Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1619 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13730 times:
So USAirways officially is looking into selling one of their hubs and the Shuttle... Interesting... shrinking down is not the answer. But If I had to guess I bet it would be PIT on the chopping block. I wonder who will bid for the shuttle..
Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1619 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13579 times:
Yep, I agree, we've seen this one before, Pan AM, TWA, Eastern-all started selling assets...I'm not a business genius, but I wonder if US is looking to allocate the funds from the sale to a certain account so that when the end comes pensions or other critical expenses are met....or, do they really think by selling they will pull out of this. I do know this was motivated by the unions reluctance to yet a new contract on concessions.
Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13516 times:
US Airways just signed an agreement on 10 gates for Pittsburgh!- Perhpas they should have waited a few days for that press release!
La Guardia and Washington/DCA for certain are the most profitable and noteable US Airways mini hub operations. If La Guardia and Washington/DCA are among those on the list to be sold or liquidated .. look for American and Delta to be two of the main parties interested in the purchase and or sale. American and Delta are the only two U.S. based carieers that have very strong route systems to and from New York City. The exception being Continental Airlines from Newark.
American Airlines has been commited to ongoing growth in the New York region and much more so now that they are intent on muscling JetBlue out of its current position in New York City!
United Airlines would be wise to get involved in the Shuttle market... The problem is that they are not in any financial shape to take on any more service... Especially since this would invlove payment upfront!
US Air Shuttle perhaps will be a prime purchase for Air Tran or perhaps Jet Blue... If they should want to start playing with the big boys!
US Airways hub operations and or status at Pittsburgh seems to change as each month passes on. The one time Pittsburgh fortress has been stripped of much of its former glory and no the airline after a long period of very bad press in Pittsburgh is faced with the challenge of rebuilding its image.. Now, if the airline is forced to step down ..yet again... It surely would not be a wise move to stay in the Pittsburgh market. Look for more low cost growth in the Pittsburgh market over the next several years.. and much sooner should US Airways falter!
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13467 times:
try starting this thread instead of starting the thread usairways wants to sale assets-hubs,shuttle and gates.....ok sell the compound in crystal city, next get century 21 to unload pit, next get rid of that N.E. TRIANGLE SHUTTLE....glen and his crew are chomping at the bit to get david and his henchmen to unload the corridor to ua, next sell the gates(usair owned jetways) to the greater orlando(sanford intl)airport.....gary and his crew in cos sold sanford a deal and they are due a break after that fiscal nightmare.........cheers uadc8contrail
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3243 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13354 times:
What are you talking about?!?!?!?!?
US is not selling anything. In fact there are rumors that US will receive another 60 airbus aircraft over the next 2 years, along with all the RJ's. They are not selling PIT they are just positioning themselves to easily downsize PIT. Just because an airline wants to downsize a hub doesn't mean they are going to sell the entire hub. They may deny the leases and then let the operator of the airport decide who will use the gates.
US is definitely not going to sell the shuttle, LGA, or DCA slots. They are key to the US network and i know they aren't that despirate to sell them. i think your statement that US is ready to sell "Assets, hubs, shuttle, gates" is purely rumor and speculation on your part.
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13308 times:
Usairways85 and N670UW, thanks for airing my concerns too. As I read this post, I was thinking that US has really lost its mind at this point. THe shuttle is a very profitable operation for US. WIthout it, I can't imagine where US would be. THey have spent so much on streamlining the operation, new airplanes etc.
When I did the New Hire training in PIT, we were told that US is very proud of the Shuttle, and one of the reason they lost so much money in 9/11 is because their key airports were closed for a long time. I would have read this sale news myself to believe this one.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13212 times:
US Airways has apparently hired Morgan Stanley as the investment banker to market the assets, so at least one party will be guaranteed to make money on all this. I don't know much about the PIT, PHL and CLT operations but the Shuttle may no longer have the prestige it once did. Demand for this service is down with less business travel and more competition. Delta recently downgraded their own service from new 737-800s that were bought with some fanfare specifically for the Shuttle just a few years ago to older and smaller 737-300s due to reduced demand, AA is operating an ERJ service on a frequent schedule (though not as frequent -- or comfy -- as either Shuttle), and of course we also have the Acela high speed trains now which go from city center to city center. Anyway, I hope this doesn't spell the end for US Air, they have a good operation here at LGA and I'd like to see it keep going.
RiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13194 times:
Historical note I forgot to add. It's sort of been forgotten, but the Shuttle assets were passed around quite a bit in the '80s/early '90s. The US Airways Shuttle is of course formerly the Trump Shuttle and before that the Eastern Shuttle, which was the original. The Delta Shuttle used to be the Pan Am Shuttle, which itself was started specifically to compete with the Eastern Shuttle.
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2062 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13170 times:
Which airline is in a position to buy their shuttle operation?
I don't think AA or UA can due to funding issues. DL obviously can not due to competition issues. It might be lucrative for CO or NW and I think they've got the money for such a venture but since both are wanting to join SkyTeam this year, the competition problem arises again. I really think B6 or FL could make a successful go at the shuttle.
As for selling a hub, I think only NW is in the position to do this and benefit the most.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13150 times:
usairways85, here is the article from Reuters this morning
US Airways seeking big asset sales - NYT
Thursday January 8, 2:30 am ET
NEW YORK, Jan 8 (Reuters) - US Airways (NasdaqNM:UAIR - News) is seeking to sell several assets, including its East Coast shuttle and possibly one of its three hubs, the New York Times said on Thursday, citing people who had been briefed on the airline's plans.
The paper said the airline, which emerged from bankruptcy last March, is considering selling assets because it failed to get its unions to support revisions in its business plan, which would replace the restructuring plan it completed last April.
The airline has retained Morgan Stanley to gauge interest and find potential buyers, according to the Times.
The paper said that among the assets possibly to be put on the block are its shuttle serving Boston, Washington and New York, which operates out of La Guardia Airport; additional gates at La Guardia and Logan Airport in Boston; its regional operation, US Airways Express; and a hub, either Pittsburgh, Philadelphia or Charlotte.
The company could not immediately be reached for comment.
PiedmontGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13108 times:
So USAirways officially is looking into selling one of their hubs and the Shuttle... Interesting... shrinking down is not the answer. But If I had to guess I bet it would be PIT on the chopping block. I wonder who will bid for the shuttle..
I'd like a source for this information. I haven't even heard rumors about this, and something like this would be nearly impossible to keep secret.
This is something I would have to read for myself to believe it. US's management has done some strange things, but this would mean that they had totally lost their minds.
Haveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13022 times:
Calm down people -- this is merely a threat by the US management to get the unions to come to the table for MORE givebacks and work rule changes.
Hiring Morgan Stanley just ads some legitimacy to the threat. To those of you who don't know, US' CEO Dave Siegal has recently publicly admonished union leaders who have been unwilling to compromise. Could be because Dave lied to them repeatedly in the past.
Once the unions do cave, US has plans to add 60 mainline Airbus jets, in addition to the 100+ RJs (E170, etc) that are coming on line over the next year.
So, don't get too excited, neither FL nor B6 will be flying the shuttle anytime soon.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3395 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12947 times:
Just to clarify something about the IT / KPIT), USA - Pennsylvania">PIT hub/gates. I'd have to re-read the release, but I clearly remember coming away from that release that US leased 10 gates long term and went month to month on the additional 40+ gates. It clearly stated that this was the case so US could CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE AIRPORT TO LOWER IT'S COSTS. It does not mean that the impending demise of the IT / KPIT), USA - Pennsylvania">PIT hub is around the corner. It simply leaves thier options open. IT / KPIT), USA - Pennsylvania">PIT would be the ONLY hub they would "sell" in order to maintain a sane business plan. We all bash US for thier financial difficulties while at the same time ridicule them for making decisions that may help them stay in the air. Remember, MANY east coast airports will take a huge hit if US goes under! Take US's share of airport costs away and who do you think will pay them - your airline! I'm not all pro-US and anti-everyone else, but their is a delicate balance that could be greatly disturbed at some very large east coast airports if they go away.
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5528 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12840 times:
I have the perfect buyer for the Shuttle. Remember that recent thread about WN's inability to develop a presence in New York? Hey, it would be easy for WN to afford, and the airline already has experience running a de facto shuttle with its DAL-HOU service.
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2062 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12803 times:
I don't think this is just an idle threat as some have stated in order to compel the unions into more concessions. I've seen this all too many times in the industry. Airline's who are in dire financial straits start selling off assets in an effort to stay alive ie EA, PA, TW. No, this is more than just posturing, it's real. I hope US will survive but it doesn't look good. As for the sale of a hub, I really don't think PIT is a very attractive asset. I'm sure they could get more money for CLT or PHL but those are US's crown jewels. It would be devastating if they had to sell either of those two.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16561 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12535 times:
No one is going to buy PIT or Charlotte, US Airways is going to abandon PIT most likely in September anyway so why pay when you can get it for "free" a few months from now.
Also it's highly unlikely that AA and DL would be allowed to purchase US Airways LGA slots, Government regulators would want someone with a smaller presence in NY and LGA. Look what they were demanding of UAL and US Airways back in 2000, AA and DL are too big at LGA.
NWA, UAL (althought they are still in bankruptcy) , CO, WN, Airtran, B6 are potential bidders for LGA slots.
I also believe that CO may have first dibs on US Airways LGA terminal since they (CO) technically still own it, they have a long term lease with US Airways for the building.
DCA is more wide open, AA, DL, CO, Airtran, WN, are the potential bidders there.
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25 FunFlyer: I think it is horrible that USAir would sell anything, even if they are in bankruptcy.
26 CitationX: It's sad to see US Airways shrink back into the Allegheny-Piedmont regional airlines. Selling off core assets, such as a hub or the Shuttle may be the
27 Uadc8contrail: citationx good post but i didnt know b6 was whipping them out of the ny market??
28 PiedmontGirl: CitationX: It's sad to see US Airways shrink back into the Allegheny-Piedmont regional airlines.... Right now US is not all that much bigger than Pied
29 Greg: I think analysts see this for what it is......pretty much the beginning of the end of US. You can't shrink your way into profitability for very long.
30 CitationX: http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aviationdaily_story.jsp?id=news/sie01084.xml Here's another article on AvWeek's website giving more info
31 Gigneil: Plus US has only token international and trans continental operations, which are totally dependent on the existence of their current hubs. While I agr
32 PiedmontGirl: CitationX: PiedmontGirl - It is especially sad that two really neat airlines, Piedmont and PSA, were sucked down the vortex into the "black hole" of U
33 Luv2fly: Could this very well be another posturing move to send a message to the unions?
34 Logos: Here's a link to a preliminary Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article on the subject http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20040108usairp5.asp I would echo th
35 EA CO AS: US is definitely not going to sell the shuttle, LGA, or DCA slots. Sorry USairways85, but looks like your information is a bit off. Look for CO to be
36 PiedmontGirl: Luv2fly: Could this very well be another posturing move to send a message to the unions? It could be. The problem is that management at US has, for at
37 Akjetblue: So so so sad to see an airline with good intentions not quite making it. Having been rasied in VA Piedmont/US was my hometown airline, its sad to even
38 StevenUhl777: Siegel has messed up somewhat (mainly in how he managed their Chapter 11 emergence in leaving so much undone), but some of his predecessors were worse
39 Logos: Thanks for the comments PiedmontGirl & StevenUhl. Didn't know that about Wolf going to Europe - not hard to see why everybody hated him at US. Here's
40 PiedmontGirl: Akjetblu: I wonder what would happen if EVERYONE in the whole airline agreed to a company wide max salary until the airline starts making money again.
41 WorldTraveler: I doubt very much if CO would be successful in acquiring the US Shuttle if it was made available. CO operates a parallel shuttle (though not named as
42 Aa757first: Question: what is the purpose of CLT? American has MIA and SJU for the Carribean, DFW as the main hub, LAX for Asian flights (right?), and so on and s
43 Tango-Bravo: USAirways is sounding (and apparently about to act) an awful lot like Eastern and Pan Am did as the end neared for them. With all due respect and rega
44 Deltaflyertoo: AA757First: CLT was the result of the merger w/ Piedmont. From what I understand it serves US well in that part of the country. It has good North Sout
45 PiedmontGirl: Aa757first: Question: what is the purpose of CLT? American has MIA and SJU for the Carribean, DFW as the main hub, LAX for Asian flights (right?), and
46 FlyKCRW: I would definitely have to agree that USAir is nearing the end of its course. I really hate to see that. Like akjetblue, I also grew up on Piedmont an
47 EA CO AS: that was reason it was spun off from the Texas Air Group in the 1st place Um, no. EA sold their Shuttle operation to Donald Trump to stay afloat finan
48 Deltaflyertoo: Yeah I too remember the hay day of USAIr and Piedmont. I remember flying USAIr 727s from SFO to PIT in all coach lay out. Getting full meal service, n
49 TOLtommy: From PiedmontGirl - "The salaries paid at US are wildly over estimated. Right now a pilot at Southwest makes more for a 733 than a US pilot makes for
50 WorldTraveler: SFO and OAK are not slot restricted. The gov't will not allow CO to operate a Shuttle operation out of LGA as long as they operate EWR-DCA and EWR-BOS
51 Devil505x: If they are selling assets it may be in anticipation of not getting more pay cuts without a fight! From what I hear at work the pay cuts are going to
52 CO737800: I dont US Air will last much past 2005. That would suck cause from what i hear they are a good airline
53 PiedmontGirl: FlyKCRW: I remember flying PI between West Va. and Houston frequently as a kid; I still encounter a lot of ex-Piedmont folks while jumpeating. Such a
54 Dasheighty: Continental Is supposed to be making some sort of announcement later in the month I wonder if that and US Airways doing what it's doing is somehow lin
55 FlyKCRW: PiedmontGirl: I've seen Bethune's book...I'll have to check it out. CO's turn around was pretty impressive...Bethune obviously learned something durin
56 J32driver: Wow... After reading Bronner's statesment in here: http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20040108usairp5.asp I actually believe that US may die a very
57 PiedmontGirl: FlyKCRW: I've seen Bethune's book...I'll have to check it out. CO's turn around was pretty impressive...Bethune obviously learned something during his
58 Ckfred: I think Donald Trump sold part of the Shuttle to USAir and had USAir take over operations. When he sold the rest, AA put up a bid, but USAir matched i
59 Dasheighty: If US-airways went bust Who would take over their operations? You have a large hub at PHL, CLT, PIT, Numerous other places someone would have to pick
60 FlyKCRW: PiedmontGirl: Evidently Piedmont's high standards for managemen obviously didn't transfer to the surviving company. Too bad. It sure sounds like it wa
61 FA4UA: The second I saw the article from NYTimes this morning I thought... one less hurdle for a UA/US merger. Shedding slots in that triangle (especially in
62 EA CO AS: Quoted from that article referenced above: US Airways Chairman David Bronner, who runs an Alabama pension fund that is the airline's largest single sh
63 USAir734: I agree with those who say this is beginning to look all too much like eastern. It kills me to see another airline have to go down that road, but, it
64 PiedmontGirl: TOLtommy: Can you share your sources? I know WN FA's are paid by the trip, not by block hour. Are WN pilots paid in a similar fashion? I'd like to jus
65 FA4UA: Oh, I'd like to add another group that's pissed off at management at US... as of fifteen minutes ago the flight attendants http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews
66 PiedmontGirl: FA4UA: US had 352 F/As on voluntary furlough. They canceled the VF for these people and are now involuntarily furloughing 352 F/As to take their place
67 JBirdAV8r: Man, all of this happening at once...certainly does not look good (although I haven't been following the situation daily)...it seems like things are s
68 FA4UA: as a flight attendant on Voluntary Furlough at UA... it's fabulous and the FA's at US better fight for this to be evaluated! Peidmont Girl: you're rig
69 PiedmontGirl: FA4UA: Peidmont Girl: you're right... this is so stupid! If they do a VF they'll have higher paid FA's off payroll for a while. If they force people o
70 Esajh: This thread is somewhat ironic with its mix of opinions. First, someone said that US had only a token “International” presence. I can only assume
71 Dasheighty: ESAjh, Ok I agree they have a large Caribbean and south American presence. So did Braniff (South america)...Pan Am had a large International presence
72 N79969: I think this is a very ominous sign for USAirways-- particularly the sale of what I believed to be their crown jewel: the shuttle. That is not the fir
73 MAH4546: “flies to more destinations in the Caribbean than any other U.S. airline.” Only when you include codeshares. American Airlines flys to more desti
74 Dasheighty: I stand corrected....Could someone speculate on my question PPPPPLLLLLLEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE?
75 PiedmontGirl: Dasheighty: OK! OK!! LOL If they go under who takes over their operations...Is it one airline or more? I can't think of any one particular airline. I
76 Deltaflyertoo: Dasheighty: If they go under, the operation will be split up and sold off into pieces... It is unclear as to who would buy what seeing that all the ot
77 Dasheighty: Peidmontgirl, Deltaflyertoo, I thank you. I was begining to feel alone out in the cold....I agree with you however I dont want to see it happen too ma
78 Esajh: MAH4546 I disagree. First thing I said was - well read the statement. Now check out the link and see the cities. 34 Caribbean destinations for US Airw
79 Flyinggizmo: Ok, I feel the need to throw my hat in the ring here... US Airways is undergoing a reorganization right now that has been difficult, to say the least.
80 PiedmontGirl: Flyinggizmo: If you challenge some of our flight attendants about the work rules, say the cleaning of seats that Southwest f/a's do, you will be met w
81 Rthrbeflying86: Also, NW might take PHL as well. This thought crossed my mind as well, both because of fleet commonality (32X and 333) and NW's lack of a strong NE pr
82 Usairways85: No doubt AA beats US in the caribbean hands down, but with what US has to work with i think their operation is becoming like gold. AA has always held
83 Dasheighty: Piedmontgirl, Do I detect a hint of resentment over the events of 1989? Not that I blame you Piedmont should have taken over US air I'd bet any amount
84 Scottb: 'US “flies to more destinations in the Caribbean than any other U.S. airline.”' Not true since US Express/Air Midwest discontinued service to GHB
85 Tommy767: Doesn't the shuttle operation seem a bit overrated? I mean CO already has MANY flights from EWR to DC and BOS so why would they need anymore? I rememb
86 Flyinggizmo: Piedmont Girl... I don't know if those were times you had at PI, but a was recently privy to an incident in which a f/a tried to "help" clean an aircr
87 PiedmontGirl: Dasheighty: You're right: we would not be having this conversation. Resentment? Me? Why heavens no!
88 Lfutia: Would US Express flights like PIT-JST be picked up by PHL? Leo/ORD
89 EA CO AS: At Southwest, you would be hard pressed to find a ticket agent making more than $15/hr. That's not entirely accurate. High seniority agents at WN (11
90 PiedmontGirl: Flyinggizmo: I don't know if those were times you had at PI, but a was recently privy to an incident in which a f/a tried to "help" clean an aircraft
91 Dasheighty: piedmontgirl, FlyingGizmo, don't forget about Mohawk Airlines
92 Flyinggizmo: PiedmontGirl... "Shame on you!" - I stand corrected and ashamed "As far as young goes: I've worked with brand new young flight attendants with the wor
93 DCA-ROCguy: That certainly sounds like Dr. Bronner has decided it's time to "shit or get off the pot," so to speak. Either US gets fixed or they cut their losses
94 FlyKCRW: Rock on PiedmontGirl! You guys were/are the best! Such a shame that good ol' Piedmont got sucked into an outfit like US. Same for PSA, for that matter
95 PiedmontGirl: Flyinggizmo: America in general of late could use a few charm school classes to attend. Amen, Brother. You said a mouthful there! Dasheighty: don't fo
96 MAH4546: I disagree. First thing I said was - well read the statement. Now check out the link and see the cities. 34 Caribbean destinations for US Airways! Tha
97 Dasheighty: Well whatever happens, someone better wake up and smell the coffe and soon before this country is left with 1 airline Think I'm wrong? look at history
98 PiedmontGirl: Dasheighty: That's kind of what I think it's all headed for: One huge horrible airline.
99 TxAgKuwait: Well, if we do get left with just one airline, I expect I will still be able to get to Midland/Odessa or Harlingen. They fly there now. PS - Piedmont
100 FlyKCRW: No need to say more yet, but the way things are going it won't be long before you can add United and Midwest Express to that list.
101 Dasheighty: This is a little off the mark but lets say that there is one airline left in the US Who would it be?
102 PiedmontGirl: TxAgKuwait: I suspect you'll still be able to get to Odessa whenever you want. FlyKCRW: Thank you! I appreciate the kind words!! Dasheighty: One airli
103 N79969: " No way CO gets Shuttle, for antitrust reasons as others have said. DCA up for grabs." I would not say 'no way.' I could see it happening...DL and CO
104 DCA-ROCguy: Rock on PiedmontGirl! You guys were/are the best! Such a shame that good ol' Piedmont got sucked into an outfit like US. Same for PSA, for that matter
105 STT757: "US Airways Considering Asset Sales to Aid Recovery By SUSAN CAREY and SCOTT MCCARTNEY Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Nine months after i
106 PiedmontGirl: DCA-ROCguy: Thank you! I appreciate it! Planes were clean, customer service excellent, simple yet snazzy livery...and competition for US on lots of lo
107 Captaink: US Airways boasts jet service to more caibbean islands than any other carrier. And we are not talking about the GoCaribbean Network, which includes Ca
108 Cody: I have seen this as a passenger on US Airways mainline, as well as a crew member on a US Airways Express Regional Jet. We pull up to the gate (at many
109 PiedmontGirl: Cody: I have more sympathy for your post than you can possibly imagine. I've seen stuff like this happen time after time after time after time after t
110 DCA-ROCguy: After several more minutes and several more apologies to our passengers, a guy came out and marshalled us in. Meanwhile, the gentleman who so rapidly
111 MAH4546: US Airways boasts jet service to more caibbean islands than any other carrier Incorrect. USAirways serves 16 jet destinations in the Carribbean. Ameri
112 Cody: This is a horrible situation! I dreamed about it last night. One things for sure, I am hanging tight to every item I own that has a US Airways logo on
113 Captaink: I stand corrected that AA still has more caribbean jet services. But I forgot to add, that US boasts that jet service from the mainland USA. Come on g
114 PiedmontGirl: DCA-ROCguy: The hell with turnarounds, efficiency...and of course, problems are *all* management's fault. Well......those union rules came into being
115 MAH4546: US Airways boasts jet services to more caribbean destinations, from the mainland US than any other North American carrier. That is once again, incorre
116 DCA-ROCguy: Well......those union rules came into being because management agreed to them. Those rules do not come out of nowhere. They are agreed to as part of c
117 EA CO AS: One airline? I kinda think that outfit down in Texas is a born survivor. Which one? American or Continental?
118 Matt D: actually I was thinking that WN is the "survivor". They've probably had more attempts on their corporate life than anyone else.....and conly come back
119 WorldTraveler: Dasheighty and PiedmontGirl, even if US bites the dust, how many new airlines have been created since the last network airline went out of business? a
120 Matt D: how many new airlines have been created since the last network airline went out of business? Only two that I know of, since the last "major" to bite t
121 Scottb: Adding Caribbean service has been a good strategy for US Airways -- especially the weekend flights which use aircraft that would otherwise sit idle. T
122 Cody: I truly hope USAirways survives. A lot of you on this forum, like me, enjoy stories about the "old days" in aviation. Well that is where US Airways is
123 KYAir: This is my first post here, and how sad it must be on this topic! I remember Allegheny/US and Piedmont from the '70s and '80s flying into HTS. I loved
124 FlyKCRW: Hey KYAir! I grew up in Wayne Co., W.Va. My dad used to take me out to HTS every Sun. after Church to watch the early afternoon PI 737 come in (I thin
125 WorldTraveler: MattD, back up to the early90's and the failure of Eastern and Pan Am. Since then several new airlines like B6 have entered the market and are success
126 Cody: Hey guys! I am glad there are some more West Virginian's on here now. I was feeling lonely. I live up near the Maryland border. Cumberland had lots of
127 Iflyatldl: At the risk of sounding like a broken record, like I said before- things would've been a whole lot different if not better if Piedmont had been left a
128 KLM11: I would bet that CO, NW, and AA will bid on the gates, shuttle e.t.c. --KLM11
129 PiedmontGirl: DCA-ROCguy: Ahhhhh......I see. Now we understand one another. That's a very good thing. KYAir: Indeed I did. I flew out of and through HTS many times.
130 FlyKCRW: Indeed, I hope US does pull through! Incredible story about HTS and that horrible DC-9 crash...wonder what possesed that crew to continue after you an
131 PiedmontGirl: FlyKCRW: What was PI flying to HTS at that time? Boeing 737-200. I can even remember the Captain's name that night. He has since passed away -- he was
132 Cody: PiedmontGirl, Yes Hot Springs still looks like a stationary aircraft carrier. That's a good description. Remember the Johnson & Johnson accident there
133 CO737800: This I Think is the beginning of the end for US Air. Its too bad cause from what I hear they are a good airline. They will end up like some other good
134 PiedmontGirl: Cody: Thanks! I had remembered Hot Springs looking like that and I just wondered if they had done any work, except for repairs, over the years. I see
135 FlyKCRW: Thanks for the reply. Wish I could've met that Captain. The Piedmont crews for me have always been role models, though many other crews from other car
136 AA717driver: Keep in mind that Bronner's primary responsibility is to the RSA. He got into USAir as an INVESTMENT for the RSA. He didn't care what USAir did, he's
137 PiedmontGirl: FlyKCRW: There are former PI pilots who read this board. I know they appreciate you words. AA717driver: I said long ago that Bronner is Carl Icahn wit
138 RJpieces: It sucks but if the employees don't give in more concessions they might just find theirselves at the bottom of another airlines seniority list.
139 EA CO AS: For those of you who now believe US is a Latin America/Caribbean "powerhouse" : (Taken from "Air Transport World," January 2004) U.S. Major Carriers I
140 Flashmeister: I said long ago that Bronner is Carl Icahn with a southern accent. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but... What's wrong with being Carl Icahn with a
141 PiedmontGirl: Flashmeister: Bronner made a business deal -- the fact that he's an outsider doesn't make him any less legitimate. Bronner is not a bad businessman. H
142 Dan2002: EA CO AS- lol! US is definitely not going to sell the shuttle, LGA, or DCA slots. US Airways will never sell their asstets, and this Delta, Continenta
143 Flashmeister: I totally agree, PiedmontGirl, but that's doesn't negate his need to see a return or pull out, which would mean bye-bye US. There's still nothing wron
144 Usairways85: EA CO AS Do these numbers include Mexico. I know CO flies to a number of Mexican destinations from IAH with mainline aircraft and RJ's. I think that i
145 PiedmontGirl: Flashmeister: I totally agree, PiedmontGirl, but that's doesn't negate his need to see a return or pull out, which would mean bye-bye US. There's stil
146 Mariner: PiedmontGirl: Of course, you're right - but then there is "the romance of airlines." Quite sensible businessmen sometimes go weak at the knees at the
147 PiedmontGirl: Mariner: Quite sensible businessmen sometimes go weak at the knees at the thought of having their own airline to play with. I think the thought that m
148 MAH4546: That counteracts the fact they have only have a decent presence in the caribbean. Only decent? Continental Airlines serves fourteen destinations in th
149 MD-90: If US goes under, will that not hurt RSA? I live in Alabama and I hope that US is not a large percentage of RSA's holdings. Even Warren Buffett once i
150 N766UA: What about the folks at Piedmont, Allegheny, Mesa, Air Midwest, PSA, and the like? Won't they be utterly screwed after this?
151 PiedmontGirl: N766UA: Some of the Express carriers are wholly owned subsidiaries of US. Some of them are lease agreements. Mesa, for example, has marketing agreemen
152 Lhr001: US Airways.... Time is running out! LHR001
153 Coronado: The DIP financing from RSA is secured financing ahead of any other creditors and is backed by the Fed loan guarantee as it was put in after the Chap.
154 Scottb: I'm pretty sure the Debtor In Possession (DIP) financing was only applicable while the company was in bankruptcy. Since it's no longer in bankruptcy (