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UA 777-200 Engine Fire - Emergency Landing At KEF  
User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14544 times:

A United 777-200 flying Frankfurt-Washington made an emergency landing in Keflavik, Iceland at 20:15 GMT. The Captain reported an engine fire at 19:25 when the aircraft was located 350nm south-south-east of Iceland. Approx. 249 were on board.

No visible damage could be seen on the engine after landing but a further inspection will be made.


Can someone provide a flight number and maybe a registration?




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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14356 times:

Glad it got down safely. Now, if it turns out that the engine is damaged beyond repair, UA could be in quite a pickle. I would doubt there's any spares available at KEF, and from what I've heard only the largest Antunovs can carry Triple 7 engines, at what must presumably be a very high, captive-audience price.


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14306 times:

Seems like the UA 777 engines are always catching fire. Probably because the PW 4077/4084/4090 has some faults that the Rolls Royce and GE-90s don't. The Rolls Royce Trent 800s and the GE90s seem like much more reliable engines, since you rarely hear of them catching fire.


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User currently offlineJs From Malta, joined Aug 2001, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14163 times:

The flight number is UA 977.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14158 times:

Can someone provide a flight number and maybe a registration?

Flight number must be UA 977, departed FRA at 17:00h, scheduled arrival time in IAD was 19:50h.

Patrick


User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14141 times:

its UA 977

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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13988 times:

I know all twin jets are certified to take off with only one engine-is it possible that they would ferry the Plane with no passengers on one engine to some place like Ganger where they could truck in an engine?

When they have an incident like this do they send in another plane for the passengers or do they get them out on Icelandair back to JFK


User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13987 times:

I was just thinking that no 777 has had an accident where it had to be written off, but maybe I spoke too soon. I hope that this one engine doesn't spoil the airplane's (so far) perfect Safety record.

User currently offlineGunFighter 6 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13974 times:

Thrust,

I really think you base your assumption that RR and GE are better then PW on nothing. I also rarely hear PW engines catch on fire.
Furthermore its very good possible the fire is the result of an problem we know nothing about. It might not have anything to do with the engine at all. perhaps it was caused by external factors.

What i want to point out here is that all three engines are very complex machines. that all three have been tested for thousands of hours.
therefor i think you cannot make a simple statement that one is better then the other.

If you really want to do this. compare thrust graphs etc.

Cheers
G.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13974 times:

Unlucky flight - the same that had cockpit fire not a long time ago.

User currently offlineAirJamPanAm From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

Oh hell cant the passengers be ferried out via Iceland Air on a pair of 757's?


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User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13829 times:

The Trent800 and 700 did have problems with blocked oil lines and filters a few years ago, and I seem to remember a Trent800 having a contained fan blade failure at Sydney last year. Can anyone confirm this?

Trent.


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13728 times:

I hear about UA 777 engine fires frequently, GunFighter 6. Maybe I will withdraw my statement about the PW's, if it is that offensive and inaccurate. However, I will say that hear about United 777's catching fire several times per 3 months. I have heard about AA 777 incidents, but those are much rarer. Maybe it's just coincidental. I don't know. I was simply asking for some comparisons of PW engines to RR engines and GE engines.


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User currently offlineEmbqa From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13593 times:

An engine change in KEF this time of the year...?? Not me buddy...!! It's cold-cold-cold., and if they don't have a hanger big enough.....?? Brrrr..!!

[Edited 2004-01-06 23:36:55]


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13489 times:

Oh yeah, I may have made a mistake, GunFighter 6. By the way, you were right. I did base my assumptions on nothing, I admit, except that I heard that the RR Trents have proven to be more reliable, but that was probably false advertising which I believed to be true. Now for the mistake I made: I think what I presumed to be engine failures were fires in the cockpit. Forget my entire statement about hearing engine fires frequently. I forget that many of those were cockpit fires. There are not a huge number. If PW was an unreliable engine, no airline would select. Yet there are many airlines that do use it on the 777. If many use it, engine reliability is not a problem. So in conclusion, GunFighter 6, you are right, I am wrong. I bear no offense in these comments.

Regards,
Thrust




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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13398 times:

and I seem to remember a Trent800 having a contained fan blade failure at Sydney last year

see this thread, responses # 8 and onward


User currently offlineNecigrad From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13277 times:

" know all twin jets are certified to take off with only one engine"

I is? I know it's POSSIBLE, but I HIGHLY doubt that is legal.


User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13172 times:

Thanks for that ConcordeBoy.

Im not sure where I read that info, someware in the middle of australia I think.

Trent.


User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13044 times:

My use of the word "certified" is probably wrong-I know that they must be capable of taking off with one engine in an emergency sorry

User currently offlineGLAguy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12877 times:

Danny:

Unlucky flight - the same that had cockpit fire not a long time ago

Yes, this is the same aircraft that diverted into GLA in November due to smoke entering the cockpit/cabin. I believe it was caused by electrical problems on that occasion.


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User currently offlineBistro1200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12730 times:

Thrust: Don't forget UA is the largest operator of 777s, with 55 in service, 5 in storage. So of 777 failures, UA is statistically more likely to be the carrier with the problem.

Also 226UA is flying JFK-KEF after her trip from LHR-JFK. ETA KEF is 1620Z on the 7th. 767UA was the diverted aircraft.



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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12640 times:

As far as I can tell, N767UA would be the 2nd oldest 777 UA has and the 9th 777 off the line.

Regards,
F9W



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User currently offlineOrd777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12566 times:

Just an interesting note about UA 777's. I was on flt 945 from FRA to ORD on Dec. 22nd and mid-way through the flight the captain announced that they had concerns about the electrical system. Consequently the PVT's were shut off for the remainder of the flight and no hot food was able to be served. We almost diverted to Ottawa, Canada, but made it safely to Chicago.

User currently offlineSuspen From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12440 times:

Taking off with one engine is different from sustaining an engine out on takeoff. Wouldn't a 777 on a dead start with only one engine just drive around in circles?  Smile


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User currently offlineBistro1200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12431 times:

NO AIRCRAFT with 2 engines is allowed to fly on one. Period.


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25 Lekky-Man : Hi all, I too can confirm the B777 was N767UA. LM
26 GLAguy : F9Widebody: As far as I can tell, N767UA would be the 2nd oldest 777 UA has and the 9th 777 off the line. What age does that make her then?
27 F9Widebody : She was delivered on May 31st, 1995, so almost 9 years if my math is correct. Regards, F9W
28 Post contains images Asgeirs : > Glad it got down safely. Now, if it turns out that the engine is damaged > beyond repair, UA could be in quite a pickle. I would doubt there's any >
29 FA4UA : I pulled up the crew's information on this trip. They are mostly FRA based flight attendants mixed with two BOS based FA's (kinda weird since they wer
30 Sjoerd : Doesn't this proof that the 4 for long haul concept makes sense ?
31 Bistro1200 : SJOERD: The cost of this diversion is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of maintaining twice as many engines. Besides, I can tell you if there
32 FA4UA : yeah, amen BISTRO. Four engines = twice as many things to break if a plane has a fire, they'll land it, doesn't matter how many engines! FA4UA
33 747firstclass : Its been a bad day for the 777. Co had an emergency landing on Midway island today.
34 Boeingnut : From what I have heard, it is possible to carry a full PW4084 in a 747 cargo, fully assembled. I could be wrong. I know its close, but I remember that
35 UALPHLCS : Doesn't this proof that the 4 for long haul concept makes sense ? Why the plane made it safely to KEF. No pax were injured. Do you think a 4 engine pl
36 N79969 : I think the fire=diversion is right analysis in this case. I am not sure if that is true for the CO diversion.
37 Chgoflyer : Thrust: You should really study up before you make such uninformed comments. Read my name carefully.
38 Nwfltattendant : Citing the Aviation and Aerospace Source book, the diameter of the PW 777 engines is 134in in diameter. That would NEVER fit in a 747 lower deck. NOW,
39 ILUV767 : PROSA wrote: Glad it got down safely. Now, if it turns out that the engine is damaged beyond repair, UA could be in quite a pickle. I would doubt ther
40 Tsentsan : Am not too sure about the size difference betw a PW and RR engine, but MH once ferried a RR Trent engine using their B742 Combi, unloading via the rea
41 Ordpark : Let's not toss the word 'fire' around to loosely....usually, it's just an indicator but you never take chances.
42 Post contains links and images Thaigold : I think this photo shows that you don't need a Antonov to carry a 777 engine - unless the PW engine is much bigger than Lauda's GE.... View Large View
43 Mr.BA : Regarding the 2 engines vs 4 engines debate. The first thing that is, when there is a fire or even suspected fire, a diversion is mandatory. They will
44 Petrouchka : I don't see why you need four engines. Engine failures/problems are fairly uncommon considering the volume of flights that occur everyday, and the odd
45 Lauda777 : Does anybody know what engine Emirates use on the 777?? I remember one suffered an engine failure during takeoff roll about 2 years ago here in Melb,
46 Petrouchka : Emirates has the RR Trents on its 773s[Edited 2004-01-07 10:31:15]
47 Post contains images Skymonster : Furthermore its very good possible the fire is the result of an problem we know nothing about. It might not have anything to do with the engine at all
48 Post contains images Fritzi : OMG, it must have been Al Qaida!!!!! A terrorist was probably strapped to the engine, then he threw a molotov cocktail into the engine!!! Somebody cal
49 TexAussie : The "Sydney incident" was an Emirates 777-300 and it was in Melb. My (then, now X) girlfriend was an EK F/A who ferried the bird back to DXB (from Sin
50 FraT : "Wasn't there an Air Transat A330 that lost both engines over the Atlantic due to fuel starvation? I seem to recall it glided for quite a ways before
51 TexAussie : I believe Boeing's "glide rate" for a 767 is 7-10 miles forward progress for every one mile of alititude. An ER capt told me that one time. The AC 767
52 Boeingnut : From Pratt-Whitney.com "The PW4000 112-inch fan engine retains the excellent accessibility and component modularity of other PW4000 family members to
53 Flybulldog : Does UA have spare engines sitting around, or would they pull one off one in storage? I would imagine that pulling one in storage would take a long ti
54 Dasheighty : Well it's an unfortunate occurrence...Weather an aircraft has for engines or two there machines. Machines do sometimes break...That's why there are me
55 Tjwgrr : Here's the "rescue" bird: Information as of 1506Z FlightID: UAL9936 (Commercial, Jet) Status: DEPARTED, ENROUTE Company: UNITED AIR LINES INC. Country
56 Jumbojet : I propose a question. I asked this question on the Cont 777 engine failure thread and have not received a resonse, so here goes. What happens when a B
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