PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3395 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3192 times:
As I remember, when the deal was consumated, Airbus gave them guarantees on covering any "excessive" transitional costs and to help with the costs of integration. Plus they got a sweet deal on the planes themselves. Remember, this was a major coup for Airbus. No other LCCs at this time were using Airbus.
United4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 291 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3122 times:
Like most start up LCCs, easyJet started with 737s and their first major expansion was 737-700s.
Their 2nd major order was big - 125 aircraft plus 125 options and Airbus went tooth and nail to get that order with a really sweet offer on 319s which, if I remember correctly, included heavy maintenance thus eliminating one of easyJet's biggest costs from having 2 fleets, plus help with some of the other costs like pilot training.
They also had to modify the A319 in many ways to accommodate the order - the most visually obvious being a second over wing emergency exit because of the high density configuration.
easyJet seem happy with the 2-fleet arrangement. They plan the A319 and the 737-700 to be fully interchangeable and either could turn up on any given flight. They stated some time ago that they planned to keep the 737-700s for the forseeable future, just phasing out the -300s with which they started.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3270 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3024 times:
One of the main reasons of fleet commonality is that you have a large pool of resources to tap from. A large amount of pilots, a large amount of spare parts, a large amount of technicians etc. This givse economies of scale.
There comes a moment when a fleet is so large you will not find a lot more economies of scale. Easyjet had such a large fleet of 737s that they had their spares, pilots etc covered. They could of course have gone for more 737s but since Airbus came up with a real sweet deal they could not refuse it. The planes where cheap, (heavy) maintenance is covered by Airbus, pilot training...
Now Easyjet has two large pools of parts, pilots etc. Both of these pools are large enough to be profitable.
Compare it with Southwest if you will. Their 737-200s requires different parts and pilots then their 737-300s and their 737-700s. Because each of Southwest' fleets is very large, they can get away with it.
Tokolosh From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
Just a thought, but when LCCs like EasyJet and Ryanair started up they went for 737s because they were widely available secondhand and cheap. Now they have enough money to buy new and they basically can choose ...
Aviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
Actually EZY highlight their choice for the A319 theirselfs at their website:
"The easyJet fleet currently consists of 72 aircraft: 67 Boeing 737 series and 5 Airbus A319s (November 2003).
However, in October 2002, easyJet announced its intention to appoint Airbus as its preferred aircraft supplier, subject to shareholder approval. As part of this deal, easyJet has placed a firm order for 120 Airbus A319 aircraft for delivery from September 2003 over five years, with 'price protection' on a further 120 Airbus A319 aircraft until 2012. A319s will be introduced initially via the airline's Geneva base from August 2003 operating under its Swiss air operator's licence. Eventually both the Airbus A319s and Boeing 737-700s will be interchangeable on all easyJet routes maintaining the "any aircraft, any route" aspect of the easyJet business model.
Over the last few years, easyJet has been a major player in the successful introducion of low-cost air travel throughout Europe. Up until now, one of the cornerstones of the low-cost model has been operating a single aircraft type fleet - in the case of easyJet, Boeing 737 series - because uniformity means efficiencies in training, maintenance and operating costs.
So, has easyJet lost its marbles? No! There is an additional cost in complexity terms of operating another brand of aircraft. however, this cost is far outweighed by the financial benefits of this deal. The price is absolutely stunning. Both the A319 and the 737-700 are excellent aircraft and have broadly similar characteristics. There are some differences, but the most important thing for easyJet was the price. In a year-long competition between the two aircraft manufacturers which examined each and every aspect of the operation of both aircraft types in miniscule detail, we realised that if the price was right we would buy Airbus - and we did.
Passengers will notice little difference. A wider aisle on the A319 should make it quicker to embark and disembark. There will be one extra seat per aircraft (150 on the A319 compared to 149 on the Boeing 737-700) and we also have the possibility to take delivery of the bigger aircraft within the same family of aircraft (the A320 and A321) should we decide to.
However, the important point is that overall the A319 will lower costs by about 10% compared to the current mix of aircraft. That can only be good news for customers!"
AFAIK EZY didn't order A320's yet as some mention. Neither are they intend to phase out the 737's. If they do it will be the older Go fleet.
Or did I miss anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I think it's amazing. They tripled their fleet when all A319's are delivered.
BTW does anyone knows where the first A319's currently fly?
I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
United4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 291 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2831 times:
You are almost spot on above, but easyJet plan to retire all the 737-300s when enough 319s are in service.
Currently the 319s can work any GVA-based services (essentially most to/from GVA) but they'll soon be turning up anywhere.
I forgot to mention on my earlier post that a big driver for Airbus offering such a sweet deal (Boeing accused them of taking a loss) was that Airbus wanted to make a second major breakthrough in the LCC market - JetBlue being the first.
Aviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2739 times:
Thanks 4 the info. What kind of different 737 types does EZY operate at the moment? Are the 733s ex Go a/c? I'm still convinced that they will keep the most 737s because it seems that EZY keeps their website up to date.
When I flew EZY from NCE to AMS last year I happened to be on a 733 in Go livery. I had a little chat with one of the f/a's and he was complaining a bit about the old junk he had to work with. It seems logical to get rid of them.
Possible but I do know they operate F100s.
I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
United4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 291 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2631 times:
easyJet currently has two main fleets of 737-300s, those that originated with go (G-IGOx) and those that they had themselves before the merger (G-EZYx and some others), plus a few on short term lease, mainly ex-Buzz ships in an all-white c/s. All of these are the ones that are to go.
The 737-700s started to arrive before the merger with go, and these are to be kept.
The 67 737s quoted on the easyJet website includes both the -300 and the -700 variants, but I notice that later references (to the future) specify the 737-700s.
I guess we could argue that the easyJet fleet already has two types as the -700 and the -300 ships are very different in many ways too: the -700 avionics probably have more in common with the A310 than the 737-300.
I presume the A319s have CFM56 engines, can anyone confirm this?
United4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 291 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2465 times:
Hi again Aviation Freak,
I'm not 100% certain, but I believe the mix is 30 x 737-300 and 42 x 737-700 as follows:
6 x 737-300 secondhand from various sources (the first 6 easyJet aircraft)
12 x 737-300 bought new from Boeing delivered 1998 - 1999
9 x 737-300 from go following the merger
3 x 737-300 ex Buzz on short term lease
42 x 737-700 bought new from Boeing, delivered 2000 - 2003
Hope this helps, but please don't rely on it 100% for anything important.