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Pilot Serving Himself Coffee...midflight.  
User currently offlineJmets18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 178 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

so yesterday i flew ROC-ATL on a CRJ70, and at about the halfway point of our flight, the pilot walked out of the cockpit, into the bathroom, and then served himself a cup of coffee and chatted with the flight attendants. i thought the tsa said that once the cockpit door was closed, it was not to be re-opened. i know this doesn't make sense for longer flights where there are multiple crews...so can someone please explain to me what in fact the law states. if in fact there even is such thing. just found it a little odd, that's all.

thanks

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User currently offlineC17Glbm From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

I don't exactly know the laws that have benn added, changed, etc.
However, there was a time where each pilot on short haul and domestic flights was allowed 5 minutes out of the flightdeck.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Maybe he had his weapon hidden!
 Nuts

Michael/SE



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User currently offlinePiedmontGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

The pilot can leave the flight deck for long enough to go to the bathroom. I mean, there's no lav in the cockpit, ya know??

Visiting with the F/A is not included in the "time to go to the bathroom" thing. To say a few words is OK, but not an actual visit.

Let me ask, while he was talking with the F/A did anyone else go to the lav? If so, he might have been waiting for that person to leave the lav and return to his seat before he opened to cockpit door to re-enter it. Just a thought on the matter.


User currently offlineAirOne From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

On a Comair flight between CVG and DCA the pilot went out to go the the bathroom and the flight attendant took his seat at the controls. THen he got himself a drink then she came out and he went back in.

I thought that was wierd.

AirOne


User currently offlineKLM777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

A pilot is also just a human and so he/she needs to visit the bathroom from time to time. I therefore think they cannot keep the door shut all the time.

Kind regards,

Jeroen

[Edited 2004-01-05 20:49:14]


Every landing is a controlled crash
User currently offlineMarcJet66 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

If this law is applied to all pilots and all revenue aircraft in US territory, it just shows how paranoid a Government can be. Maybe someone could just walk in to the cockpit and hijack the plane. But it didn't happen. What is all the security at the airports for? Why to we have to go to a strip mode at the airports and them not have the captain walking by and talking to the pax as in the old times??
Are we getting to far or is it really happening out there?



Marcos
User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4794 times:
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You only have multiple crews on flights of 8-10 hours plus depending on the airline. Don't think anyone expects flight crew not to go to the toilet or drink for that length of time!

The flighdeck door will be regularly opened - the cabin crew are supposed to offer the flighdeck crew drinks every so often to combat the negative effects of dehydration. Many airlines still have crew food even on short flights, the door will have to be opened for this. And if the flightcrew need the toilet, again the door will have to be opened.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

My knowledge comes from observation on my many United and US Airways flights. So it's observation, likely not the regulation.

On United flights with a two person cockpit, when the captain or first officer leaves the flight deck to use the facilities, two flight attendants go up front to the galley/lav area in front of the locked door, they block the aisle with a food cart. Once this is done, the pilot or first officer exits, one of the two flight attendants then enters the cockpit. When the lav visit is finished, the FA in the flight deck exits and the pilot/first officer reenters. The FA remaining in the galley/lav area stands behind the food cart, watching the aisle and no passenger is allowed to enter the area while this procedure is underway. I assume this is done so the remaining pilot doesn't have to get up to open the door or for security reasons they want two crew on the flight deck at all times. I've never seen a pilot or first officer linger after he/she finishes the lav visit.


User currently offlineJmets18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

PiedmontGirl,

no one else used the bathroom while he was visiting with the flight attendant. he was onlying talking with her for like 2 minutes.

obviously people need to go to the bathroom...


User currently offlineC17Glbm From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Crosswind
"You only have multiple crews on flights of 8-10 hours plus depending on the airline. Don't think anyone expects flight crew not to go to the toilet or drink for that length of time!"


This is what I thought until recently being on board a transatlantic flight of a US southern based airline. During the entire flight the flightdeck door did not once open and after landing, I visited the cockpit and pretty much saw the pilots heading for the lav. The cockpit itself was trashed with bottles of water, food, blankets and pillows that apparently had been taken into the flightdeck before pushback. I then asked the pilots why they couldn't receive food or drinks during the flight or also not use the lav and they informed me that their airline's current policy prohibited them from opening the door after pushback.
Somehow odd. What do they want them to do??? Pee in their pants  Big grin


User currently offlinePiedmontGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

AirOne:

On a Comair flight between CVG and DCA the pilot went out to go the the bathroom and the flight attendant took his seat at the controls. THen he got himself a drink then she came out and he went back in.

She didn't take his seat at the controls. She stepped into the cockpit and waited for him to get back. She was standing there to unlock the door so he could get back in. The alternative would be for the other pilot to have to get up out of his seat, look out the peephole, and let the pilot back into the cockpit. It works better and easier to have the F/A do that little door opening chore.

Lots of people think the F/A is sitting in the co-pilot's seat at the controls when s/he goes in there.  Smile That little dance looks kind of funny when you don't know what's going on.


User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Some of you folks out there really do think airline employees are not human!! How long can you hold it? Of course they are allowed to use the facitlites.



Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlinePiedmontGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Jmets18:

no one else used the bathroom while he was visiting with the flight attendant. he was onlying talking with her for like 2 minutes.

That's fine. He went to the lav, got coffee, and exchanged a few words with the F/A. Not a big deal.


User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

The FD is not a jail  Big grin

Kimberly.


User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Kimberly,

But sometimes we F/A's would like it to be.


hehehe

 Smile

Safe Flying !



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

I have seen different routines on different airlines, and even on different types of planes within one airline. For example, on a CO ERJ from MSP to EWR last month, the F/A entered the cockpit while one of the pilots went to use the lavatory. However, on CO 757s from EWR to LIM and back last summer, whenever one of the pilots left the cockpit, the other was left alone. Upon returning, the one who had left would pick up the intercom and say a word or two (presumably some sort of password), and the door would open. Can the door be unlocked from the pilots' seats on the 757? That was my guess, since it didn't look like the seated pilot had to get up in order to unlock the door, but I'm sure there are crewmembers here who know more about this...


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineUngoMongo From Denmark, joined Aug 2001, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Last night I flew to Copenhagen from Kaliningrad. The pilot went to the restroom and then chatted with the flight attendants. Before he passed me, I asked nicely, if I could see the flightdeck? Sure, come along... I went out there, and he offered me the jump seat while landing at CPH. That was cool  Smile So next time, if a crew from the flightdeck walk past you, ask him gently.

Cheers



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User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

FOX:

And we crew members are not saying a word !

Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineJmets18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

ok, ok....come on now. i wasn't meaning they were supposed to be locked up in there. you see all these new rules on cnn and everything, so i was just curious. when people gotta go, people gotta go!

User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Jmets18:

Thank You !

Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Fair enough, Flyguyclt.  Smile


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineJmets18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

and if anyone is curious...it was a comair flight.

i wasn't overly concerned by any means. but the look on some peoples faces was of utter surprise. that's why i thought i'd pose the question on here.


User currently offlineMarcJet66 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

AA7573E

Thank you for being so light on me. As a matter of fact I am a British Citizen for the last 12 years, where I am living at the moment. I was lucky enough to be born in a country where people doesn't seen to harm other. That's why maybe we don't have terrorists trying to knock down our skyscrapers.
I understand pretty well what is going on in the world and maybe the thick skull here is you who doesn't use nice words to direct yourself and opinions.
I've been flying around 25 times between LHR and Dulles, JFK, EWR, LAX, MIA and other destinations in your country. I really feel safe and secure when I see security checks at the gates. I don't mind striping myself down to my skin in front of other people if necessary to my safety. What I was trying to say is that we are living in a very different world these days and I was asking in a romantic way, lets say, what happens with the old days, where we could go to the cockpit and share our opinions with the big men up front.
I do apologize if I, in my ignorance of the English Language, couldn't express myself. Participating in these forums with nice people like you might do some good to me.

God Bless you, Broz!!!

Marcos



Marcos
User currently offlineSlamclick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Pilots are allowed to leave the flight deck attendant to "their physiological needs." Rules also apply to the pilot remaining seated at the controls and possibly donning an oxygen mask.

Clearly using the lav was within the spirit of this regulation.
It could be argued that a cup of coffee was too. To combat drowsiness. That is, if it was coffee in the cup. Could have been water or juice which are better for keeping hydrated.

I don't think flirting with a flight attendant would represent the sort of "physiological need" they were referring to. However, we have no idea of the topic of their conversation. It was probably a friendly "how's it going" and a brief exchange of things like ETA and weather at destination and so on. No abuse there.

I have seen mny a flight attendant in the cockpit playing "hall monitor" sit sideways on a pilot seat, but never be seated "at the controls."



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25 Jmets18 : MarcJet66: the second and third sentence of your response to AA7573E may have you treading some pretty thin ice with other Americans on this board. so
26 PiedmontGirl : Jmets18: ok, ok....come on now. i wasn't meaning they were supposed to be locked up in there. you see all these new rules on cnn and everything, so i
27 MarcJet66 : Jmets18 With all respect I have to Americans, as I have many friends there and they are absolutely great people. I do not have anything against any na
28 Jhooper : § 91.105 Flight crewmembers at stations. (a) During takeoff and landing, and while en route, each required flight crewmember shall -- (1) Be at the c
29 Post contains images AA717driver : Pre-9/11, I went out of the cockpit even on relatively short flights(STL-ICT). Small bladder, large Diet Coke consumption. Something's gotta give. Pos
30 Big777jet : Recently, during Salt Lake City Olympic 2002. My friend flew to Salt Lake City on American MD-80. The captain got out of the cockpit. He went to the b
31 PVD757 : MARCJET66: If I may speak for AA757 a little here...There have been several threads on this very forum latley that have included some very strong stat
32 Aa757first : Instead of a full fledged cockpit bathroom, how about a door into the first class lav? The door into the cockpit is of the same quality as the regular
33 Nudelhirsch : Giv'em bottles up there which they can pee into! It's such a freaking risk when they're leaving the FD! It should actually be locked and only opened b
34 PiedmontGirl : Aa777first: Instead of a full fledged cockpit bathroom, how about a door into the first class lav? This would mean that every passenger who went into
35 MD11Engineer : In manyairplanes it would be sufficient to move the cockpit door a bit aft, making the forward lav a pure crew lav. On the other hand, esp. on long fl
36 UAL747DEN : Calm down kids! The pilot can leave the pit to do what he needs to do and an F/A will set in his seat. When the pilot is out of the pit the officer wi
37 Vafi88 : """the tsa said that once the cockpit door was closed, it was not to be re-opened""" Who cares what the TSA says??? Plus, the co-pilot can fully fly t
38 Brido : Of course the pilots come out of the flightdeck and FAs go in! The door doesn't stay closed/bolted the whole flight... My airline now has us FAs makin
39 Slamclick : Hey! Good news! Michael Moore just told me there is no terrorist threat! It is in his book "Dude, where's my country?" Chapter 4. Don't want to mis-qu
40 Buckfifty : It's not a preposterous idea. Most 744's have a lav in the extended cockpit area, which includes the crew rest bunks.
41 Garnetpalmetto : My guess is this "unnamed Southern airline" is using piddle packs for their pilots seeing as how that's what the USAF and USN do for their fighter pil
42 Post contains images AA717driver : Nudelhirsch--I don't think any of us want's the Capt. trying to pee into the opening of an Evian bottle at night in even light turbulence! Maybe we co
43 Post contains images Jhooper : P.S.--The authority of the TSA ends at the cabin door! then why are you following all their rules???
44 Garnetpalmetto : Again, they're probably using piddle packs (basically a Zip-loc baggie with a sponge inside) if their airline forbids them to leave the cockpit to rel
45 Marcopolo747 : IT IS REALLY COMFORTING TO LEARN THAT WE STILL HAVE HUMAN PILOTS FROM ALL COUNTRIES WHO NEED TO GO TO THE TOILET, WHO NEED A CUP OF COFFEE DURING THE
46 Mog : I think what passengers should be more worried about if they see a pilot drinking airliner coffee is that the pilot must be a very new pilot, maybe le
47 Post contains images Flyguyclt : Marco: I'll second that ! Safe Flying Bud !
48 Post contains images Scbriml : the pilot walked out of the cockpit, into the bathroom, and then served himself a cup of coffee Well I hope he washed his hands first!
49 Buckfifty : Oh, and another thing, on long haul flights, you may see pilots in full uniform walking about the cabin (on Airbuses mostly). People are often surpris
50 MarcJet66 : PVD757 Thank you very much for your statement. I do understand completely that after suffering as much as the Americans are, maybe not with bombs fall
51 Kilavoud : How many sugars did he put in his coffe ? and about milk ? Cheers. Kilavoud.
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