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Alitalia's New Washington Dulles Flight  
User currently offline777-500ER From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 487 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4606 times:

Alitalia is starting a new 767-300ER operated Milan MXP to Washington DC Dulles IAD flight on March 28th taking over what was once one of United's flagship routes.

Schedule is as follows:

AZ 622 MXP 10.30AM IAD 2.00PM

AZ 623 IAD 5.40PM MXP 8.00AM

Note: AZ 622-623 were the flight codes AZ used to use on the MXP-LAX route now not operated anymore.

Michael SFO
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineAtwingo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

It wont last long...maybe 6 months. Unfortunately that's how IAD is. Airlines come airlines leave!!!??? Of all the international airlines only BA, AF & LH have been there for a long time. Airlines no longer @ IAD:

Air Ukraine
Trans Brazil
Span Air
SABENA (left long before it ceased to exist)
BMI (left and came back... but for how long?)

Not to mention all the destinations that UA no longer serves.

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

Don't count Alitalia out! The airline has rebounded steeply over the past few years. The new service to Washington/IAD may prove a cash cow since it is the only route to connect the two nations. Furthermore, Milan is noted for its fashion, industry, and manufacturing. It is Italys number one city for commerce and United found it to be a cash cow when service was started. One of the reasons that United Airlines discontinued was that United suffered from being able to turn the aircraft within a desired amount of time. Milan was the longest international route from Washington served by United Airlnes. United also has been focusing more and more on its codeshare hub cities rather than other destinations.

Alitalia, has a very solid following... Dont look for the airline to suddenly pull out!

BWI - Lack of Connections from Manchester

Swiss - Financialy Un-Stable

Air Ukraine - Financialy Un-Stable

JAL - No Feeding Traffic

Trans Brazil - Poor Marketing

Span Air - Poor Marketing/Leisure Airline

Varig - Pulled out to focus on other U.S. gateways

PIA - No Feeding Traffic

SABENA - Financialy Un-Stable, Poor Marketing


User currently offlineGoAround From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Is bmi at IAD not seasonal, with the 330s on lease to South African over the winter?


User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Austrian has been serving IAD for some year now!!!!

I think AZ flights to IAD will be very sucessful.. maybe we'll see an upgrade to 772 by summer05.



User currently offline777-500ER From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 487 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

I thought that FCO would have been better being that Rome and DC are two diplomatic capitals of the world.

Michael SFO
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently onlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 623 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

The list of carriers no longer serving Dulles is only looking at half the picture...Dulles can support service to Milan and Alitalia's hub there will help. Alitalia has more hubbing opportunities at MXP than FCO. Alitalia did this right, they entered AFTER United left unlike Sabena and Swiss when they entered Washington market as competitive knee jerk to United actions.

PIA was using A310s and the routing was via YYZ and FRA hardly a competitive product.

VARIG was routed via ATL (a non-STAR gateway) which made the product just as competitive as routings via MIA. IAD-GRU is now served on UA NONSTOP that is an improvement... VARIG now codeshares on this route.

JAL stupidly entered IAD-NRT shortly after ANA did, one carrier could perform the route at the time NOT TWO, plus JAL came in with inferior product 2x weeky service.

Air Ukraine...was introduced as a prestige route - had nothing to do with inherrent strength of Washington international market. It was IL62 - would you fly on that to IEV?

Spanair's retrenchment was more than just IAD, they closed routes to South America as a result of 9/11 - SAS (a shareholder) wanted them to focus on intra-Europe operations.

SABENA entered to counter United this is a one carrier market.

Transbrasil served Brasilia and I believe Manaus nonstop, not the large city and economic center: Sao Paulo that probably contributed to failure.

bmi is back and waiting for more liberal rights from US-UK. They bought A330s expecting to serve LHR, MAN was ersatz destination because A330s came quicker than bilateral changes. bmi is no longer seasonal op.

Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1828 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4065 times:

The AZ IAD-MXP is not only for US-Italy traffic, but from MXP they offer good connections to east Europe, Mediterranean area, Middle East and also India.

With this scheduled (MXP 10.30am-IAD 2.00pm and back IAD 5.40pm-MXP 8.00am) for eample with only two hours transit you could go to Delhi or Mumbai or Tel Aviv or Athens....

User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

DCAYOW you read my mind. I am also curious what are "all the destinatins United no longer serves" according to Atwingo. If memory serves me correctly, the only European destination that United has shuttered from IAD was MXP (there may be one or two others but I dont think so). Also, with the exception of JAL and Swiss, all of the other airlines you mentioned are unstable, and also fly to New York JFK only a short air distance away. And for the record, ANA has flown between Narita and Dulles since 1986.

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

For the record UA no longer serves MXP,DUS,GLA,ZRH and MAD --all of them were served nonstop from IAD. For the record Ua also served ATH and possibly GVA from CDG briefly back in the late 80s I believe.
Also UA flew ORD-DUS for a while before the route was moved to IAD.

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Malpensa has a much higher yield than Rome!


User currently offlineAtwingo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3824 times:


IAD-Zurich( I am not sure on this one)

And I forgot to mention Lufthansa to Berlin and to Cologne (w/A310 in 1989).

I am happy to hear that everyone thinks the Alitalia flight will do well. I hope we will get alot more airlines @ IAD in the near future. How about Iberia?

User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2560 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

I dont see why it would fail, since UA has been flying IAD-MXP for years! I am very glad to see Alitalia come to IAD  Smile  Smile


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