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Continental IAH-AMS 2 X Daily  
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Well, these things come out of nowhere, but here's the data

Flight 58 Will leave IAH at 3.40pm, operated by a 762
Flight 46 Will leave IAH at 7.20pm, operated by a 764

I do not know the starting date as I have been too lazy to look it up, but I had to check a flight for a friend today, and it is in the system for the end of June.

J

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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Hi,

I am not quite sure about exactly what is date will make added 2x flight out of IAH and this is quite doing very well on their way to AMS. Is hat flight was always full on the way, right? I'm glad to hear about CO make add second flight to AMS.

Regards!

Scott W.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2498 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

So thats 14x weekly CO and 11x weekly KLM on IAH-AMS for the summer?
That's quite some capacity growth there, considering KLM will do a daily 744, and CO most likely at least a daily 772!

PW100



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User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

glad to hear that houston-amsterdam is doing so well. i'm assuming that the success of this flight is a result of the large amount of connections being made at both hubs onto other destinations. however, i would have expected newark to receive double daily service before houston. i guess houston does have more links to onward destinations, though, and the new york-amsterdam/europe market is already heavily filled anyway.

is this the rumored new longhaul from houston for summer '04, or can we expect to hear something else from continental within the next few months?


User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

This new flight is a little strange. It will only operate IAH-AMS on SUN/THU, then back on FRI/MON. 767-200. Oddly, it will arrive and depart within a half hour of the daily KLM 744. CO will now have nine weekly AMS-IAH, along with KL.

KLM's second flight operates FRI/SUN, so on Fridays we'll have four flights from AMS, and on Sundays four flights to.

Is this a competitive response to KLM's extra service, or actual needed capacity? The timing (just weeks after KLM increases) is a little suspect.

Either way, pleased to see AMS-IAH go 18X weekly. I'd love to see both KL and CO's additional services go daily for four times daily service...how's that for alliance growth?

Brian



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

That's quite some capacity growth there, considering KLM will do a daily 744, and CO most likely at least a daily 772!

As the thread starter mentioned, one flight will be a 762 and the other a 764.

N


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33017 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

As pointed out earlier, this does not make for 2x daily IAH-AMS on CO. CO will operate 9x weekly, with second frequencies on ThSu.


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

IAH-AMS with a 764 sounds like a receipe for very unhappy customers. It's absolutely max range for the 764 (a tick more than EWR-HNL), and to get that distance means running right down "jetstream alley." Trying to get north of Iceland would push the routing close to 5200sm, which could leave a lot of flights stopping at CLE -- with passengers missing connections (unlike EWR-HNL, where, for the most part, it just gets folks in late, but they don't have onward connections).

That said, I hope it does work out...it'd be a grea accomplishment for a much-maligned aircraft type.

Steve


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

IAH-AMS is currently a 764, and they are not ending up in CLE on the way back these days, so I don't see why they would be then.

J


User currently offlineORD747CLE From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

There is no way there will be a stop over in CLE! Passengers today won't stand for a stop over in CLE for fuel!!

Ord747Cle


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

IAH-AMS has only been operated with 764 periodically. Best bet is that it will go 777 in the summer, as it has in the past, to mitigate any need for stopovers due to limited performance in those humid IAH summers. Still, I have not heard of the 764 having any trouble completing this route when scheduled, and often runs with full loads in either direction.

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

My bad -- I thought it was being operated with the 767-200 currently. Just goes to show that smaller reserves are needed when the last 2500 miles isn't over water!

Steve


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Thanks for the info, good to know. Do you think there is a chance that the 764 flight would become a 772, the way it did this past summer? Or are there no spare 772's out there right now?

SR 103


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

however, i would have expected newark to receive double daily service before houston

I would think so too, except for one big factor: Shell. Shell's US headquarters are in Houston, and their two major European operations are in London and Amsterdam. Shell is well-known for sending its employees on extensive business trips throughout the year. At first I thought Shell might have given some sort of guarantee to CO (much like Glaxo's contract with AA for RDU-LGW flights), but then I realized that this Dutch company probably has some kind of agreement with KLM. Nevertheless, Shell played a role, directly or indirectly, in getting this second flight to IAH.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Interesting... CO doesn't have enough B762 or B777 to operate the flights they have scheduled under those equipment.

- - -

(to update an earlier post)

This is Continental's current Summer 2004 (as taken from their online timetable) widebody flying w/my rough estimate of approximate aircraft usage for each route (based upon the flight times - note that some flights, like the GRU and TLV, may require more/less):

Boeing 767-400ER -- 13/16
EWR/BRU (one aircraft)
EWR/DUB (one aircraft)
EWR/CO / LIRF), Italy">CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO (one aircraft)
EWR/FRA (one aircraft)
EWR/GLA (one aircraft)
EWR/HNL (one aircraft)
2xGUM/NRT (one aircraft)
HNL/GUM (one aircraft)
IAH/AMS (one aircraft)
2xIAH/HNL (two aircraft)
IAH/OGG (one aircraft)
LAX/HNL (one aircraft)

Boeing 767-200ER -- 9/10 + IAH/AMS on SU/TH
EWR-CDG (one aircraft)
EWR-GRU (1.5 aircraft)
EWR-GVA (one aircraft)
2xEWR-LAX (two aircraft)
EWR-MXP (one aircraft)
EWR-ZRH (one aircraft)
IAH/AMS - SU/TH (one aircraft)
IAH/GRU-GIG (1.5 aircraft)

Boeing 777-200ER -- 18.5/18
EWR-AMS (one aircraft)
EWR-CDG (one aircraft)
EWR-HKG (three aircraft)
2xEWR-LGW (two aircraft)
EWR-MAD (one aircraft)
EWR-MAN (one aircraft)
EWR-NRT (two aircraft)
EWR-TLV (2.5 aircraft)
IAH/CDG (one aircraft)
2xIAH/LGW (two aircraft)
IAH/NRT (two aircraft)

(B752 flying to Europe: EWR to BHX, EDI, LIS and SNN)

Also note that there is a single B762, B764 and B777 in each direction between EWR/IAH -- these are repositioning flights... no more widebodies elsewhere (e.g. SFO, CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO, SJU, SDQ, etc.)


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3039 times:

Patent you can add 2 x EWR-CDG to your summer list as well as 2 x EWR-TLV to your list. You can also add IAH-MAD to your summer list.

J


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3008 times:

Actually I updated the EWR-TLV aircraft numbers (and before anyone asks, the new flight quicky turns at TLV, so CO can rotate it with a single aircraft wheras the existing flight sits on the ground for half a day, requiring the rotation of a second aircraft)... the listing is organized by aircraft, so the EWR-CDG flights are split under the 762 and 777. I don't see an IAH-MAD nonstop uploaded into the timetables yet.

My point was to illustrate that CO doesn't have the equipment to operate the flights per scheduled equipment status quo... they have the equipment but some shuffling will be done... my bet for one of the changes is the termination of the EWR-LAX 762 flights, eliminating domestic widebody sevice for the summer (excluding repositioning flights between IAH/EWR).


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2974 times:

Patent, IAH-MAD for sometime in late spring, early summer. I have heard out of both Gordons mouth and also out of Kelners mouth, so while I will believe it when I see it, when it is those two saying it, and the company has started sending out notices about company sponsored spanish classes available, I tend to believe it.

J


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2936 times:

Artsyman,
I should clarify what I meant: I posted the current widebody schedule for CO's summer 2004 schedule... obviously it needs some work (I mean they have the equipment to operate all the flights they want to, but they don't have enough B777 to operate all the scheduled B777 flights) -- maybe it'll be fixed when CO adds IAH-MAD  Smile.


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2912 times:

Patent, I totally understood what you were doing, I was just adding information for your project. Maybe because you and I argue so much, you just assumed that I was !!!...

J


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2898 times:

LOL, that's probably true!

A hot rumor (or has it been confirmed?) says CO will reduce the F cabin on select 752 for lesiure destinations + all of the 753. Are the 753 over-water equipped? I'm wondering if LAX-HNL may be 753-bound...


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

As of this week, the 753 is going to be 12 and 210 config. Thats 210 passengers in coach on a narrow body aircraft !!, they obviously feel that it can do the trick on the leisure routes. The 753 for Continental is really aimed at the sub 4 hour flights. So while I could never rule out HNL runs, I do not see it happening.

J


User currently offlineRandy4920 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

I heard CO is making a big announcement on Monday. Do you know what it is Artsy? Also.... Like asked before but not answered is LOS happening? Does this cover the big secret city CO is announcing this year?

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

CO should just pull F completely from the 753's and call them "Continental Funliners" -- The upgrade situation is never going to make anyone happy at 12/210, so why not market them as full-Y flights?

Fortunately I'm not in FLL anymore so I shouldn't be seeing them much anymore  Smile

There's sometimes advantages to living at a 737 station  Smile Heck, even the 737-500 will now have better upgrade opportunities than the 757-300!

Steve


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

I see it as a smart move. They will get much more revenue out of that aircraft type. They will obviously get the increase in revenue from the added seats in coach, and with only 12 F seats, the people that really want them will pay for them rather than waiting for an upgrade that may not come.

25 ScottysAir : Sllevin, Right, I'm not in FLL anymore and so we are moving to PHX already. It is very wonderful place to live. So what are you think about of you guy
26 Sllevin : the people that really want them will pay for them rather than waiting for an upgrade that may not come. And others will say...well, hard to redeem m
27 MAH4546 : I have no idea regarding CO's plans for MAD-IAH, but I don't believe the US and Spain have Open Skies and Continental has yet to file anything with DO
28 Artsyman : I can do some on an airline where the FFbenefits are better. **** From a domestic travel and unlimited upgrade point of view, there is not a better FF
29 Post contains images Sllevin : From a domestic travel and unlimited upgrade point of view, there is not a better FF program. Which part of losing 12 F seats, and "if they really wan
30 A340Spotter : Randy4920, "Like asked before but not answered is LOS happening?" Probably at some time in the future. And I have heard from a very reliable source it
31 Post contains links and images ConcordeBoy : Continentals Onepass while taking some flak from time to time Ya mean like this?
32 Artsyman : Oddly enough Concordeboy, didn't I hear out of your keyboard that you thought Continentals Onepass was by far the best Domestic ff program ? J
33 ConcordeBoy : ...since you wont quit farting on me until I admit it, here goes: Ahem... "Yes, CO does have the best domestic FFP out there"
34 777gk : Will confirm that the 757-300s are indeed going to 12/210- from a friend of mine down in IAH this is the configuration they figured to maximize revenu
35 IndustrialPate : With apologies and respect to artysman, 777gk and every other CO employee: FlyerTalk's jiburi, not me, authored this but I thought it was so damn funn
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