Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21 Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5828 times:
Anyone have ideas on what would be the largest US metropolitan area with only one major airport (e.g. only one airport with commercial service)?
My guess would be ATL.
Also, does anyone have any ideas regarding the prospects for second airports in these areas? I know most of them are longshots, given the protection the big airports receive, but I am under the impression that Atlanta, Detroit, Seattle, Dallas, and Denver would greatly benefit from smaller suburban airports, maybe with RJ service. Any thoughts?
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5767 times:
PDX is a fairly large metro area, if you include Salem, OR (SLE) in that mix. There's a small airport @ SLE, but no scheduled service that I know of. PDX would also include SW Washington. All told, about 2.3m people approximately.
Re: a 2nd smaller suburban airport for SEA....only thing that comes to mind would be PAE, and there was talk before 9-11 that QX would start a PAE-PDX nonstop. PAE has a runway that's about 9,000' feet long, so it could handle a wide variety of aircraft, but the terminal area is pretty much non existent. Besides PAE, don't know. Any other airport (even a replacement for SEA) would have to be further out, and it's generally pretty hilly around here...nothing practical jumps out at me. Unless they closed McChord AFB, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5708 times:
Three airports in one city (Dallas) is a misuse of resources, and a poor attempt to improve aviation services to the local community. Most MSAs are better served by investing in their current facilities, bringing in light rail, improving and expanding gate facilities, and adapting the facility to the needs of the flying public.
Building an entire new facility, to supplement the other facilities, most often times is not the best idea. There is zero need in Dallas for a third airport. Two words - capacity reductions.
Strickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5690 times:
I would say it's either Boston or Philadelphia, or possibly Phoenix, depending on what you consider part of the metro area. I'm not sure which of those three is largest. I'm also not sure whether largest in this context refers to area or population, but I'm assuming area.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5620 times:
would say it's either Boston or Philadelphia
If one is using metropolitan areas, Boston MSA includes Bedford. The CMSA also includes Manchester. Philadelphia MSA and CMSA includes Atlantic City.
Based on MSA populations, there is nothing to dispute here. It is Atlanta, Georgia. Based on CMSA, I think it is still Atlanta, but I am not certain. Based on city proper it is Los Angeles, California. They have only LAX within thier city limits.
US653 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5606 times:
Based purely on population, I would say Philadelphia. ABE and ACY lie just outside the metro areas (even though technically ACY falls within the Philadelphia MSA). If those areas MUST be included, then ATL it is.
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EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5417 times:
I agree MX), Mexico">MEX would be the largest metro area with only one airport. However, you could consider that it has a second airport: the Toluca airport, which is less than 40 minutes away by car from the west side of Mexico City. Although in the past it was mainly an airport for private jets, MX and AM seem to have plans to send some domestic routes to Toluca from MX), Mexico">MEX. All I can say is that it would be convenient for me and for many other people, especially now that MX), Mexico">MEX is being expanded to increase its capacity by 30%, and parking and dropping passengers is a real mess.
LH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5348 times:
What's the difference between an MSA and a CMSA? Because with MHT about 1 hour from Boston and PVD about another 50-55, very few people would consider Manchester or Providence to be in the Boston metropolitan area which would make Boston one of the largest, especially with the loss of service at ORH. However, it is true that US Express still has service at Hanscom/BED.
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Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5203 times:
SEA is out: BFI is used by San Juan Air and Helijet. I have not been to PAE for about 3 years but the last time I was there, the 'terminal' had two car rental desks and one office for the ground service.
In the PDX area there are three airports: PDX, HIO, and VOU. HIO has a terminal used by Intel and there has been talk of extending one runway to use it for cargo.
Cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5059 times:
I agree with EddieDude, you could actually consider Toluca (TOL) as a second airport for Mexico City.
Toluca has a single runway perfectly suited for commercial operations (more than 13,000 feet long), that has been upgraded from time to time. In fact, Fedex's mexican hub is TOL, and almost all private or corporate aircraft use this airport as gateway to Mexico City. For people living or working in the newer developments on west side of Mexico City, it is a 35 minute ride.
The problem for Toluca is the altitude and prevaling weather. It is higher than MEX and thus not viable for long range operations. In fact, in the late eighties there was a serious project which intended to develop Toloca as the international airport for MEX, but the altitude was one of the major drawbacks. Like EddieDude said, some Mexican airlines have or have had operations there in the past, but the fares where high and the frecuencies low, so they havn't really worked.
I've always wondered though, why no one has tried to open a serious regional airline based at Toluca.