TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4700 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2718 times:
It kind of surprised me when I heard that they would be operating a B777-300 (!) on this route in the first place anyway.
Maybe smaller equipment (e.g. A330-200 if they had any) would have done the job better.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2727 times:
It appears the Thai website doesnt have this service in the timetable section (although no mention about it in the Press section), so it appears yet another European port for Thai didnt work.
I sort of guessed that this wouldnt work when the first launched the route back in 2002, Thai never seem to be able to stick to any newer European destinations it adds (Vienna, Dusseldorf, Helsinki, Vienna, Istanbul, Brussels, Barcelona - what a joke that was to think BCN could ever work). EVen Amsterdam is no longer served.
Andthe Oslo service that was supposed to start last week has not taken off either.
I also think Thai had probs with the routing of the GVA service, first via ATH but no traffic rights were allowed between ATH and GVA, and then it was via ZRH, which doesnt make much sense really.
Im sure LH is happier as they will get the feeds via MUC/FRA.
Dens From Switzerland, joined Sep 2001, 310 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2561 times:
What I heard is that the load factor on the GVA-BKK route is quite good. GVA is a very lucrative place to fly to and TG is the only Asian operator in western Switzerland. The problem is the cost of the extra crew for the ZRH-GVA segment. A crew has to stay in ZRH and then fly ZRH-GVA-ZRH and stays in ZRH 2 days, before going back to Thailand. That's the problem.
Some times ago, I heard that Thai wanted to fly from BKK to BRU via GVA using MD-11 equipment.
By the way, do you know where are the plans for Swiss Sky For the Washington-Geneva-Kabul route?
And another question, maybe Unique or somewhere else will be able to answer, how is the load factor on the Swiss route ZRH - SIR - ZRH?
Lumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2373 times:
Maybe it's like Brussels it was working very good (code share with SN) but because they enter the STAR alliance they started the new service with LH.
And from that time you had to fly thru Franfurt.
Boieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2193 times:
It is true. Thai is dropping Geneva at the end of January. As stated above the main problem was the crew issue, each flight cost thai about $100K. Loads are actually doing well this year around 120 pax per flight compared to about 80 last year, by all means the flight could never be profitable via Zurich as it would need to be full from Geneva outwards to break-even.
Tomorrow Thai will be making a decision on the future of Geneva, several options exist which are to relaunch GVA around July/September but this time as an extension of Dubai where TG already have a crew base. Other options such as Brussels or Manchester are also possible.
It's pretty sad that Thai didn't give more time for this route to grow as it was starting to do well these last few weeks...
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18198 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2007 times:
Tags are rarely, if ever profitable, especially if you have no fifth freedom rights. In this case, I don't think anyone has fifth freedom rights within a country. If TG can't make it profitable via another destination where it will have cabotage, then GVA will be cut. I'm not sure why they went in through ZRH...seems like a money loser from the start to me.
Boieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1808 times:
Dubai would of course have 5th freedom rights. Abu Dhabi is also a possibility. Fact is that as stated above the crew change costs soo much, that whatever thai does the route cannot be profitable via Zurich.
Just a little reminder of the story. October 28th 2002 Thai launches Geneva via Athens with B773 equipment. Thai expects to have 5th freedom between ATH and GVA but finally the greek government refuses in order to protect olympic. Following this thai decides that they will reroute via Abu Dhabi. Just as this is about to be done, the war in iraq starts and the flight becomes an extension of the Zurich flight using B744 aircraft. January 29th 2004 Thai cuts Geneva, even though loads and yields are improving. Thai will perhaps come back around July/September 2004.
It has to be said that the route was also limited on several points such as the fact that Zurich flights reserved a larger percentage of the seats blocking expansion from Geneva. The route has potential and unfortunately is cut right when it was starting to do well.