Iflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3 Posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3130 times:
Is the demand for the Air Shuttle as large as it was just ten years ago? Since 9-11, corporations have cut back in non-essential travel and with the advent of Tele-Conferencing, even more so. I know there's a demand for it on some level-just not what it used to be. And in some cases, it's easier to take Amtrack. Any thoughts?
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Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3115 times:
I think it is to some extent, tho not what is was before we had the technology that we now have. Also the train goes from city center to city center, no security hassles. The time they are a changing and the airlines have yet to realize this.
Jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
I was quite surprised to read that US Airways is considering dumping these routes. For the most part its a prestige thing; the shuttle is up there with routes such as JFK-LHR and aircraft such as Concorde.
Sure there is less demand since 9-11, just like there is less demand for air travel all around. Unfortunately for us, demand for the shuttle isn't down, demand for air travel between all cities is down.
Sad for USAirways is the fact that selling LGA slots, the terminal, and the shuttle probably means the end is much closer than any of us thought. LGA is the crown jewel in their east coast network. This network was the only strength they had going for them.
COEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1074 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3084 times:
Sort of has nothing to do with the topic, but I took the Amtrak from Washington to EWR and it was so much easier than flying. I got to Union Station about 20 minutes before the train. Didn't have to wait to go through security and got on the train and in 3hrs I was there. Not to mention I had a wide seat a lot of leg room and could get up and take a walk to the dining car if I got hungry. All of this was for $75 when CO wanted almost $350.
Honestly I would prefer to fly any where any day but from a business persons point of view The Amtrak is a great alternative to flying the NE Corridor. I could very easily see the demand for the shuttle not being as great especially with the features on the Acela.
Also how much does the Amtrak affect the DCA-BOS shuttle. I would not think it would be affected as much because that is almost a six and a half hour ride by train.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3051 times:
Demand has definitely lessened on the DCA-LGA-BOS shuttle routes. Just look at DL, which quietly moved its brand new 738s elsewhere in favor of old 733s. Competition from AA Eagle, the introduction of the Acela, and post-9/11 airport hassles have further eroded the key business passenger base that was once the exclusive domain of the DL and US shuttles. I'm not saying it's no longer profitable, but I doubt it's the cash cow it once was. I would not be surprised to see 70-100 seaters replace 737s and A320s on shuttle routes at some point in the not-too-distant future, nor would I be surprised if DL or US (or US's successor, should the shuttle be sold off) decided that some off-peak LGA/DCA slots could be better used for other routes instead of maintaining an hourly shuttle service.
Iflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3012 times:
I was thinking the same thing. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if at some point, the shuttle is operated by RJ's in one form or another. And the train is becoming a more attractive alternative because of the lack of Security Headaches and puts the pax in the town center.
PS- Loved your CO Press Release !
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SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2498 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2936 times:
As said in previous posts, shuttle demand definitely has experienced a passenger flow change.
But, even though I respect that you guys are concentrating on US Shuttles mainly, I'll remind you that there are many airlines all around the world operating shuttles between certain cities. And in some of those cases, shuttle operations are actually recovering and gaining more demand.
I'll give the case of my country. Avianca operates a shuttle between Medellín and BOG of 15xdaily frequencies with a mix of MD-83 and 757s, they keep adding more capacity, and frequencies may be elevated to 17xdaily by June this year. The thing is, you guys in the US have lots more options (like Amtrak, fast highways, etc) to take instead of the air shuttle. But to us, the absolutely best option is flying.
So, within the US, I guess that demand for Shuttles has decreased, but this may not be the case in several countries outside, although considering the general impact that aviation has suffered.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
There will always be demand for the Shuttle though. For a combo of a lot of factors demand is down now. However, the train is NOT easier than flying. From midtown Manhattan to downtown Washington is SUPERQUICk on the Shuttle.