Glbm From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

I've never had any hard B767 landings either. Even though we flew in quite some heavy snow and wind on our final approach. The hardest landing I recall was Phoenix on a LH A340.

User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2032 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4033 times:
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I've only had one "hard landing", or at least what I'd consider to be one. It was on a United Express (ACA) CRJ into SBN. I've also been on 2 other Delta CRJ's, and they were both fairly smooth, I think it was just bad luck that both of yours weren't the most smooth landings. Big grin

User currently offlineSWACLE From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

CanadianNorth-

How could it be the same pilot landing in both HNL and australia? Wouldn't that put him/her just a tad over the 8 hour flying time limit? Or are the rules different up north?

Don



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User currently offlinePaddy From Taiwan, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

DIA:
Not from my perspective. I just love those harder landings. . .

I second that notion! As for the 763, I've experienced some greasers and some slammers, as a passenger and also while spotting. The slammers are far more entertaining in both cases! For those of us who still take childish delight in flying, dramatic take-offs and landings can't be beat!


User currently offlineC17Glbm From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Paddy

How right you are!!!!!  Big grin


User currently offlineC17Glbm From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Looking at some of the MD-11 touchdowns, this bird seems to be a magnet for rough landings.

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

FWIW...the smoothest and best landing I ever experienced in my 30 years of flying was on a SpanAir 767-300ER at MAD. July 14, 2001. I'll never forget it.

Likewise, I've had some hard landings on a 763 also, as well as other aircraft. Whoever said it's all the "luck of the draw" is exactly right.


User currently offlineSkip7966 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Any time the plane can be used again, it's a good landing! I've had landings ranging from so smooth I didn't wake up until we were stopped at the gate to so rough I had to change my pants at the first restroom. Good thing I travel carry-on. LOL

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Greasers are not necessarily "good" landings. Pilots attempting greasers may land long and subsequently use more reverse thrust and braking than what a sticker landing would require. This also brings into question which is the "safer" landing.....


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25 Mlsrar : Smoothest landing in my 24 year life was DTW-FCO in February of '01...that classic -10 sailed down the runway, and only idle T/R was used... I've had
26 C17Glbm : Delta seems to be the #1 candidate for rough touchdowns. I recently experienced a landing that could've knocked your brains out. Not to mention the ha
27 N757KW : I have only been on DL 767s. All three types operated, 200, 300, and 400. All I can say is, all the landings were hard. No other DL plane seems to hav
28 ArmitageShanks : My experience with 767's (about 10 flights) is they are just like any other plane some hard some smooth depends....
29 B747-4U3 : I have had 2 hard landings on the 67. The first one was in strong winds so I guess the pilot wanted to get the plane on the ground asap before a cross
30 IMissPiedmont : If the runway is wet or ice is possible, I want a hard landing. Get those tires firmly on the ground and let all the whiners complain, at least they d
31 Lan_Fanatic : I've flown 12 times in 767-300s (AA and LanChile) Only one hard landing, in MIA.
32 Post contains images Flyguyclt : When the A320 first made it's appearance in the U.S. you should have been on those. It was like a Pogo stick. Bong Bong . BONG! Especially in DCA. Saf
33 Patrick_L : It also depends where you land. Take some RWY`s at FRA and everything seems hard - as they are bumby and rough from all those 74's landing and landin
34 Post contains images AirJamPanAm : Paddy I'm with you.. make em hard, and just before slamming it home, give us a lil crab angle and wobble the wings a bit! Just kidding, but I like a l
35 NG737PSR : I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but yes the B767-200 in particular does appear to land quite heavily - I think it is due in part to the
36 HlywdCatft : **When I was on the Spirit of Delta (762), it landed like an old clunker.** I must have had the same pilot as you. I flew that plane DTW-ATL back in J
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