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What Other Country Could Take Multiple Majors?  
User currently offlineORBITJFK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

What other country could have multiple majors like the US? I think Britain and Canada should have another major. What do you think?

ORBITJFK

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User currently offlineUnited4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 291 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

IMHO this is more equivalent to Europe having multiple majors which it does.

Mike


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Britain already has multiple majors... as does Japan, China, Brazil, Mexico, etc

Canada tried and failed (hell, look where they are now)



User currently onlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2091 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

I thought the UK did, i.e VS. It may not be the same size as BA but VS certainly gives it serious competition on a number of international routes. Which other European country has that?

On Domestic/European BMI give BA some tough competetion, again out of LHR like VS. Plus don't forget U2 and FR.

Furthermore, the European market may not be as integrated as the US one, but we have our big three in the form of BA, AF and LH. I've flown KL as an alternative to BA and my parents have flown LH.



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineSkytrain From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 297 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

I agree, Canada definitely needs another major, or at least someone else to start running international service, for no other reason than to give people another choice besides Air Canada. I hate getting railroaded into flying with them, its something of a pet peeve.

I'm curious to see how this new airline "Zoom" does against AC. Apparently they are set to do scheduled service to Glasgow and London (Gatwick) from Ottawa, Halifax, Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary. They also intend to offer charter service to Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, the US, Jamaica, T&T, Grenada and Barbados. Fares are pretty reasonable too, about $500-600 CAD r/t to LGW. Service is set to begin may 2004 I believe.

http://www.flyzoom.com/

Has anyone heard anything else about these guys?

Cheers - Skytrain.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

On Domestic/European BMI give BA some tough competetion, again out of LHR like VS. Plus don't forget U2 and FR.

Isn't FR considered Irish rather than British, the STN hub notwithstanding?




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User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Australia definitely. We used to have 2 majots for such a long time and it worked fine. Now we are stuck with 1 major and 1 LCC. We could definitely use another full service carrier here.

User currently offlineRegis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

For the record: Brazil no longer has multiple major carriers. Transbrasil is no longer, VASP is on the verge of liquidation, GOL is LCC and VARIG and TAM are merging. We're down to one major carrier: the VARIG-TAM fusion.

[Edited 2004-01-09 02:39:25]

User currently onlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2091 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

PROSA, you're right that FR is an Irish carrier, but it does have a major STN hub. But that merely shows the fact that Europe is a single market, at least for internal flights in the EU. Even internationally, the fact that people in the UK think nothing of flying via CDG, AMS, FRA, MUC, etc rather than LHR shows that European majors do provide effective competition. Also, within the EU the UK has the most competitive airline market. As I said above, which other EU country has two majors?

BA took BCal out of the equation in 1988, but VS has spent the last 20 years building up an international network to the extent that it will finally compete on services to Australia, albeit by the longer routing via HKG. Likewise BMI has done the same on key routes from LHR, as I said above.

AF was able to take over both UTA and Air Inter - imagine if BA had taken over BMI as well as BCal!



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Untill the merge takes place (or not) Brazil still has two major airlines Varig and Tam.

Other countries that could/need use a second major are:

Australia, Argentina, South Africa, India, Russia, Canada, France, Italy, Germany.....

Rgs,

Neo



User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

I'll believe Zoom's big plans when they actually start. Lots of other airlines have had similar ideas in the past that have failed to deliver. Then there's this Aero Falcon outfit that's planning to fly B747s from all across Canada to all over SE Asia. So far they don't even have permission to fly to any the countries they listed - or any airplanes.

User currently offlineSkytrain From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 297 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

I must admit that I am a little skeptical about zooms plans too - only time will tell I suppose.

None the less I'd like to see another Canadian carrier with international ambitions get off the ground and give Air Canada a run for its money on at least a few of its routes.

Cheers - Skytrain.



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User currently offlineMaehara From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Other countries that could/need use a second major are:
Australia, Argentina, South Africa, India, Russia, Canada, France, Italy, Germany.....


South Africa certainly has plenty of competition on domestic routes with Comair (BA franchise) & Nationwide both keeping SAA on their toes.

On international routes, Nationwide seems to have the ambition (recently started JNB-LGW 3-weekly with a 767), but it'll be a while before we see if they can pull it off...


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