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Lufthansa Increasing Amman And Beirut Service  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Starting March 29, Lufthansa will be increasing frequencies to both Amman and Beirut.

Amman currently operates at 4x weekly frequency (2x weekly A319, 1x weekly A320, 1x weekly A321) and will be upgraded to 5x weekly A319 (daily except Mondays and Thursdays).

Beirut currently operates at 6x weekly (daily except Wednesdays) A319s and will be upgraded to daily A320.

For the summer season, Lufthansa greatly increases service to both Amman and Beirut.

Last summer, Amman saw A320s and A321s while Beirut saw a mix of A321s and A300-600Rs.

Regards


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

good news, thanks for the report BA.

Was there really an LH AB6 at BEY? THat would have been nice to see.



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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

It seems to me that they aren't increasing the capacity to Amman, it's an upgradre to the frequency alone.

User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2182 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Will LH still operate at those ridiculous night hours? I know they do it to make early morning connections through FRA possible, but I was always wondering whether they wouldn't attract more pax if they departed from BEY at 8.00am, that would make an arrival into FRA around 11h00-11h15 possible, with all the North American and European destinations served at the 13h00 peak.

Anyone knows what "consumer behaviour" is regarding those night departures? People must dread them, no?


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

I was about to say the same thing Mozart. Those odd hours are a pain for tourists and there are tons of other airlines now serving BEY regularly in more convenient times.
I think they should change it or else they would suffer.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

There are several reasons for these "odd hour" rotations, some of them were already stated:

- optimization of feeder connections for domestic and continental flights (early morning outbound from FRA, evening inboudn to FRA)

- optimization of aircraft use (the planes would otherwise be sitting idle on the ground during the night at FRA or at BEY, if a 0800h departure would be introduced)

- crew costs and safety (some rotations, e.g. TLV are flown with just one crew on the outbound and inbound leg especially due to security concerns about a possible crew alyover in an arguably not so stable region)




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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

In terms of number of seats per week, Amman will be increasing from 584 to 630 and Beirut will be increasing from 756 to 1050. So both will be seeing increases.

Of the European carriers serving Beirut, only Air France, and Alitalia's Thursday and Friday flights, and Snowflake flights arrive and depart during the day. British Airways (British Mediterranean) arrives at night and departs the next day early in the morning.

All other European flights arrive and depart after midnight or just before midnight.

As TriStar500 said, it's so they can be timed for connections.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

and those horrible times on european carriers should be a reason for tourists to use ME, with much better schedules (especially inbound to BEY)

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

AF022,

True, if you are in BEY and want to go to FRA or vice versa, it makes more sense to fly MEA for the better, more reasonable times.

LH's flight is mostly filled with people from North America, South America, and other parts of Europe.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineJs From Malta, joined Aug 2001, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

I recently traveled on the 3:00 am departure from Amman to Frankfurt. A dreadful time to start a trip. I was completely bleary eyed stumbling around FRA at 6:30 am.

User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

You are right Js,

I have taken such similar flights and I try to avoid them as much as possible nowadays.
The BA flights are not that bad anyway, they have an early morning departures from BEY.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

For my last visits to BEY, I've always been flying BA and only once LH.

I slept on the LH flight the whole time, so that helped.

I will be trying the AF/ME combination in the future.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Shame on you BA, I'm disappointed.
Just kidding.

Seriously though, sleeping helps a lot but I can't do it, I never did. A lot of people still use LH for their trips to the Americas and Europe. It's got to do a lot with their reputation.

Best regards.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

I usually can't sleep on planes either, but I was absolutely exhausted. I ate the dinner they served and just dropped dead and woke up when they announced the beginning of the descent into FRA.

LH's service is good, but the flight attendants on the BEY-FRA segment were absolutely horrible. They were very rude (not to me because I never asked for anything, but to other passengers) and inefficient.

But on FRA-DEN, they were fine.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

BA,MEA,and AF offer convenient times for flying to Europe.
I'm not sure if AF still operates the additional flight in the summer,operated with a 747.It arrives to BEY around 10pm,&leaves to Paris the next day at 10am;quite a good connection for the Americas.

MEA310



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User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Alitalia also has increased their service to Beirut from 7x weekly to 8x weekly. This summer season will be very successful for Beirut in terms of tourism and air traffic. Airlines are already starting to prepare in anticipation of the summer season.


MEA321
User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

I fly between Detroit and Frankfurt with LH frequently, their service is superior to all of the other international carriers at DTW (NW, BA, KLM.) However, one thing that really upsets me is the fact that Royal Jorandian is flying 2x weekly to DTW via ORD. Their flights are absolutely full! My roomate recently made a trip through Detroit and tells me that there was no open seats and about 25 people on the waiting list.

There is definitely a market there for MEA, I just hope that things work out for them soon so that we might see the Cedar tail parked in DTW.

MEA321



MEA321
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

MEA321,

We all have stated that MEA wants to return back to North America and they will do so as soon as they get the "political clearance".
Do you think becoming an SkyTeam partner will help their cause?


User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

I defintely think that the Skyteam alliance will make it easier for travelers to go back and forth from North America to Lebanon. However, there might be a chance that the U.S. government might re-assess MEA if Delta petitions for a new evaluation. Lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that the alliance goes through, because a lot of good things will come out of it.

MEA321



MEA321
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2945 times:

MEA310,

AF no longer operates the Wednesday night 747 flight. It's only a summer seasonal service.

It will return this summer season again as usual, perhaps even 2 days of the week instead of only on Wednesday.

Regarding MEA to the US, there is a political reason of why MEA is not allowed to fly to the US and why US carriers aren't allowed to fly to Lebanon. I don't want this thread to go political. MEA321, if you'd like to know the reason why, email me.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

I think I know what you are talking about, and I agree with you we should not bring politics into this thread.

In any case, about 80 percent of the pax traveling on the Royal Jordanian flight from DTW-AMM are onward connections to Lebanon. While RJ offers the most convenient flight to the Middle East from Detroit, it would be far easier for passengers to fly MEA directly to Beirut. Around the month of June and July MEA could easily fill an A330 four times a week just from Lebanese people going to Lebanon for the summer. Lufthansa was considering a second daily flight last summer that would have increased their frequency FRA-DTW to 10x weekly.

One of the biggest complaints I hear from people traveling from Detroit to Beirut through Europe is the long connection times, sometimes up to 14 hours!

MEA321



MEA321
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

I have always thought a DTT opportunity for ME would be a BEY-CDG-DTT flight, as AF doesn't fly to Detroit and AF could codeshare on the CDG-DTT sector. NW's DC10 DTTCDG service must be vulnerable. I mean the aircraft can't hold a candle to ME's sweet A330s.

Any thoughts on this? Nonstop to BEY would be the best, but wouldn't daily BEY-CDG-DTT have a better shot of operating with good loads than a possibly seasonal less-than-daily DTT-BEY flight?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

My personal opinion is a DTW route would be non-stop or via JFK.

I think BEY-JFK-DTW would be a good idea. Or do something similar to what RJ does. Operate BEY-JFK separately and BEY-ORD-DTW or BEY-DTW-ORD.

Chicago also has a large Lebanese population as well as Southern California.

My gosh......how'd we get from a Lufthansa increasing Amman, Beirut topic to an MEA serving US topic?  Smile

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2826 times:

Sorry guys...It kinda started drifting towards Royal Jordanian, which prompted why MEA doesnt challenge their flight America since its mainly Lebanese who keep this flight full.


MEA321
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

I am doubtful that we will see a lifting of the sanctions on MEA flying to the U. S. of A.

Although my trips to Lebanon always consist of stopping in london geneva and istanbul first because of tradition and business, if MEA were to have a flight going from BEY to anywhere in North America I would challenge my status quo and get on it.



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