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Airbus For Air Canada For How Long?  
User currently offlineYOW4NOW From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

With the recent decision to purchase 90 RJ's, the assumption must be made that heavy reductions will be made with the main-line fleet. Air Canada has quite a few Airbus aircraft. What will become of them? These 90 aircraft can't be seen as an addition to their fleet, so obviously the Airbus fleet will be severly reduced. Right now, the two pilots unions are fighting it out. Who will win? What other airline(s) might be interested in picking up some used Airbus aircraft?


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User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

Well they will get rid of their 737's first I would think. Maybe move some of the 320's in with Zip. The BA's will be gone too.

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

The 737 fleet is set for a very rapid departure from Air Canada.... The CRJ decision from Air Canada will not have anything near the impact that so many people are saying. Remember that Air Canada has invested billions in its Airbus fleet which now has grown to include:

A340
A330
A321
A320
A319

Keep in mind the 767's are being phased out as more A340/A330 aircraft arrive into the Air Canada fleet!

Air Canada's Airbus fleet is going nowhere anytime soon!


LHR001


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

737's are unfortunately leaving the fleet, but it makes sense. The CRJ 200's will likely go to Jazz. I'm willing to bet that the 705's and the Embraers will go to the mainline fleet. This does not really change the importance of the Airbus fleet at Air Canada. This will not change anytime soon either.

What I want to see is the direction Air Canada takes in the next decade. The 7E7 will come out, and be a very attractive replace ment for the 767's and even A330's. At that point, it's a question of what to do in the A340 and 744 market.

Anything could happen really, but I don't believe Air Canada will ever be an all Airbus operator.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3901 times:
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AC have more Airbuses then Boeings. AC's future fleet might be all Airbus for short to long range and CRJs and ERJs for Regional flights. AC will most likly get their Boeings gone. So the question that should be asked is... ' What other airline(s) might be interested in picking up some used Boeing aircraft?'


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Keep in mind the 767's are being phased out as more A340/A330 aircraft arrive into the Air Canada fleet!


The 767's are not being phased out. Some of the older 200's have been retired, but new 300's were added not too long ago. The 300's will be around for quite a while still, and I think some of the 200's will also stick around for some time.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

I know AC is getting rid of the 747's what few they have left. It would be nice to see 737 700/800s and 777's in AC fleet instead of Airbus's

User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

I thought the 300's got added from the Canadian takeover

User currently offlineYOW4NOW From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Having just checked the numbers again, between the dash-8's and Bae-146 they have 83 aircraft in the Jazz structure. (10 RJ's as well) Most likely the 146's will be gone too, but I still can't see them hanging on to all those A-319's, A-320's and A-321's. Clearly they want to downsize...and by adding aircraft without significantly downsizing their mainline fleet, they would need more, not less, employees to operate the aircraft. Obviously, the RJ's won't be replacing the wide-bodies. The battle looming between the Jazz pilots and the Main-line pilots as to who will fly the new RJ's will factor into which "flag" they fly...Jazz or Mainline.

User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Captaingomes wrote:
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The 767's are not being phased out. Some of the older 200's have been retired, but new 300's were added not too long ago. The 300's will be around for quite a while still, and I think some of the 200's will also stick around for some time.
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Yes, AC has acquired some new 767-300s and has expressed interest in adding more. The 767-200ERs are useful for long-range, medium load flights and will likely stay in service with AC for some time. Some of the short range 767-200s are already in storage, and if flight loads on routes they served do not increase, more of the non-ER 767s will be parked and A-319 and A-320 aircraft will continue to operate these flights.

As well as getting rid of the existing B-747s in the fleet, have also even heard consideration of four to eight 747-400s being added to the fleet for combined cargo/pax capacity some routes could require.

I couldn't believe it when I heard that, but pax travel is not everything, some routes demand more cargo capacity. Don't forget about cargo business. For quite some time, AC faired well with B-747 Combis.

Many of the A-320s are close to their design life span and will require replacement. With new A-320s? B-737s? Who knows..

There's a lot of uncertainty at AC right now, all kinds of rumors, decisions and reversals happen that it is hard to follow. Let's all watch the show.

But for now, be content knowing that their fleet isn't totally comprised of Mattel plastic toys yet. Big grin



LD4




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User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

How could the 320's som eof their 320's be at the end of their life. The oldest I thought was from 1989. Some of the 737 are from the 70's

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