Atwingo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4554 times:
It wont last long...maybe 6 months. Unfortunately that's how IAD is. Airlines come airlines leave!!!??? Of all the international airlines only BA, AF & LH have been there for a long time. Airlines no longer @ IAD:
SABENA (left long before it ceased to exist)
BMI (left and came back... but for how long?)
Not to mention all the destinations that UA no longer serves.
Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4509 times:
Don't count Alitalia out! The airline has rebounded steeply over the past few years. The new service to Washington/IAD may prove a cash cow since it is the only route to connect the two nations. Furthermore, Milan is noted for its fashion, industry, and manufacturing. It is Italys number one city for commerce and United found it to be a cash cow when service was started. One of the reasons that United Airlines discontinued was that United suffered from being able to turn the aircraft within a desired amount of time. Milan was the longest international route from Washington served by United Airlnes. United also has been focusing more and more on its codeshare hub cities rather than other destinations.
Alitalia, has a very solid following... Dont look for the airline to suddenly pull out!
BWI - Lack of Connections from Manchester
Swiss - Financialy Un-Stable
Air Ukraine - Financialy Un-Stable
JAL - No Feeding Traffic
Trans Brazil - Poor Marketing
Span Air - Poor Marketing/Leisure Airline
Varig - Pulled out to focus on other U.S. gateways
DCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4191 times:
The list of carriers no longer serving Dulles is only looking at half the picture...Dulles can support service to Milan and Alitalia's hub there will help. Alitalia has more hubbing opportunities at MXP than FCO. Alitalia did this right, they entered AFTER United left unlike Sabena and Swiss when they entered Washington market as competitive knee jerk to United actions.
PIA was using A310s and the routing was via YYZ and FRA hardly a competitive product.
VARIG was routed via ATL (a non-STAR gateway) which made the product just as competitive as routings via MIA. IAD-GRU is now served on UA NONSTOP that is an improvement... VARIG now codeshares on this route.
JAL stupidly entered IAD-NRT shortly after ANA did, one carrier could perform the route at the time NOT TWO, plus JAL came in with inferior product 2x weeky service.
Air Ukraine...was introduced as a prestige route - had nothing to do with inherrent strength of Washington international market. It was IL62 - would you fly on that to IEV?
Spanair's retrenchment was more than just IAD, they closed routes to South America as a result of 9/11 - SAS (a shareholder) wanted them to focus on intra-Europe operations.
SABENA entered to counter United this is a one carrier market.
Transbrasil served Brasilia and I believe Manaus nonstop, not the large city and economic center: Sao Paulo that probably contributed to failure.
bmi is back and waiting for more liberal rights from US-UK. They bought A330s expecting to serve LHR, MAN was ersatz destination because A330s came quicker than bilateral changes. bmi is no longer seasonal op.
Cjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3974 times:
DCAYOW you read my mind. I am also curious what are "all the destinatins United no longer serves" according to Atwingo. If memory serves me correctly, the only European destination that United has shuttered from IAD was MXP (there may be one or two others but I dont think so). Also, with the exception of JAL and Swiss, all of the other airlines you mentioned are unstable, and also fly to New York JFK only a short air distance away. And for the record, ANA has flown between Narita and Dulles since 1986.
747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3923 times:
For the record UA no longer serves MXP,DUS,GLA,ZRH and MAD --all of them were served nonstop from IAD. For the record Ua also served ATH and possibly GVA from CDG briefly back in the late 80s I believe.
Also UA flew ORD-DUS for a while before the route was moved to IAD.