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List Of Major Airlines In 2010  
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14328 times:

What do you think the list of major airlines in 2010 in the US will look like?
What about worldwide?

64 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14273 times:

(not in order)

-Jet Blue
-Frontier
-Southwest
-Virgin Atlantic



2013 Airports: EWR, JFK, LGA, LIS, AGP, DEN, GIG, RGN, BKK, LHR, FRA, LAX, SYD, PER, MEL, MCO, MIA, PEK, IAH
User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14256 times:

American Continental DontEverLeaveTheAirport Northwest United jetBlue Southwest AirTran

User currently offlineFunFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14188 times:

Don't forget to add in BA.


Who cares about status?
User currently offlineAviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14184 times:

In Canada:

WestJet (For sure)
Air Canada (They will still be there)
CanJet (Maybe?....Hopefully!)
Air Transat (Another "for sure")
SkyService (Hopefully!)

JetsGo and its Mickey Mouse operation, HMY.....Forget about them....They will be gone by then.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14098 times:

I do not believe Airtran or Frontier will have the legs to survive that long. US airways will be either out of business or acquired by then......

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14052 times:

In US

UA
CO
NW
DL
AA
B6
HP


User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14017 times:

Continental
Northwest
Delta
American

Just wondering are lcc considered "majors" now?



Work Hard Fly Right
User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14009 times:

Why won't Frontier be one of the majors when they are just behind B6/WN and are getting more and more frequent flyers everyday?


2013 Airports: EWR, JFK, LGA, LIS, AGP, DEN, GIG, RGN, BKK, LHR, FRA, LAX, SYD, PER, MEL, MCO, MIA, PEK, IAH
User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13991 times:

I guess your right if the lcc carriers are still around then they would be considered a major...


Work Hard Fly Right
User currently offlineAviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13990 times:

It would be sad to see US go.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13923 times:

Passenger count determines whether or not you are a major, regional, etc. I think the cutoff for major is set at 1,000,000 pax a year. Actually, WN is considered a major, so is AE.

User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13899 times:

Thank you for clearing that up PVD757, I didn't now the paramiters for being considered a major so here's my revised list:

Continental
Northwest
Delta
American
Frontier
Southwest
Jetblue



Work Hard Fly Right
User currently offlineAcho From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 339 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13785 times:

In Mexico: (not in order)
Mexicana, which will hopefully aquire an all airbus fleet, with A-430s and will join OneWorld

Aeromexico: Will expand its fleet, will replace all its current MD80 and DC9 with the new 73Gs and possibly 717s. Will aquire more long range aircraft, including the 777.

Aviacsa: Will moderinze its fleet (732s and 727s) to 735s and 717s and continue serving Mexico and the US as a low cost carrier.

Acho




User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4505 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13765 times:

Frontier will still be around in 2010. They're strong.


My list, not in order: (USA)

United
American
Delta
Continental
Northwest
Jetblue
Southwest
Frontier
America West
American Trans Air
Alaska Airlines
Virgin USA
Aloha (provided that they don't sell themselves before that time)


Or, in other words, almost exactly the same as it is today.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13680 times:

PVD757, why do you think AirTran and Frontier won't be here in 2010?!! They are both doing quite well now and have good future growth plans.

Honestly, I think the industry will look the same in 2010 as now except:

-No US Airways
-JetBlue will be a big player since all of their planes on order will be in operation and more will be on order.
-AmericaWest looks like they will finally have a profit this year, hopefully they will transform into an airline with a longlasting model
-The majors will also have to transform their models or they won't be around either. I think UA and AA will have to shut down a hub and rely more on "focus cities"
-A lot more niche carriers. It seems like we have seen so much growth in this area since B6 arrived...VirginUSA, this new Loco in Pittsburgh, Independence Air, etc


User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13636 times:

In Europe :
AF/KL/AZ
BA/IB
LH
SU



Flying is amazing!
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13636 times:

Passenger count determines whether or not you are a major, regional, etc.

Negative! Revenues determine an airline's status. Major is achieve when they reach US$1 Billion in annual revenue.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13532 times:

My prediction is:

Contideltanwa. After the supermerger 2008
TAFKAU (The airline formerly known as United)
British American . AA after the takeover by BA
Southwest
Jetblue
 Big grin  Big grin Big grin  Big grin


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13465 times:

Hey FraT,

you're forgetting CX and SQ after entering the domestic market

lol


User currently offlineNicollo From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13414 times:

Your all wrong,

We have site to site transport from our homes via internet cable connection



User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13410 times:

fraT

I would have fought of AirEuropa Airways

for respectively AF BA LH, the european airline


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13396 times:

Airtran will not be around for one reason. DL. I know, your argument already "They've survived for years against them".

Here's my point: Look at what Delta did with Jetblue on one route. When Airtran starts up their transcon network with their OWN dedicated planes, Delta will just add capacity to each route and systematically get rid of them. Think about this: Airtran is not going to start service to small airports from ATL with their new aircraft. They are going to go head to head with DL on major routes.

I know that Ryan does contract work for them on routes now. But, I believe that if Airtran wanted to stop the routes tommorrow they could without worrying about where to put the airplanes. When they own the hardware, it's a different story.

Also, they survive for the most part by flying niche routes. Delta is not going to run them out of Flint Michigan (sorry if you're from there by the way). LAX, SEA, SFO are another story.

Last, Airtran is picking up a new type with the 737. Their low cost model must change to reflect this, just like jetBlue's will have to. This is the reason why WN will never fly anything else but one type of aircraft.

As far as Frontier is concerned, I think that IF, and a big IF, UA survives the bleeding right now, they will keep TED around long enough to put Frontier out of business. Ted has no other mission. Frontier is just keeping the gates warm and the airport open.


User currently offlineCapt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13361 times:

i'm not sure we can say who will be a major, as right now a major is determined by revenue, and of course, by 2010, the $1 billion mark will not be such a grand number. instead, i list who i think will be the top

delta
american
us airways/america west
northwest
continental
united
southwest
jetblue
alaska
airtran
ata


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13362 times:

In the United States:

For certain (IMHO):

Delta
Northworst
Continental
American
United
AirTran
Southwest
JetBlue
Alaska

Possible:

Frontier
American Trans Air

Possibly Gone:

USAirways
Midwest
GP Air
America West

Not Majors:

Atlantic Coast
Spirit

Just my opinion.



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
25 Aa757first : Possibly Gone: America West May I ask your reasoning? I'm not doubting you or anything, I just wanted to know why you think this. AAndrew
26 StevenUhl777 : I think that IF, and a big IF, UA survives the bleeding right now, they will keep TED around long enough to put Frontier out of business. Ted has no o
27 Capt078 : PVD757: delta didn't drive jetblue out of atlanta. if anything, it was airtran. jetblue left because their limited number of planes are in such high d
28 Post contains images RJpieces : PVD757, I couldn't disagree with you more! A few thing to keep in mind. B6 was brand new in Atlanta and was relying on ATL-LGB alone, no feeding traff
29 Capt078 : RJpieces: let's not beat around the bush here, ted's objective is most certainly at harming if not ruining frontier. the real question is, god-forbid
30 PVD757 : Let me see, who dropped in 777s and 767s to LAX when jetBlue sarted service? Oh right, that WAS Airtran. You take a look in the timetables for BOS-ATL
31 CanadianNorth : Canada... -Air Canada (they wont go, alot wish they would but they wont) -Westjet (they seem to be doing fairly well donn see why they wouldnt be) -Ca
32 PVD757 : RJpieces: Just to clarify: I never said anything about the majors having a good business model or not, like most posts on this board, it's ONLY my opi
33 Post contains images Mariner : For the whole nearly ten years ot its existence, people have been saying that UA is going to crush Frontier like a gnat. The gnat is still here. Serio
34 LHSebi : For europe: LH + CityLine BA KLM AF Not familiar enough with the current standing of the non-european carriers. Sebastian
35 Capt078 : PVD757: airtran has taken market share (of leisure travelers) from delta. hence, airtran is beating delta. as i said though, i think that the two exis
36 RJpieces : PVD, big deal that they had 777s and 767s on those routes and were giving FFP perks, werethey making money doing it? Answer: Probably not. But it did
37 PVD757 : Look, RJ, we've mostly agreed on things in here (that's why your a respected user), I'm just posting my opinions on things. DL and UA and extremely es
38 Srbmod : Delta put the 777 on the ATL-LAX route after JetBlue dropped out of ATL. The reason for the 777 flight was so to have an operational spare just in cas
39 Lan_Fanatic : According to some people, the Latin american carriers that will be around for 2010 are: Aeromexico/Mexicana Varig/TAM LanChile TACA
40 Flairport : majors: B6 UA DL F9 WN CO Independence Air Alaska Aloha FL AA Air Florida (III) smaller airlines: NW Us Airways (II) Pan Am (VII) TWA (II) Virgin USA
41 PVD757 : Speaking of sources, Why are you so quick to tell me that mine are wrong. Where are yours at? How about telling us your great information pipeline? Wh
42 Elwood64151 : Aa757first: My reasoning is that while F9, FL, and some others do not have the name recognition that AA, DL, etc have, neither does HP; and HP, unlike
43 PVD757 : just wanted to see what everyone thought and to see if anyone agreed with mine, not too confirm them. I'll be honest, I've been bored with the lack of
44 Planemaker : MxCtrlr is correct on the definition of what makes an airline a major. Following is the DOT classification breakdown: The U.S. Department of Transport
45 737-990 : My 2 cents(in terms of revenue) : 1. American 2. Delta 3. United 4. Southwest 5. Northwest 6. Continental 7. JetBlue 8. USAirways 9. AmericaWest 10. A
46 Post contains images N323er : Guess not many people have faith in FL(AirTran) wonder why i think they wiil be up there before 2010, but they again I am an employee so may be I am a
47 Necigrad : CURRENT MAJORS: American United Delta NorthWest Continental I predict ONE of the above will disappear. Southwest US Airways (gonna die) America West A
48 Elwood64151 : PVD757: It's no problem. Like I said, I normally like your posts, even if I don't agree with them. I just took serious issue with a few of your points
49 NWDC10 : Do you think United would like to see Ted take over the continental U.S. routes while keeping United for international travel? United can't compete wi
50 Q330 : I think Qantas will still be very strong by that time, definitely still the biggest Australian carrier. But I wonder if there will be another Australi
51 Mjszanto : 1. JetBlue 2. American 3. Delta I wonder what the international airline consolidation will lead to.
52 NWA Man : Flairport- NW as a smaller carrier, eclipsed by Independence, Frontier, Aloha and a reincarnation of Air Florida? Please explain... it could happen, j
53 Planemaker : 737-990: " I will make one other prediction, Southwest will be number one in terms of passengers carried. SWA has beat your prediction by 6 years - SW
54 Lhr001 : SPECULATION.... Not Fact Who We May See Depart: -Aero California will not exist -Air Europa will not exist -Air Holland will not exist -Air Tran will
55 Post contains images Akumas : ^ What was the point of that "speculation"?
56 AATripleseven : Surprised to see that no one put Southwest at the top. I think that Southwest will be #1 in terms of passengers carried and in the top three for reven
57 Paddy : Here is my top 10 for 2010, its pretty wild but you never know... #1 WN #2 NW #3 CO #4 B6 #5 AA #6 UA #7 DL #8 AS #9 F9 #10 HP RIP US Airways
58 Flairport : my logic is that NW is not doing well and if they do not improve service, they will not be a major (domesticly...they will always be major internation
59 N1120a : Just so everyone is clear, a major is an airline with at least 1 billion dollars in revenue per year. FL and B6 should be there by next year, F9 has a
60 Bobnwa : Flairport, In what category is Northwest not doing well when compared to other U.S. carriers. Please be specific, with figures.
61 Tommy767 : I could definately see some of the LCC's out of biz. Independence Air: Wont last. JetBlue, United, or somebody else will try to crush them as soon as
62 Post contains images Flyguyclt : Tommy 767: Not until 2015 will NWA get rid of the DC9. hehe
63 NWDC10 : The good ole' dc-9! lol Robert NWDC10
64 American 767 : Tommy767, I don't think Continental would pick up any slots of US Airways at LGA because they (CO) already have a major hub in EWR so it would be redu
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