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EK To YYZ?  
User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

One of the potential route for EK A345 is suggested to be YYZ on the Emirates website.

Does anyone have any more information on this potential route? When it will start up?

Cheers!!!


[Edited 2004-01-10 02:34:13]


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User currently offlineAlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Personally I would be VERY Surprised to see EK in YYZ. Let's see how they do with JFK first!
Mind you I think a YYZDXB route would be great..all the connection possibilities and avoiding USA/Europe.
cheers!
Alek


User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Personally I would be VERY Surprised to see EK in YYZ.


I see..... I would love it and would not at all be surprised. Toronto is one of the main business capitals in North America and rich Arabian businessmen would use EK to fly here!

Cheers!!

Martin



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User currently offlineEKFirstClass From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

What I hear is that YYZ might start before JFK. JFK was pushed back few times already. So far EK managed to jump from "we'll fly to the States in 2003" to "we plan to start a JFK service in May 2004". God knows! Anyway! North America is a huge market. The competition between the airlines can bring only good things to the passengers.
Cheers!


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4786 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

EK will give AC a massive headache in YYZ as its flight will be nonstop and since they have a superior F-J-Y class inflight product than AC and its partner LH. Plus flight are likely to be daily or at least 4 weekly!!!

EK will take a lot of AC-LH pax mkt share bound especially for PAK-INDIA and the Middle East and not to mention other routes to East-Southern Africa, BKK-SIN-KUL-CGK and CMB-MLE-DAC.

I wouldnt be surprised if AC lobbies hard to the Canadian Govt making life miserable for EK in YYZ.


User currently offlineYYZ4RADD From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Any superior than AC airline has been given a difficult time by AC in YYZ or even UL / CYUL), Canada - Quebec">YUL. Is one of the reasons many majors dont fly to YYZ. Also the airport landing fees are so high and the yields so low, its not worth it for the airlines to drop in on YYZ.

If the protection controls on AC were removed by the Cdn govt, then AC will have to seriously upgrade their product offering to compete with other World Class airilines. AC is not bad and is among the best in North America but in comparison with other world class products like CX, Singapore, EK, Asiana, JAL, UL, BA, MH, AC is quite far behind.

AC is not bad but was once an airline which always had the latest plane. I for one am sad to see AC not get delivery of the A345 and A346, since those two in the fleet would have helped AC a great deal to compete with the world majors and focus on international ops like YYZ-DEL, YYZ-HKG, YYZ-SYD, YYZ-DXB, YYZ-Beijing, these routes would bring in a lot of money for AC I belive, there is enough demand but less seats or not existent in some cases.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4786 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Even though AC will get the A340NGs sometime in the future...theyre not going to make it more lavish by having PTVs in every seat and increasing seat pitch in Executive First Class nor having sleeper 180 degree recline beds in this premium class!!! They failed to take this initiative when they ordered new A 333s and A 343s which was surprising.

EK has YYZ and YVR in its immediate sights though I hope that YVR is not flown nonstop from DXB (which is planned by the way!!!) as that will be too long a flight. YVR should be served via LGW or CDG...the latter preferably due to less competition on the route.

One thing surprising to me is that since the US Govt is giving EK uncalled for problems which is delaying its inaugural USA flight to JFK...why cant EK just put shove it to the side and start YYZ flights ASAP!!!

To counter ACs nonstop-convienient flight to DEL from YYZ...EK can come out with a competitive fare matching AC and also put it a free 24 hr hotel+visa stay in DXB extendable to 48-96 hrs for a minimum surcharge etc.

Not only AC will suffer from YYZ with EKs entry but so will SU-BA-LH-AF-KLM and LX (from YUL) as these carriers carry 1000s of Indian-Pak-Arab-Bang-Srl pax per year from YYZ-YUL to their homeland.

Added to this is the fact that TURKISH AIRLINES will start nonstop BA), Turkey">IST-YYZ flights 3 times a week from May and they fly to KHI-DEL-DXB-RUH-JED-BEY-BKK-SIN etc too.


User currently offlineYYZ4RADD From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

I agree with Behramjee. EK is like a Bull in a china shop. When it enters the joint, everybody notices and has an effect. Look at MAN and LGW for that example, even ACC, SYD, SYD-AKL, MEL, Perth, etc.

I am sure EK will have some fantastic offers to promote their famous FLY - BUY - DUBAI themes. They always do. They will offer something to entice the South Asian passengers and the Middle eastern passengers, who regard EK with high status compared with other airlines.

AC is the only airline with A343 and A333's I have flown with cloth in place of where the PTV's should be. First of all it looks ugly and second it gives a hint of something that was there but taken out to the lame onlooker. Its the first thought that comes to anybody's head when you look at the cloth filled PTV seatbacks.

Other than that the A343 / A333 are ok with AC. AC really should give some more benefits to the customer. Who knows why they didn't include PTV's, the unions complained, Milton was getting a bonus that particular year or who knows maybe Mulroney and buddies got the millions in commmission for the infamous Airbus deal and maybe that is why AC had to cut the PTV's out. LOL!!!!

Another airline to watch out is Aero Falcon (if it ever takes off the ground) Last I heard its operating on South Asian time, so February really means December according to that system. (LOL!!) At least in the middle east they say Inshallaha to everything and delay it to the worst possible. These guys just stay silent LOL!!!!!


Regards,

YYZ4RADD


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Not to sound bad or anything but YYZ4RADD you sound a lot like Yyz717....just the stuff about the Cdn Government!

I would have to say that AC is a good airline in the likes of Canadian's, but in the big picture, they are lacking some perks that others have...ie PTV's. With out spending money how can they increase their value....as other airlines seem to be adding these features to make you want to fly them?

Grant




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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

I wouldn't be too worried with Aero Falcon to be quite honest. However, because nobody really cares about them, maybe they will be a force to be reckoned with! I wish them well, but we'll see.

I too hope EK will fly to YYZ, but I wonder about what yields they will generate. I agree with Behramjee that it could take a slice out of AC and LH's long-haul connection traffic, as well as BA and others. If they position themselves as such, they might increase their likelihood of success.

Also, once EK starts flying to YYZ, maybe it will spark the interest in other Middle Eastern airlines, notably Qatar and Gulf Air.



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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

The only logical destination from YYZ to the middle east (other than TLV) is Beirut.

Very good location for connections throught the Gulf and the levant. but as we all know, MEA is not allowed to fly to Canada (for whatever reasons...)

EK will have a hard time building an idendity here in Toronto. Most North Americans are quite ignorant and most have never hear of a country called UAE (let alone the airline Emirates).

And right now, there is quite a bit of competition on the Indian market. EK will lose so much money operating to YYZ. Dubai is known in Europe, but not in Canada. how do you get any tourists??? when I was in Dubai, I met many canadians who teach or are oil executives (mostly fly from YYC).

If EK wants to use that flight only to get transit passengers, than the flight will generate good loads...but no yields at all. It would be a money loser.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4786 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Remember one thing...EK main pax from YYZ will be transit pax (85%+ definite) and they will not only come from Eastern Canada but Eastern-Central USA too if EK can form a partnership with a US airline or AC to fly them to YYZ as anyways you dont need a transit visa for CAN if you have a US passport or US Residency (Green card).

Another reason why EK will do well from YYZ is BECAUSE OF ITS MARKETING BUDGET & STRATEGY. They are known to be the airline with the biggest and most lavish marketing budget-spending habits with numerous ads-sponsorships etc etc. For example, if EK start YYZ in June 2004, you can guarantee that at least 2-3 big events taking place in YYZ up til 2004 will have a major EK sponsorship etc-presence etc.

And as for GF or QR coming to YYZ...earliest end 2005-mid06 I reckon.


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

EK will have a hard time building an idendity here in Toronto. Most North Americans are quite ignorant and most have never hear of a country called UAE (let alone the airline Emirates).

Yegbey01, not to cut you down but have you been to YYZ in a while, please don't be offended but here in toronto i see people from all walks of life and I work with people from India. Actually i am taking a guy from work to the airport on the 15th he is traveling YYZ-DEL on AC, that direct flight. I mentioned to him that EK might be coming to YYZ and he lit up like a christmas tree. A fellow photographer here in YYZ took them last year and said it was the best airline he has been on, and for many reasons. Now i do spend a lot of time at the airport and in and out of the terminal and in a evening its very rare to see any "white" people in T3. Most are going home or to vistit their native land. As well the AC YYZ-DEL-YYZ route has sustained sold out numbers for months...currently its two months and been keeping this two month buffer for a while. There is a great demand on traveling overseas. I know that EK will be successful if their price reflects their quallity and their product. If they are priced too high there are alternatives, but priced right....they will do very well.

Another example is another person from work (my boss) went last winter from YYZ-FRA-DEL on LH, then LH from DEL-FRA and then AC 873 FRA-YYZ. On his return leg, he spent 24 hours away from his house in DEL and his house here in YYZ. So if EK cuts down on wait times and connection hasseles....that is another strong factor!

Again is the US traffic....see people connecting into YYZ as well....oh and a reason for EK not to fly into the US, is the whole arimarshal thing....easier to fly into canada, and make pax find their own way to the states?

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Gmonney,

I live in Toronto dude!!!

My point was that Transit traffic only gives you good loads.. what about yields?


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

My point was that Transit traffic only gives you good loads.. what about yields?

Since when did EK care about yields?


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

An EK route to YYZ would capture traffic to the Eastern Arab countries, Pakistan, India & Iran. YYZ is a sizeable enough market for EK.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

I am an Indo-Canadian and fly to India every so often to visit relatives etc. I have flown on EK, LHR-DXB-HYD-DXB-LHR, simply amazing! Many of the travellers approx. 80% were originating in North America.
Let me assure those that the market within the South Asian Community of 350,000 strong in the GTA is very much anticipating the arrival of EK to the Toronto market. I don't see any problems with EK even going daily with the 340-500s.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4786 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Canadians may not know what UAE is or what it stands for but trust me, those Canadians who have travelled frequently to Europe-Asia etc know what EMIRATES is.

As long as the Desi-Arab and Oriental community in YYZ know what EK is...then that is what EK wants. EK will not be AI version 2 carrying pax YYZ-LHR-YYZ so their main concentration will be the 3 communities listed above.

EKs new A 345s are simply amazing and will be very much liked by YYZ and regional pax flying on it. The only nerdy part of their flight is its length 14 hrs nonstop which for me is too long  Big grin UNLESS I FLY First Class on the A 345  Big grin

By the way even if EK is 50-100$ more to Arabia-South Asia and Far East...trust me a lot of pax in YYZ will be willing to dish out the extra $$$ for a good IFP compared to what AC-LH-KLM have to offer ex-YYZ!!!

AC now will have EK and TK to contend with come May 2004!!! TK too didnt take up the initiative by installing flat beds in F-J class and ptvs in eco class with their A 343s...I hope they do so on their expected A 332 order and then refurbish and upgrade their A 343s at the same time.

I can just imagine YYZ airport being flooded with 100s of airplane lovers the day EKs A 345s touches down its 1st flight...it will be just like the Concorde last flight day though fewer ppl for sure.


User currently offlineWhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
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YYZ4RADD

Why would the unions have anything to do with whether or not there are PTVs in the back of seats. You sound alot like Milton. Its not the end of the world, read a book!!


User currently offlineYYZ4RADD From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

I was planning on applying for his job!! LOL!

Unions do have a powerful influence on even little things like that!


User currently offlineEKFirstClass From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

I know for sure that Emirates is preparing the final steps for the North American market. And that includes YYZ. People often forget that EK is a comercial airline. They won't fly anywhere just for the sake of sightseeing! Lots of people said that they've done a huge mistake opening DME few months ago. I've been actually on a DME flight with just 32 pax in a A330 (18F/42B/183Y). But that was for only a couple of weeks. Now is hard to find an empty seat to/from DME and Emirates is sending sometimes B777-300 (18F/42B/320Y) to cover the bookings.
From this point of view, hats off to their marketing department!  Big thumbs up



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Canadians may not know what UAE is or what it stands for but trust me, those Canadians who have travelled frequently to Europe-Asia etc know what EMIRATES is.

As long as the Desi-Arab and Oriental community in YYZ know what EK is...then that is what EK wants.


I agree completely with Behramjee. There is a huge market in YYZ of Indians, Pakistani's & Iranians who would flock to EK flights at YYZ. There has been a serious lack of reliable flight options to South Asia from YYZ. Air-India and PIA have had unreliable schedules. Bankrupt AC just started nonstop to DEL which sometimes stops at ARN for refeuling...no one has any illusions that this route cant be yanked by an incompetent AC mgmt at short notice.

Once EK commenced YYZ service, w their reputation you would see East African & Western Arab customers flocking to the EK flights, as well as some Aussie passengers if the price was reasonable.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

A question of when not if.Have EK given any more indications on the start date?

User currently offlineEKFirstClass From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

A question of when not if.Have EK given any more indications on the start date?

June - July 2004... It might be earlier if they don't get the OK for JFK.


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