LEARJET23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8468 times:
I recently took NW-1 from LAX-MNL. I have taken this flight many times before but this time I noticed that just about all the flight attendants in business were Very Old! I'm talking one lady who told me she had 41 years on the job. She looked to be about 70-75, most of these ladies were far into the late 60's Is this a union thing, or just very senior people bidding the best flights? I'm not saying it's bad to keep working so late in life, but these gals were just plain tired, and it showed.
Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1864 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8317 times:
Its accustom to see old F/As are those trans pac flights on the U.S. Majors. THose lines typically run very senior just because the time of benefits that they recieve after a trip like that. However... your talking about the age, seems a little extreme to me. I don't know that I've ever seen an F/A over the age of 55ish.
Dtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1466 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8274 times:
I think the oldest flight attendant to retire from NW was around 75. After 55 years of service, Bernie Epple retired I believe in 2002. The first 757-300 for NW is named Bernie Epple. So I would imagine some of the older flight attendants could be past retirement age.
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 972 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 8037 times:
There are many many F/A´s older than 55, especially with US carriers!
These guys are mostly working international trips and just the amount of flight hours they want! Seniority is EVERYTHING in the airline business!
As far as I know, the actual retirement age with most of the US majors is 65 to get full and all benefits possible!
But as long as F/A´s pass through their annual medical examination and recurrent flight safety training, no one is forced to retire!
I remember an article about 5 TWA F/A´s called "TWA´s Golden Girls"!
They´ve been a team for over 30 years and always worked the very same flight together at least once a month!
The junior F/A in that crew had 36 years on the job, while the most senior F/A(Dolores "Dodo" Narz, a legend in the industry) who was also the Number 1 Attendant at TWA had 48 years of seniority!!! WOW!
I´ve also seen very senior F/A´s on DL! Some of them former PA employees, but also people who started with DL right from the beginning!
I think DL´s most senior F/A was Norma Webb! Not sure, if she is still flying!
She had somewhat around 50 years of seniority!
Maybe someone has any information about her?
Also the mother of a very dear friend of mine (who is a DL F/A out of JFK) started with PA back in 1960! She turns 65 this year and is still flying for World Airways!!! She´s such a wonderful and adorable lady!
I personally love these very senior F/A´s! I love to be taken care by them when travelling as a passenger, as well as I really enjoy working with them!
The more senior, the better!!!
You just can´t beat them in experience, knowledge and professionalism!
Flying is in their bones and blood!
And there is nothing like the atmosphere these veterans pass throughout the cabin on any flight they´re on!
AND one of the best examples (though she´s retired now) is right here with us: PiedmontGirl!!!
She´s just wonderful! She´s my first and so far one and only respected user!!!
Well, I´m wondering if and how I´ll be like with this job in 30-40 years from now!
At the moment I do have 5 years of seniority!!!
Actually it´s not too bad with the carrier I work for! Our most senior Attendant at the moment started with us in 1972! 2 years ago some veterans of 1963/64 retired!
Iflewrepublic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 537 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 8015 times:
It pleases me to see your enthusiasm for the industry. Though your five years is a drop in the bucket compared to that of some of the "Golden Gals", it's five years in a very turbulent industry. You've managed to tighten your safety belt and smile even bigger than before. Thank you for continuing to go to work every day. Thank you for continuing to have such enthusiasm.
May your next five year blocks take you to many fascinating places.
P.S. For whom do you work? (Check out that proper English grammar, kids!) I could look it up, but at the moment I'm being lazy.
Aviation is proof that, given the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 21 Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7956 times:
What's not to love about these older senior momma's (as we affectionately call them at UA)??
They fly three SFO-SYD-SFO a month and are done! They make top dollar for only working about 65-70 hours a week. At UA you'll see the most senior gals flying ORD-HKG and SFO-SYD. Those girls have seen it all!!
At UA we have a very very low attrition rate because let's face it... when you've got 35 years seniority you really don't "work" any more. You just travel out of town a few times a month and get paid really well for doing it!
The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 972 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7816 times:
Thank You very much for your kind words, that was just so nice of you to say!
I work for Condor, which is a subsidiary of Lufthansa! We fly 757/767/A320 aircraft to holiday destinations worldwide!
We operate both scheduled and charter flights.
We´ve also operated scheduled LH flights in the past domestically and international.
Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7705 times:
Bernie was the most senior NWA employee with 55 years of service. She would not retire and went on medical leave. It was common knowledge at NWA that her and the number 2 "Bob" had a long standing spat for years. She would be "damned" if he was to be number "1". She was an outstanding flight attendant and respected by all.
Cdgdtw From United States of America, joined May 2003, 200 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7625 times:
When I work flights to Asia, most of the crew has been with the company longer than I am alive. Currently the #1 seniority position at NW has been around 55+ years, I believe. As L1011 said, no one leaves the job after a couple decades. You choose the days to work, where you will fly and you have loads of time off. It isn't a job, it's a lifestyle.
PiedmontGirl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7565 times:
I am really impressed by your passion for this avocation that we call being a flight attendant. It's obvious that you have great love and respect for your job and you must be a joy to work with.
If you are this fond of your work five years in, you will probably continue to be that fond of it. I hope that your trips take you to many, many fascinating places and that you will have the wonderful crews to work with that you deserve.
I also appreciate you kind words about us Golden Girls of the Sky. It is beyond nice to read such comments.
Being a flight attendant is both a life and a lifestyle. I wouldn't have missed my experiences for anything in this world.
LOL.....I'm not surprised to hear that Bernie had a feud with the #2 F/A and wasn't going to give him the satisfaction of being the #1 F/A. I understand that UA has a similar thing going with their #1 and #2 F/As on the system. Can anyone here with UA confirm that?
I'm also not surprised to hear that Bernie was well respected by her fellow flight attendants and other employees of NW. She sounds like someone I would have been proud to work with.
Iflewrepublic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 537 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7509 times:
I, personally, feel that the older (classic) flight attendants are the best. They're like airplanes...if they're still flying after a couple of decades, you know they've had to have done something right. The classic flight attendants are the ones who know what service with a smile means. They're the ones who manage to put their passengers at ease. It's also a real treat to work with them, too.
Also, the spats between Bernie Epple (#1) and Bob Reardon (#2) were always interesting. Bernie Epple was interesting. 55+ years on the job...think of the requirements she had to meet when she was initially hired. Think of the aircraft that she helped introduce. Amazing.
Aviation is proof that, given the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7489 times:
The classic flight attendants are the ones who know what service with a smile means.
I agree with you 100%, although there are exceptions -- the MSP-NRT run certainly has its share of FA who seemed "burned" out by their jobs. Generally, I've had more pleasant crews on the DTW, JFK and SEA runs.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7470 times:
I'll also agree to that (because I'm also bias! LOL). It seems like many former RC employees, especially the ones based out west, have left the company, tho. And the closing of the Livonia MI ticketing office (the former RC one) was just plain sad.
Iflewrepublic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 537 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 7442 times:
It is sad to see what the Red-Tailed bully has done to Herman's legacy. When I first heard that the Livonia office was closing, I felt as if a part of me was going with it. The Livonia office was one of the last tangible pieces of Republic we had left. (Look at me starting to get all nostalgic.) Of course, the day we officially retire the DC-9 will be a sad day. I have two options for that day (if I'm not dead yet), first...be on the last flight, and second...take the day off.
Republic memories...make me smile.
Aviation is proof that, given the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
Dtwintlflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 301 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7358 times:
Occasionally the reserves at NW get INTL flying. Prior to 9-11 we would get considerably more. Usually you will find at least one per Asia flight out of DTW. It obviously is a seniority thing.. why not (3 3 day DTW KIX trips a month and you are done for the month.
It was really bad when we had the 3 day add pattern DTW PEK. That trip was worth almost 28 hours. I think that overall our crews, dispite age (whether young or older) provide a genuinely nice, polite, and sincere service. We have always managed to do the most with the least and that just continues to happen. Don't forget, when we only get 11 or 12 FA's for a 744 flight it is hard. 2 upstairs, 2 downstairs in BC, and that just leaves 7 or 8 for MC. ......But live is what you make it....you just gotta drive on and do the job with a smile! After all, we do have a great job.
LEARJET23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7230 times:
I respect our older people, what ever they do, However, I fly first or business class 12-15 per year in asia, And as a middle aged american I am so happy when the inter asian crews out of NRT or KIX take control! they are fresh, young and beautiful! And have a real desire to make an impression, and all this at about 1/3 the salery the American persers are drawing. I had the pleasure of having coffee with one young lady out of MNL who flew inter asia for NWA, and told me she and her crew members were forced to retire from flying by age 36. She was married and was never expecting to retire from NWA, but felt like the option should be there for all. Thanks for reading this !
Dtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1466 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7186 times:
I flew home from FRA on a NW A330 last month. The gal working in our section actually flew with North Central. Really a nice lady. She lives in FL now and commutes to DTW for duty. I thought that must make for a long day, a trans-Atlantic flight working and then a flight home.
Azafata From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7023 times:
I remember when I worked at NWA ( 1999-2002,until they didnt need me anymore ),I used to get those trip to MNL and Asia on reserve and I have to tell you, I felt as if I was still wearing dipers. I was 23yrs old back then and on most trips the youngest person was about 20 -25 years older than me, I felt like I was going on a home care field trip. I never had any problems working with them, they have a lot of experience and they know what they are doing but most of the time I would be on the other side of the world with nobody to go out or see the city, they are tired ,they just want to get to the hotel and sleep the entire layover,so I had to find the fun places by myself. I strongly believe there should be an age limit for F/As just like the pilots but I dont think thats happenning anytime soon. Oh,,and another thing,,some of them complain so much it makes me sick !!!!! If you dont like it, QUIT !!! so the new generation of young, fresh faces F/As can change the airline image.
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7365 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6959 times:
I agree with you about what is like to fly with some of these ladies. I'm a seven year FA with NW, and still get treated like I just graduated initial training. It seems when I work these trips I get this immediately, "Are you new?, or Do you know what you're doing?" which es me off. we haven't hired since 1Q of '01, how can I be new? And then they like to fill me in on their hotflash timetables, which for a guy is more info than I need, or want to know. I flew a 4 day domestic back in April with this one lady who only flies 3-day NGO trips. This lady was in such bad shape physically, she could barely make it past the partition on the DC9, she couldn't bend down to arm the girt bar because her knees were so bad. That was when she asked me to arm and disarm the Door 1R because there was nothing for her to kneel on. She would leave the galley service dor armed after arrival and have me disarm it for her, meanwhile catering was outside, only minutes from opening that door to re-cater the aircraft. She had to sit on the inboard side of the jumpseat with her legs straight out during takeoff and landing. She's had both hip replaced and still can't walk, and both knees are damaged beyond repair. She is literally falling apart, and that even passengers were making comments to me about her. I passed a message along to a manager about her, but apparently she's still flying. I saw her in the terminal a few weeks ago boarding a flight to Asia. And she says that she's going to continue to fly for another 9 years. But she is nice. Well unfortunately, there is more to this job than just being a nice person. You have to be physically, and mentally up to the job. And you have to be in complete control of yourself when doing this job. Being an FA takes more than just knowing how to serve customers there food and drinks, it's also about knowing when the time is right to step down out of the job, and walking away. I'm not saying everyone of the senior people are like this, but there is a few who fit this profile. Safety is the primary job of flight attendants, and if you are physically unable to perform, than you are putting everyone and yourself at risk.
Made from jets!
25 Iflewrepublic: WHOA!!! Bernie's back??? I thought that old gal is one of the dearly departed. (God, you may strike me dead for making such a crack comment.) Before y
26 PiedmontGirl: Jetjack74: This lady was in such bad shape physically, she could barely make it past the partition on the DC9, she couldn't bend down to arm the girt
27 PiedmontGirl: Iflewrepublic: If she's a Republic employee, odds are she doesn't have a pot to pee in when it comes to retirement. It's sad, but true. A lot of them
28 Jetjack74: Why didn't she indeed, iflewrepublic? This someone who is not thinking straight and clearly is disregarding safety. I would've taken lead for her, but
29 Flyguyclt: Folks: Yes there are some nasty old ones out there. But without mentioning last names, there are some gems that are physically fit and run circles aro
30 PiedmontGirl: Jetjack74: I thought you were talking about a woman in her seventies. You're talking about a woman who is in my seniority bracket. I am guessing that
31 Cdgdtw: I have to submit my agreement with IPate and INTflyer . . . the former RC employees are the best. One can tell straight away who was Republic or NWO.
32 Jetjack74: Flyguyclt: "Lyn: Always flies MEX turns. OUTSTANDING. Seniority 41 years. DTW Peggy: Purser, flies the Pacific. Seniority 41 years. DTW Judee: LAX to
33 Flyguyclt: JetJack: The first time I flew with her she did infact try to give me grief. I looked at her dead in the eyes and said " don't make me mess that hair
34 Iflewrepublic: SOUTHERN's girls were (and still are) some sweet kick ass women. It's amazing, some of them still have their big hair. Then there's the North Central
35 FA4UA: PEIDMONTGIRL: you're right, UA had the same bitterness between #1 and #2 seniority. I've heard so many stories about these two! One of the best was wh
36 PiedmontGirl: FA4UA: Thanks for the information. I had heard about that feud for years. US had a bunch of F/As retire last Summer, too. In the next few months there
37 Jano: My first op ug to WBC on AMS-MEM a week ago, and the FA was at least 65 years old. She was a nice lady and got the job done. But still, somehow I was