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Airbus Beats Boeing In 2003  
User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2462 posts, RR: 52
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Taken from BBC Website

Boeing delivered fewer jets in 2003 than European rival Airbus, the first year this has happened.
The American company delivered 281 jets in 2003, and Airbus sent its 300th plane, to Singapore Airlines, just before Christmas.

Official figures from Airbus, 80% owned by EADS and 20% by BAE Systems, are due on 15 January.

Shares in Boeing, the world's largest aerospace company, closed down 14 cents at $41.93 on New York's Stock Exchange.

Aggressive marketing

Airbus is expected to come in slightly above the 300 figure for the full year.

Boeing had projected 280 deliveries in 2003 after delivering about a hundred more in 2002. This year's result is the lowest level since the 271 in 1996.

Airbus, based in France, has been aggressive in marketing its line of aeroplanes and has been making steady inroads against Boeing, the only other manufacturer of large commercial jets.

In December EADS signed a deal to sell six Airbus A380 super-jumbo planes to Malaysia Airlines for $1.6bn.

In the same month Boeing said it was to start taking orders for its new 7E7 Dreamliner passenger jet.

Two resignations

The 200-300 seat aircraft is Boeing's first new commercial airliner for more than a decade.

The new model, which is not expected to enter service until 2008, is seen as vital for Boeing's future.

Boeing was rocked last year when chief executive Phil Condit resigned in the wake of a number of scandals and performance problems in Boeing's military contracting business.

And chief financial officer Michael Sears quit in November 2003 for unethical conduct.

Boeing on Tuesday named James Bell as chief financial officer on a permanent basis to replace Sears. Mr Bell, 55, had been acting as CFO since Sears' dismissal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3374393.stm

Glenn



http://www.glenneldridgeaviation.com
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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

I think the 280-300 score is a just vague sign of the real shift of power that is going on.

Delivering a A340-600 is counted equally with a 737-700 ..

Hopefully Boeing will be able to restore the balance in 6-8 years...



User currently offlineUsair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 830 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Ut Oh here we go again.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Boeing were very accurate with their prediction of 280 though  Smile


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Once the Boeing 7E7 becomes available for passenger service in 2006, expect to see a dramatic alteration. And I am almost certain Boeing can come up with an answer to the A380. Who knows, maybe in 20 years, engine technology could grow advanced enough that two engines could be powerful enough for a double-decker. The Boeing 747 twin jet would kill the A380 on the spot. I guarantee. If Boeing stretches the 747 20 feet using four 7E7 engines, I guarantee you that Airbus will have its competition. Also if Boeing finds a way to build a 777-400LR, they will beat Airbus too. The battle is far from over. Never judge one year as the basis for an airline's success. Also, the U.S. economy has just returned to its original state. Boeing had to fight a war in their own country. The European economy was not as bad as the U.S. economy up to the end of 2003.


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

The European economy was not as bad as the U.S. economy up to the end of 2003.
I'm not relly sure where you got that idea from...



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Yay lets all celebrate  Insane

You're right, thrust, I guess Boeing is better than Airbus, it was an unfair battle this year!  Big grin


User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

So will this finally lay to rest all of the Airbus vs. Boeing threads?


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User currently offlineCadet93 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

I was told in a few threads, that airbus practically gave planes away this year at no or very little profit. Kinda like buying a car with 0% interest........So , they moved more units, but didn't make any or very little profit on them.....Doesn't sound like a good business plan to hang on to for very long...

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

I was told in a few threads, that airbus practically gave planes away this year at no or very little profit.

I was told that bla bla bla and this guy told me this and on another forum somebody told that etc etc

Djeezes, do you blindly believe everything which is written over here?

Nobody, except Airbus insiders, can comment on this. Even not the pseudo-experts like some of them over here claim to be.


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

The Boeing 747 twin jet would kill the A380 on the spot. I guarantee. If Boeing stretches the 747 20 feet using four 7E7 engines, I guarantee you that Airbus will have its competition. Also if Boeing finds a way to build a 777-400LR, they will beat Airbus too.

What an expert we have here  Insane


User currently offlineSturdy From Ireland, joined Nov 2003, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Well, why I am not surprised. Anyhow, no boeing planes were returned or bartered so far. Laugh out loud

User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

You mean I am not in a forum full of experts?


*dripping with sarcasm* Big grin



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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Actually, if you look at the value of what was delivered.....and the value of what was ordered..it looks a lot worse. Airbus stomped them (and I'm a HUGE Boeing supporter--and a shareholder)

Boeing has some catching up to do. 2004 onwards should be very interesting....


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

2004 is looking very good for Boeing. BA,SQ, QR, and possibly KL and AZ are expected to place large 777NG orders. They will push for more 717 orders to keep the line open. The 7E7 will get a launch customer and hopefully the program will gain momentum.

As others have said, the 7E7 will change those #s a lot. Boeing will be delivering a lot more 7E7s than Airbus will A380s simply because the 7E7/A330/767/A300 market is so much larger and the A380s won't be replacing ALL 744s at the moment.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2820 times:


"BA, SQ, QR and possibly KL and AZ are expected to place large 777NG orders"

You mean just like JAL was going to be the launch customer of the proposed 7E7? KL isn't going to order anything soon, they've just been shopping, same for AZ. The ink on QR's new orders for Airbus widebodies isn't dry yet, why would they need to order more aircraft? SQ is waiting to replace her A310's with something similar sized, not the 777, either the 7E7 or, if they go trough with it, Airbus' new A305. BA has a fleet of 45 777's, no more than 8 years old, do they really need already replacement?

"Boeing will be delivering a lot more 7E7s than Airbus will A380s, simply because the 7E7/A330/767/A300 market is so much larger..."

And how much time did you spend thinking this over before you came to that conclusion? Guess what... will BMW sell more 3 series than 7 series this year?

"...the A380s wont'be replacing ALL 744s at the moment"

Nope, not at the moment and most likely not in the future either, none every claimed this. The A380 will complement the 744, 777, A340 etc.






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