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KL's MD11 In MIA  
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

According to the pics, KLM flight to MIA with MD11's. A have two questions:
1. Are those KL's MD11 equipped with PTV's?
2. Will KL continue flying to MIA with MD11's or they are going to replace it with T7 ?

Thanks


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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Why are they reducing capacity by using a 763 this summer when the demand should be stronger  Nuts or is it just a mistake by expedia?

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

hey

with in the next two years KLM is redoing the MD-11's they are giving them The 777 interior. I dont think that any of the MD-11's have been equppied with this equitment yet.



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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Will they be on the MIA run this summer, or is it really going to be a 763?

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

No KL MD-11s have ptvs.
Still like to know why they are supposedly not operating the MD-11 on the route in the summer?

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineMdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 144 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3590 times:



with in the next two years KLM is redoing the MD-11's they are giving them The 777 interior


Where did you get that info???? Haven't heard any of that from within KLM.... They just decided to keep MD11 until 2012, our union is fighting to get some upgrades to the interior.... Don't believe they are putting 777 interiors in a plane that will be gone within 8 years......
Would make much more sense to put ptv's in our 744's

By the way, i's true MIA will be a 763 this summer shedule


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

According to that info I'll have to say No to KLM's route from MIA, just because I want a PTV in a 8+ hours flight and secondly because I don't want to fly Transatlantic in 767's...I prefer 747's, 777's or A340's. Do you agree?


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User currently offlineMdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 144 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Hard to say, if you don't like the 763 then it's obvious

User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Bongo,

I'm afraid I too agree.BA or VS come before KL on my list. I don't understand why they are putting a 763 on the route for the summer. That is reducing capacity for the high season!!  Nuts
Although 2-3-2 is a good seating arrangement on the 767.


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

No Mdutch... I like 767...but I've flew a lot on AV's 767, so why waste that opportunity to flight in a bigger jet?


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Actually, summer is the slow season for Florida. People like to go to Florida in the winter, when it's cold in Amsterdam, and 80 degrees and sunny in Florida. Summer's in Florida are hot, humid, and, if you are not on the water, pretty lousy.

Steve


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

It might be Florida low season. But it is Europes high season which is when everyone jets off for their summer holiday because the schools are off for weeks( 7 in UK).

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

It might be Florida low season. But it is Europes high season which is when everyone jets off for their summer holiday because the schools are off for weeks( 7 in UK).

It is Orlando's high seasons, Miami's low season. Orlando attracts families, Miami attracts couples and the "jet set". Miami is too expensive for most European families to take a family of 4 or 5 on summer vacation. Miami's tourist season is Halloween through Memorial Day.



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User currently offlineMdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 144 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Have worked on the AMS-MIA flight a few times and most of the times it was completely full with people embarking on cruises out of Miami. Don't know when the high season for cruises is... Just know that KLM usually is very flexible to increase capacity if the demand is there... Given the fact that we even don't do MIA daily at the moment the demand clearly isn't there....

Bongo, I would do the same thing. Doesn't Iberia fly to Colombia using 340's?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Given the fact that we even don't do MIA daily at the moment the demand clearly isn't there....


The demand is there. MIA-AMS is a huge market. The problem is yield. MIA-AMS does not have the yield that most other Miami-Europe markets have. One major reason is that Martinair Holland flies the route as well, also 5x a week, with dirt cheap fares. I doubt KLM makes much money passenger-wise on MIA-AMS, but the cargo yields make up for that.



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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Do KLM operate to MCO? It would make sense.....wouldn't it?

User currently offlineMdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 144 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

sounds very possible to me.
KLM gave AMS-MCO to Martinair mid nineties, probably same problem.. low yield


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

In the UK BA and VS can operate to MCO daily even with the rival charter airlines at SFB.

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3301 times:


MAH4546,

Actually the cargo yields on MIA/AMS are very low. Most of the traffic
that moves are perishables either flowers, ferns or snow peas. Although
they take up a lot of weight/space, the overall yield is very very low.
All of the major European destinations have low yields do to the amount
of carriers vying for the same traffic, AA, BA, VS, AF, LH, AZ, MP.
There is some cargo for the Mid East or Gulf region that carries a
premium, but overall, the cargo rates are extremely low in most
cases $0.50USD per KG. When the flight started up as a NW DC10,
I did the cargo sales for this route so this is first hand info, not guesses
as most post tend to be.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

In the UK BA and VS can operate to MCO daily even with the rival charter airlines at SFB.

First off, the Orlando-UK market is much larger than the Miami-Netherlands market.

Secondly, as you said it yourself, they are rival charter airlines. Not scheduled service. It is a totally different situation. BA and VS are not under that pressure to match fares with charter carriers, who sell seats as part of vacation packages.



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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

My comment was about why KL don't operate to MCO because of martainair when BA/VS can with TCX, BY, MYT etc.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

My comment was about why KL don't operate to MCO because of martainair when BA/VS can with TCX, BY, MYT etc.

Martinair Holland's flights to Orlando and Miami are scheduled flights, not charter services. They offer, on average, low fares on thier trans-Atlantic flights. KLM Royal Dutch is often found matching these fares. Miami is a higher-yielding market commanding higher fares, so it is not as much an issue. Plus, Miami has excellent cargo yields and a larger to>>Europe market. Orlando does not offer those advantages. Competing would make little sense.



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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

But surely KLMs service is superior to Martinairs leaving people happy to pay the extra for the better service on a long flight to MCO/MIA.

User currently offlineMia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

The cargo yields cannot be that bad. Doesn't Martinair run a few MD-11F flights through MIA to Latin America/Caribbean? (I know they have the MD-11s there just not sure how many...at least 2).


MIA777
User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3188 times:



Mia777,

Yes the cargo yields are that bad. Martinair fills the freighters at the
origin points in Central and South America, they only provide a minimal
amount of lift direct MIA/AMS. Also believe it or not, a lot cargo is
trucked from MIA to Sanford for the multitude of charter flights out
of there. Rates ex-SFB are in the $0.35USD per kg range.
Transatlantic rates in General are notoriously low, only the Mid East,
Gulf, African cargos carry the premium.



Cargo doesn't whine, moan, or complain
25 Bongo : Mdutch: Yes, IB flights to Colombia are with A340 (A340-600 for these days!!!) but I want to fly from US to Europe since I flew with IB a couple of ti
26 Gte439u : But surely KLMs service is superior to Martinairs leaving people happy to pay the extra for the better service on a long flight to MCO/MIA. Generally,
27 ScottishLaddie : I take it Florida isn't a particularly popular holiday destination with the Dutch if KL/MP use 763s and BA/VS can fill up 744s
28 MAH4546 : I take it Florida isn't a particularly popular holiday destination with the Dutch if KL/MP use 763s and BA/VS can fill up 744s Florida is a very popul
29 Spl : Latest news on the KLM MD11 fleet... KLM MD11 PH-KCI "Mother Teresa" has had it's D-check and is returning service in full new colors!!! This Saturday
30 ScottishLaddie : So where are the MD-11s operating this summer?
31 SPL : Hello, Here is the KLM MD11 schedule for this summer, but changes are made every ones and a while... So maybe I'm wrong or forgot some, feel free to a
32 Killerbabe : I flew the route a couple of times now with KLM's MD-11 and most of the time a lot of seats were empty.So a down-turn to the 767-300ER is a good choic
33 GoAibusGo : Here in Bonaire the KLM MD-11 fly almost every day 4x a day. The MD-11s make stops here en route to either Lima or Quito/ Guayaquil. They refuel and c
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