Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16516 times:
Ok, here is the data. The flight left NRT 6 minutes early at 4.59pm, and landed in Midway at 2.53am. It is estimated to leave Midway at 9.20pm tonight (14hours and 20 min late). I know a few of the crew quite well, so I will get a good update when they return.
Always good to keep Midway open, although open or closed, if you needed to get the plane on the ground no matter what, you would land there and them figure it out rather than ditching in the sea.
Commander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16461 times:
Once again Midway proves that it is a valuable piece of real estate in the Pacific. Boeing no longer is the facilities operator for Midway and it's administration now falls under the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, which operates the Midway Atoll National Wildlife Refuge.
SprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16440 times:
It looks as the odds are 100%
Anyway, I'll bet the pax got bored fairly quickly, unless there were some WWII vets or historical fans onboard.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16279 times:
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15961 times:
As I sad before, I know a few of the crew quite well, and oddly enough, most of them are the type that would love this sort of adventure... once safely on the ground (as JCS mentioned)
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5439 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15880 times:
"The passengers were deplaned, and they can be entertained by a million and a half seabirds," said Barbara Maxfield, speaking for the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, which operates the Midway Atoll National Wildlife Refuge.
Heck, who needs IFE?
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
Jumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15525 times:
any word on co flight #6? Did it depart Midway Island as scheduled?
I was wondering, what if this scenario were to take place. After the mechanics trouble shoot the airplane and the alleged cause of the problem was still not fixed, then what? You still have 200 + passengers stuck over there. At what point does co or any other airline make the decision to fly in alternative aircraft to get the passengers and crew back home?
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16245 posts, RR: 52 Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15414 times:
CO 777s use the GE90 engine..
I would love to go to Midway because Im a history buff, especially WWII.
Jumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15385 times:
GE90's. If you look at any of airliners pics of CO B777's, you might be able to see the GE90 logo on the engine.
Bluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3139 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15388 times:
CO uses GE90-92B's on their 777-224s.
Thank God everyone is safe.
[Edited 2004-01-07 04:24:20]
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Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15131 times:
WOW! Once we were on the ground, I would have loved that kind of delay. How else could I visit Midway and see if there are any remnants of the PAA Hotel there, or just to see where it stood. That would be way too cool
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14993 times:
to answer someone's question, yes, an airplane with four engines will land as soon as practical if one fails, for whatever reason. Logic behind that is that you just can't be sure why one failed- if it's fuel delivery, the other three might soon be affected. So, safest bet is to get her on the ground.
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14823 times:
to answer someone's question, yes, an airplane with four engines will land as soon as practical if one fails, for whatever reason
Section 91.7: Civil aircraft airworthiness.
(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft unless it is in an airworthy condition.
(b) The pilot in command of a civil aircraft is responsible for determining whether that aircraft is in condition for safe flight. The pilot in command shall discontinue the flight when unairworthy mechanical, electrical, or structural conditions occur.
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14692 times:
AA737-823 and Jhooper,
On a three/four-engine airplane, a single-engine failure (assuming it is not a fire) does not always mean the airplane has to divert. I am very certain that is the case in the US. In some cases, continuing to the destination may be the best course of action.
On a two-engine airplane, they have to divert if they shutdown one of the engines.
I hope 747skipper or one of the other pilots chimes in on this board to clarify this point.
Bellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 574 posts, RR: 60 Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14555 times:
Sjoerd
…Does an aircraft with 4 engines have to land, when one engine fails ?…
In most cases of a single engine failure on a four-engined jet, in the absence of any indications of a fire, the flight will continue on towards destination and the aircraft will not land at the nearest airport. The passengers may well not know that an engine has been shut down unless the crew elect to tell them.
In general terms, prior to making the decision to continue towards destination, the main items the Captain will check are:
That sufficient fuel is on board to continue towards destination, at the increased fuel consumption and lower cruise level of a three engine cruise.
That a suitable airfield will always within range of the aircraft's intended route for an immediate landing should a second engine fail.
That the aircraft will be able to clear any high ground on its intended route should a second engine fail.
That there is no reason to suspect that the reason the first engine failed might also affect the remaining engines.
The weather and route will of course play a large part in the Captain’s decision. It will be a harder decision for a B747 Captain who is flying over the Pacific in poor weather than for one who is flying over Europe in good weather.
If the fuel situation does not permit continued flight to destination, then at least a landing can be made at a convenient airfield, close to destination where good engineering, passenger handling and company facilities exist.
A B747-400, on a SIN-LHR flight, lost an engine on take-off at SIN some years ago. After checking all the above points the Captain decided the flight could safely continue towards LHR.
Fuel checks revealed that whilst LHR would be out of reach on three engines, Helsinki could safely be reached with full fuel reserves remaining, so the flight continued Westbound towards HEL.
During the nine hours it took to arrive at HEL, the company concerned had arranged for a spare aircraft to fly to HEL and by the time the first aircraft landed, was ready and waiting to take the passengers on the last leg of their journey to LHR with only minimal delay.
Jumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 14429 times:
Interesting Bellerophon
I just love hearing those words, 'spare aircraft'!! I guess that most likely means juggling aircraft around? I cant imagine there being to many spare 747's around!?
Also, I was wondering, I had asked this a while ago with no response, just gonna ask one more time. Here goes.
what if this scenario were to take place. After the mechanics trouble shoot the airplane (CO B777 at Midway Island) and the alleged cause of the problem was still not fixed, then what? You still have 200 + passengers stuck over there. At what point does co or any other airline make the decision to fly in alternative aircraft to a remote location to get the passengers and crew back home?
25 Bruce: Is there even an airport on Midway Island??? do they get any other regular scheduled traffic? bruce
26 Jet-a gasguy: Two CO mechanics just left out of HNL in a chartered Learjet at 1700 Local. Hopefully they'll be able to fix the problem and get that aircraft under w
27 TexAussie: Midway seems a little south along the Pacific tracks. I would have thought the ETOPS routes would have been higher, along the Baring Straights. I have
29 Tjwgrr: I checked Great Circle Mapper for the NRT-IAH flight with both the 207 minute and 180 minute ETOPS rules applied. Midway seems way out of route- quite
30 Dasheighty: Midway island Is it manned is there a tower? A phone?
31 Lxlgu: Flight took off 0242 from Midway and ETA IAH 1513-25 hours late Cheers! Tony
32 Tjwgrr: Must be repaired.... flight plan filed: --------------------------------------------------- Information as of 1511Z FlightID: COA6A (Commercial, Jet)
33 Jumbojet: I propose a question. I asked this question on the Cont 777 engine failure thread and have not received a resonse, so here goes. What happens when a B
34 Beltwaybandit: Two 777 engines fail on one day. Now, what are the odds that those failures happen on a single 777? To further the question, we know a two-engine-out
35 Tjwgrr: UAL is flying a 777 from JFK to KEF as of this writing to pick up stranded passengers. I'm sure CO would have dispatched an aircraft to pick up their
36 Tjwgrr: "To further the question, we know a two-engine-out 777 is a bad glider. How much better is a two-engine out A340? or 747?" ---------------------------
37 Mlsrar: Is it manned is there a tower? A phone? Yes...there is a whole DSN circuit tied to the transpac fiber net! (Sarcasm in there as it's about the equival
38 LatinAviation: Here is info on the airport: http://www.midwayisland.com/handbookframe.html and on Midway Island general management: http://www.midwayisland.com/
39 Thrust: A four engined jetliner like the Boeing 747 can still fly easily with just one jet engine. The four-engined piston propliners like the Boeing 377 Stra
40 Prebennorholm: A 747 or 340 with three engines shut down would be pretty scary at MTOW. But after dumping fuel they would do quite nicely. They won't make a go aroun
41 Ha763: As for diverting due to engine trouble on a 3 or 4 engined aircraft, I can tell you that I know one US airline will most likely divert instead of cont
42 ConcordeBoy: Bluewave 707, CO 777s are actually powered by GE90-90Bs... Actually, both of you are right. Most of CO's engines are indeed GE90-92Bs, but all are ope
43 SSRJ: For history buffs, Midway is the site of a Naval Battle in June 1943 between the U.S. Navy and Japanese Imperial Navy. Admiral Fletcher in overall com
44 Homer71: There was a movie that chroncled that battle called, strangely enough, Midway, that came out in 1976, very interesting movie...
45 Prebennorholm: Whether a captain chooses to divert or continue with a trijet or quad after an engine shutdown that may depend on many circumstances. If for instance
46 HA_DC9: Here's another article for more about the incident. At the end of the article is stated why the jet landed at Midway because Wake Island's runway was
47 Artsyman: If Midway was closed, they would have to return to Japan or divert 1200 miles to HNL. **** If Midway was closed, then their flight plan would have be
48 DeltaSFO: Woulda been kinda cool to be on that flight and get a guided tour of Midway Island.
49 FraT: It seems that CO was really lucky. On board was a CO Structures Engineer Sr. Manager (what a title) who could identify the problem right away when the
50 F9Widebody: Here is a picture of midway, so you can get an idea of what it is like. Picture Courtesy of Airnav.com Regards, F9W
51 Goose: For history buffs, Midway is the site of a Naval Battle in June 1943 between the U.S. Navy and Japanese Imperial Navy. Minor detail; It was 1942, not
52 ARCJET: During the Vietnam War Midway had service from the contracted airlines flying to and from Vietnam. Braniff operated 707s from Travis AFB, CA to Saigon
53 Espion007: hey,does any1 know the status of kure island? it is near midway. Why did they close the johnson airfield?lack of funding? I dont know about you,but if
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