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Largest Metro Area With Only One Airport?  
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Anyone have ideas on what would be the largest US metropolitan area with only one major airport (e.g. only one airport with commercial service)?

My guess would be ATL.

Also, does anyone have any ideas regarding the prospects for second airports in these areas? I know most of them are longshots, given the protection the big airports receive, but I am under the impression that Atlanta, Detroit, Seattle, Dallas, and Denver would greatly benefit from smaller suburban airports, maybe with RJ service. Any thoughts?


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User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

SSides: Dallas has two airports, DAL (Love field) and DFW.


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

PDX is a fairly large metro area, if you include Salem, OR (SLE) in that mix. There's a small airport @ SLE, but no scheduled service that I know of. PDX would also include SW Washington. All told, about 2.3m people approximately.

Re: a 2nd smaller suburban airport for SEA....only thing that comes to mind would be PAE, and there was talk before 9-11 that QX would start a PAE-PDX nonstop. PAE has a runway that's about 9,000' feet long, so it could handle a wide variety of aircraft, but the terminal area is pretty much non existent. Besides PAE, don't know. Any other airport (even a replacement for SEA) would have to be further out, and it's generally pretty hilly around here...nothing practical jumps out at me. Unless they closed McChord AFB, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5785 times:

Yeah, I know about Dallas ... I still think it could use a third for the "Silicon Prairie" in the northern suburbs maybe. Same for Chicago.


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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

Detroit has 2 airports with PAX airline service. (DET and DTW) although, at the moment, DET doesnt have PAX service, but, they may again in the future.



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

Portland is far from the largest metro area with only one airport. Based on MSA area's, these are the ten largest:

1) New York City (metro incl. EWR, JFK, LGA, SWF, ISP, HPN)
2) Los Angeles (LAX, ONT, BUR, LGB, SNA)
3) Chicago (ORD, MDW)
4) Philadelphia (PHL, ACY)
5) Dallas (DFW, DAL)
6) Miami (MIA, FLL, PBI, MPB)
7) Washington, D.C. (DCA, IAD)
8) Houston (IAH, HOU, EFD)
9) Atlanta (ATL)
10) Detroit (DTW)

The answer is Atlanta. This list is MSA, not CMSA, which combine MSAs (like San Francisco and San Jose and Washington, D.C. and Baltimore) into one.



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User currently offlinePetrouchka From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t3/tab03.txt

Philadelphia, PA (metro area: 6 million+)
Boston, MA (5.8 million)


User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

Three airports in one city (Dallas) is a misuse of resources, and a poor attempt to improve aviation services to the local community. Most MSAs are better served by investing in their current facilities, bringing in light rail, improving and expanding gate facilities, and adapting the facility to the needs of the flying public.

Building an entire new facility, to supplement the other facilities, most often times is not the best idea. There is zero need in Dallas for a third airport. Two words - capacity reductions.



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User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

I would say it's either Boston or Philadelphia, or possibly Phoenix, depending on what you consider part of the metro area. I'm not sure which of those three is largest. I'm also not sure whether largest in this context refers to area or population, but I'm assuming area.

-Jeffrey S.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

DTW is the primary airport for Southeast Michigan

FNT, TOL, and LAN all act as secondary airports for the Detroit area, notably Flint draws the northern suburbs, LAN the far Western areas and mid-Michigan, and TOL far southern Michigan.

DET will not likely ever regain passenger service, I was just down by there last week, its looking worse than ever.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

would say it's either Boston or Philadelphia

If one is using metropolitan areas, Boston MSA includes Bedford. The CMSA also includes Manchester. Philadelphia MSA and CMSA includes Atlantic City.

Based on MSA populations, there is nothing to dispute here. It is Atlanta, Georgia. Based on CMSA, I think it is still Atlanta, but I am not certain. Based on city proper it is Los Angeles, California. They have only LAX within thier city limits.



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User currently offlineUS653 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5648 times:

Based purely on population, I would say Philadelphia. ABE and ACY lie just outside the metro areas (even though technically ACY falls within the Philadelphia MSA). If those areas MUST be included, then ATL it is.

Jeff



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User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

What about Mexico City?


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5595 times:


B741,

I was going to participate when I saw that the list was limited to only US airports.

Obviously Mexico City has to be one of the winners worldwide. There are several others out of the US.

Maybe de author of the post could extend the limit?


Regards


SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

I was going to say, If not in the US then definately Mexico City. How many people live there now? It must be pushing 25-26 million.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

I agree MX), Mexico">MEX would be the largest metro area with only one airport. However, you could consider that it has a second airport: the Toluca airport, which is less than 40 minutes away by car from the west side of Mexico City. Although in the past it was mainly an airport for private jets, MX and AM seem to have plans to send some domestic routes to Toluca from MX), Mexico">MEX. All I can say is that it would be convenient for me and for many other people, especially now that MX), Mexico">MEX is being expanded to increase its capacity by 30%, and parking and dropping passengers is a real mess.


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

I find it hard to believe that Atlantic City is in Philadelphia's MSA. I've made the drive, and they seem like two distinct areas to me.


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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

What's the difference between an MSA and a CMSA? Because with MHT about 1 hour from Boston and PVD about another 50-55, very few people would consider Manchester or Providence to be in the Boston metropolitan area which would make Boston one of the largest, especially with the loss of service at ORH. However, it is true that US Express still has service at Hanscom/BED.

LH423



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User currently offline737Captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

My vote goes for PHX, only one airport with service, and a HUGE population in Phoenix and its suburban areas.  Smile


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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11658 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

SEA is out: BFI is used by San Juan Air and Helijet. I have not been to PAE for about 3 years but the last time I was there, the 'terminal' had two car rental desks and one office for the ground service.

In the PDX area there are three airports: PDX, HIO, and VOU. HIO has a terminal used by Intel and there has been talk of extending one runway to use it for cargo.

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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

I think most of big latinamerican capital and second largest cities have only one airport such as Mexico City, Bogota, Lima, SJO, etc.
BTW: Atlanta has only one airport ? Are you sure?



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User currently offlineCx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

I agree with EddieDude, you could actually consider Toluca (TOL) as a second airport for Mexico City.

Toluca has a single runway perfectly suited for commercial operations (more than 13,000 feet long), that has been upgraded from time to time. In fact, Fedex's mexican hub is TOL, and almost all private or corporate aircraft use this airport as gateway to Mexico City. For people living or working in the newer developments on west side of Mexico City, it is a 35 minute ride.

The problem for Toluca is the altitude and prevaling weather. It is higher than MEX and thus not viable for long range operations. In fact, in the late eighties there was a serious project which intended to develop Toloca as the international airport for MEX, but the altitude was one of the major drawbacks. Like EddieDude said, some Mexican airlines have or have had operations there in the past, but the fares where high and the frecuencies low, so they havn't really worked.

I've always wondered though, why no one has tried to open a serious regional airline based at Toluca.




User currently offlineMckennasmall From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

YUL,
they just got rid of Mirabel and YUL is expanding


User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

In Toronto, can you count Downsview or City Centre as true second commercial airports?

Even Atlanta and Phoenix have secondary airports like Scottsdale and Deer Valley or Peachtree.




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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1384 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

San Diego pretty large, one airport with a single runway, although they are so close to Orange County and Long Beac. The LA/SD area is really one huge area.


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25 Post contains images DeltaGuy : My vote goes to ATL...really the only airport around, till you get to BHM or Valdosta...and it's a big surrounding area! Just my 2 c's DeltaGuy
26 Expressjetphx : My vote goes for PHX, only one airport with service, and a HUGE population in Phoenix and its suburban areas. Me too, I think SDL should be upgraded f
27 Gigneil : If you start including further parts of the metro, Atlanta still whoops Phoenix handily. N
28 Post contains images 737Captain : Expressjetphx- I very much agree, that would be a great idea. On another note, if Jetblue acts upon their current plan of using IWA in the future for
29 MAH4546 : What's the difference between an MSA and a CMSA? Because with MHT about 1 hour from Boston and PVD about another 50-55, very few people would consider
30 Neo : Does anyone have an updated list of the largest metro-areas in the world. The last time i checked it was something like this: 1 TYO 2 MEX 3 NYC 4 SAO
31 Haveric : I disagree that the Census Bureau has the final say on this. Thus, for all intents and purposes, Philadelphia is the largest metro area with one airpo
32 Flairport : Boston has Worchester and some of the airports on the cape and Nantucket! In any case, I saw its ATL. Fulton County and Peachtree DaKalb cannot reciev
33 MAH4546 : ACY is not part of the Philadelphia metro area. Tell that to the US census bureau. They consider Atlantic City in the Philadelphia metro area. Until r
34 AZMD80 : In my opinion ATL is the largest metropolitan area with only one Airport. In Europe I Think that the first rank is AMS. bie
35 Post contains images Cessna172RG : With all of the airports near Seattle, I'm suprised that some are underused as they are today with the current carriers. I'd personally like to see Ta
36 Flyboy7974 : to correct the above about phx, scottsdale did in the past have commercial airline service, and the community didn't support it. that is why the termi
37 DLKAPA : Denver has to be one of the largest in the U.S. There have been futile attempts to open up APA for passenger service, but because there is no terminal
38 767Lover : I don't know if anyone mentioned this or not (I scanned the posts) but Jacksonville, FL is supposedly the largest city in the U.S. in terms of square
39 Spark : If you look at the Census information, it comes down to MSA vs CMSA. The top five metro areas in the US are all covered. New York has 5, LA has 5, Chi
40 Jm017 : this link: http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t3/tab03.txt lists the Philadelphia CMSA as Philadelphia-Wilmington-Atlantic City and includes
41 MAH4546 : Spark, those are outdated figures. The US census completely revised the CMSA and MSA defintions in 2003, merging some and splitting up others. 25 Larg
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