Jmets18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 178 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
Is it me, or does anyone else think that with the retirement of the MD-11, Delta's 8 777's are no where near up to standards of other American based carriers. Look at UAL and American. They've got upwards of 50 777's, and UAL has upwards of 30 747's. The same that is said for Delta could be said for Northwest I suppose. Continental has been consistently adding 777's every year. And they fly there 764's overseas. Delta does not. One would think the loss of 15 MD-11's would hurt Delta in the long run.
Dasheighty From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4739 times:
Well the main question I have is; Delta retired the L-10-11 in 2001 Ok the aircraft has been flying since the 70's and her day is over. The MD!!'s were still a relatively new aircraft I cant see why delta would dump them unless the intend replaceing it with a 747-400 or 767-400's or more 777 right now I think there a little short handed.
Jmets18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4641 times:
Well, they have 69 767-300 ER aircraft. Do you think all of those are used for overseas flights? They have a total of 123 767's. 21 are 764, and 28 are 763. I guess they might have enough for overseas travel. It just seems like they should have a lot more 777's. Why only 8? Because they had the L10-11 and MD-11. Now they're gone. So Delta's gotta be ordering more in the near future.
Gte439u From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 363 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4641 times:
The only route where DL needs the range of the 772 is ATL-NRT, which requires three aircraft for the daily flight. That leaves five 772s for other services, and two more are coming in 2005.
DL has about 130 767s, the world's largest fleet of that type. The 763 is perfectly suited to DL's long-range needs which is really only from the Eastern US to Europe or ATL to Brazil and the Southern Cone. DL is able to fill the 763 up, whereas the 772 would be a streach on most routes.
C17Glbm From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4446 times:
I totally agree with Gigneil
I think Delta is going to further bet on their B767s. A friend of mine is a FO flying DL Triple Seven's. He told me that apparently their is only one DL B777 equipped with crew-rest etc. as monetary issues prevented any further modifications to any other B777. Also, I think the B764 and B777 pay issues were settled sometime last year.
PBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4370 times:
If you want to know where DL's heavies are.. check out the schedules from ATL into FLL, MIA, PBI, MCO and TPA. In season, practically all of these routes are flown with 762's, 763's and 764's. ( Except PBI, we don't get the 764 for some reason).
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4259 times:
Delta uses the 767's to the max right now, you'll see it on short hops, like ATL-JAX, or ones like ATL-CDG..just depends.
But with the demise of the M11 fleet, it basically halved Delta's super longhaul fleet...it just keeps shrinking, especially with the retirement of the L10 in 2001. I hope to see more 777's come online soon..I think they can fill them. So yes, the longhaul fleet is smaller.
The 764's aren't helping though, being in that super dense config, and never getting to go Intl..they really could use that aircraft better. Even though it's the L-1011 replacement.
I had always heard that they were "parking" the MD-11 fleet. Obviously, some are gone to other carriers, but I wish there was the slim chance of a rebound of them...oh well, guess I'll have to settle for the simulator in ATL.
767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4202 times:
I think with the route infrastructure and ops for right now, they seem to be very well off... The 767's they have, well a good many are mid-late 90's examples and they will hold off. The one thing I do expect is Delta to order the 7E7 later on down the line, which around that time (2008-2010) DL will need to re-adjust their fleet according to their needs. Right now they are fine.
Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4129 times:
about 25% of AA, DL, and UA's fleet is in widebodies if you do the math. DL is by far heavier on the 767 which is suited for its predominantly European route system which is very seasonal. AA is big on the 777 while UA throws 747's into the mix. DL probably won't acquire any more 777's than what's on order unless they grow in the Pacific.
I agree w/ 767-332ER that Delta is a prime candidate for buying the 7E7. Given that many of the long range 7E7 capabilities are similar to or better than the 777, it doesn't make sense to buy a bunch of 777's that will only be competitive for 5 years.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4066 times:
Delta does have many heavies. Delta needs a lot more 777s to compete decently over the Atlantic. If I'm not mistaken there are eight in service right now, correct? Well, no matter, Northwest is taking up large orders for the A330, the rival to the 777, in my perspective, and Continental has a significantly larger fleet. Their goals are to compete in the market with AA and UA and CO. AA and UA operate the largest fleets of 777s in the world. Delta needs to buy more Boeing 777s for the international market. They could add more flights to the same destination internationally, plus they could operate more fuel-efficient operations. However, 767-332ER, I will agree with you that Delta will buy the 7E7, since it has a tradition of avoiding Airbus: The only aircraft they ever operated were a small fleet of A310s. The 777-200ER is the MD-11's successor. They must put them to good use. Eight aircraft isn't enough. In my mind, you need at least 12 giant jetliners in order to make good use of the aircraft type.
PilotNtrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3988 times:
but the reason they got rid of the MD-11 was to make their entire fleet twin-jet and to save on fuel cost. The MD-11 would be good on short hops, but it seems that fleet simplification and fuel cost drove it out of DL.