EZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2463 posts, RR: 51 Posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3675 times:
Taken from BBC Website
Boeing delivered fewer jets in 2003 than European rival Airbus, the first year this has happened.
The American company delivered 281 jets in 2003, and Airbus sent its 300th plane, to Singapore Airlines, just before Christmas.
Official figures from Airbus, 80% owned by EADS and 20% by BAE Systems, are due on 15 January.
Shares in Boeing, the world's largest aerospace company, closed down 14 cents at $41.93 on New York's Stock Exchange.
Airbus is expected to come in slightly above the 300 figure for the full year.
Boeing had projected 280 deliveries in 2003 after delivering about a hundred more in 2002. This year's result is the lowest level since the 271 in 1996.
Airbus, based in France, has been aggressive in marketing its line of aeroplanes and has been making steady inroads against Boeing, the only other manufacturer of large commercial jets.
In December EADS signed a deal to sell six Airbus A380 super-jumbo planes to Malaysia Airlines for $1.6bn.
In the same month Boeing said it was to start taking orders for its new 7E7 Dreamliner passenger jet.
The 200-300 seat aircraft is Boeing's first new commercial airliner for more than a decade.
The new model, which is not expected to enter service until 2008, is seen as vital for Boeing's future.
Boeing was rocked last year when chief executive Phil Condit resigned in the wake of a number of scandals and performance problems in Boeing's military contracting business.
And chief financial officer Michael Sears quit in November 2003 for unethical conduct.
Boeing on Tuesday named James Bell as chief financial officer on a permanent basis to replace Sears. Mr Bell, 55, had been acting as CFO since Sears' dismissal.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3381 times:
Once the Boeing 7E7 becomes available for passenger service in 2006, expect to see a dramatic alteration. And I am almost certain Boeing can come up with an answer to the A380. Who knows, maybe in 20 years, engine technology could grow advanced enough that two engines could be powerful enough for a double-decker. The Boeing 747 twin jet would kill the A380 on the spot. I guarantee. If Boeing stretches the 747 20 feet using four 7E7 engines, I guarantee you that Airbus will have its competition. Also if Boeing finds a way to build a 777-400LR, they will beat Airbus too. The battle is far from over. Never judge one year as the basis for an airline's success. Also, the U.S. economy has just returned to its original state. Boeing had to fight a war in their own country. The European economy was not as bad as the U.S. economy up to the end of 2003.
Cadet93 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 3287 times:
I was told in a few threads, that airbus practically gave planes away this year at no or very little profit. Kinda like buying a car with 0% interest........So , they moved more units, but didn't make any or very little profit on them.....Doesn't sound like a good business plan to hang on to for very long...
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 3248 times:
The Boeing 747 twin jet would kill the A380 on the spot. I guarantee. If Boeing stretches the 747 20 feet using four 7E7 engines, I guarantee you that Airbus will have its competition. Also if Boeing finds a way to build a 777-400LR, they will beat Airbus too.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
2004 is looking very good for Boeing. BA,SQ, QR, and possibly KL and AZ are expected to place large 777NG orders. They will push for more 717 orders to keep the line open. The 7E7 will get a launch customer and hopefully the program will gain momentum.
As others have said, the 7E7 will change those #s a lot. Boeing will be delivering a lot more 7E7s than Airbus will A380s simply because the 7E7/A330/767/A300 market is so much larger and the A380s won't be replacing ALL 744s at the moment.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
"BA, SQ, QR and possibly KL and AZ are expected to place large 777NG orders"
You mean just like JAL was going to be the launch customer of the proposed 7E7? KL isn't going to order anything soon, they've just been shopping, same for AZ. The ink on QR's new orders for Airbus widebodies isn't dry yet, why would they need to order more aircraft? SQ is waiting to replace her A310's with something similar sized, not the 777, either the 7E7 or, if they go trough with it, Airbus' new A305. BA has a fleet of 45 777's, no more than 8 years old, do they really need already replacement?
"Boeing will be delivering a lot more 7E7s than Airbus will A380s, simply because the 7E7/A330/767/A300 market is so much larger..."
And how much time did you spend thinking this over before you came to that conclusion? Guess what... will BMW sell more 3 series than 7 series this year?
"...the A380s wont'be replacing ALL 744s at the moment"
Nope, not at the moment and most likely not in the future either, none every claimed this. The A380 will complement the 744, 777, A340 etc.