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VS To Consider YYZ A Possible New Destination!  
User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

Hello,

I recently spoke with a retired BA 744 pilot who said that VS is considering return to YYZ on the LHR-YYZ route using their 744's or A34x's (aircraft type is still not fully known).

If this goes through, service may begin in late 2004 or mid 2005.

Cheers! Big thumbs up

Martin


Chelsea Football Club supporter.
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User currently offlineAviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Hi Martin, there was also a rumor about Montreal. I'll believe it when I see it.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

The London-Montreal market is a LOT smaller than the London-Toronto market.If they re-start flights to Canada it will be TO.

User currently offlineAviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6978 times:

Why did they leave TO after a few flights? Why leave TO if TO is such a big market? Montreal may not be as big/large as TO....But maybe Montreal has something to offer? I will still believe in VS come back when I see them parked at a gate in YYZ.....or at a gate at YUL.

User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

This is not news. VS will likely return sometime, but when is only a matter of speculation on anybody's part.

VS left the YYZ market right after September 11th. The timing was very unlikely. It was a smart move, as entering a route will only become profitable after a while, and that is if all goes well. As we all know, nothing was going well at the time. VS had to take care of anything that was draining away at their funds.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

Nuno is right. VS will be back in YYZ and this is not news. YYZ is the 5th largest intercontinental market our of London...and the only one that VS does not serve.

Hopefully, VS will switch to LHR for YYZ flights which will be another nail in the coffin for AC.

YUL has never been mentioned by VS. It won't happen.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

Neil, how do you know VS never mentioned YUL? Your word against mne.

User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

This came up on a thread awhile back and at the time I cited the VS VP of N America/Caribbean marketing as saying YYZ a very strong possibility but YUL out of the question...a number of other N American and caribbean destinations which are of far more interest to them.....

It's obvious why they withdrew in Oct/2001. What airline in the world didn't significantly cut-back service? BA and AC pulled back a lot of capacity on the route post 9/11, and obviously VS as a brand new startup (literally a matter of weeks into the service) was the third man on the pole....and they made a wise decision to end/suspend their inaugural service in that environment. To infer that the end of their service at that time means there was no long term market for them is just plain nonsense.

VS did serious marketing, research, study to decide to come to YYZ in the first place, and I submit would have made a good run of it but for the tragic events of 9/11.

But again we have more pie in the sky thinking to expect that suddenly they are going to re-consider their whole Canadian model (if they even come back at all to Canada) and jump on the YUL bandwagon that we keep hearing so much about.....YVR or YYC will get 2nd VS Cdn route long before YUL does......


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6695 times:

I heard that they would be starting to SXM from LGW or LHR primarily for cruise passengers.

User currently offlineAmhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Isnt that around when they also pulled out of ORD? Theyve yet to return to that market- or is that because of substantial competition out of UAL/AA/BD/any other carrier you care to name on that route, especially to LHR?


Hang on tightly, Let go lightly
User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6673 times:

But again we have more pie in the sky thinking to expect that suddenly they are going to re-consider their whole Canadian model (if they even come back at all to Canada) and jump on the YUL bandwagon that we keep hearing so much about.....YVR or YYC will get 2nd VS Cdn route long before YUL does......

Even though YYC is my home town, I highly doubt we'll see VS here. YVR will definately be before us.

I'd be surprised if that didn't happen sooner rather than later; I heard some positive things about the BA seasonal service to YVR...... if true, it'd be doubtless to attract serious consideration from VS.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

I see YVR as a good route. If BA can have a daily flight to yvr I think VS would do very well here.

User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6636 times:

I'm not holding my breath...although it's something I'd definitely like to see, although I doubt we'd see the 744 or the 346. We'd likely see the 343 only.

I'd also be interested to see how this plays out with the rumoured "Virgin American" which is currently in the pipe.

G



User currently offlineYYZ4RADD From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

I am not so sure. I live near the airport at YYZ and have seen the VS 747 quite several times during their run here before. Mind you, beautiful plane. I have a feeling they might try out the A346 as well, as a feeler. Cargo capacity for A346 and A343 are quite high compared to the B747 and VS would capitalize on this. Besides, there are many who would take VS to LHR from here instead of AC or BA.

YYZ4RADD


User currently offlineScf158 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

I think VS should consider YVR, especially in the summer where BA constantly overbooks flights and has such a high demand for their YVR-LHR flights...



User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

Well, VS would be a nice addition to YYZ, particularly if they use the 346.
Does anyone have any predictions on when an announcement would be made? I'm planning a trip to Greece via the UK to see some family later this year. I've got to start booking soon since the Olympics are going to be in Greece the same time I plan to be there.

G


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1437 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

It's not a question of "if" but rather "when for the return of VS to YYZ as my esteemed colleague Captaingomes stated above. I just hope it's this summer.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

Aren't rumours like this connected to those that VS is looking at adding more L/H capacity in the next 12 to 24 months? The only new route announced is an extension of the LHR-HKG service to SYD. But if VS is looking at adding more A340s or even the 777 (breaking its 4 engines for longhaul motto) then YYZ would likely be one of those routes VS is interested. ORD too must be a contender. Guess we'll just as to wait and see...


Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineC-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

To all doubters.... Virgin WILL be back in Canada one day, and if you honestly believe they will service YUL before returning to YYZ, YYYEAH! Keep dreaming! There is a reason VS was in YYZ and not YUL on it's first attempt at Canada...

I don't think they will be back this year, but it's my opinion that they will return once they start adding more flights to North America... Perhaps ORD and YYZ (both cut at the same time post 9/11) will be announced as the first cities they will expand to. We will just have to wait and see.

But as Nuno said this isn't news and shouldn't really be posted as such, VS has always said they would try to return to YYZ when they get expanding into North America again. This is nothing new.

Jeremy



Think before you type!
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

VS stopped YYZ service for a variety reasons...though pax loads were good they flew from LGW thus making it inconvienient for transitting pax to go to LHR to catch a flight to DEL-LOS-JNB-CPT...that was their initial mistake.

Then after 9/11, they stopped YYZ and ORD because they were new markets being flown by ageing B 742s which were quickly retired after 9/11 as VS concentrated on building up its already proven core routes in North America and South Africa.

If VS wants to restart YYZ, Im all for it and they should start with daily A 346s to first test the market then upgrade to a B 744 in the peak winter-summer seasons where demand over exceeds supply. But for VS to be successful, it must fly to YYZ from LHR so that it can take pax onwards to DEL-SIN-JNB-CPT-LOS all of which are popular destinations with resident and expat Canadians plus local holidaymakers.


User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6415 times:


Behramjee...Always the voice of reason. Another thoughful and well written post.

G


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

But for VS to be successful, it must fly to YYZ from LHR so that it can take pax onwards to DEL-SIN-JNB-CPT-LOS all of which are popular destinations with resident and expat Canadians plus local holidaymakers.

Not just connecting traffic....but LHR yields are higher since LHR captures the business traffic destined for London as LGW is less convenient.

Indeed, VS stated in 2001 that the reason YYZ flights were from LGW was due to a lack of slots at LHR.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6304 times:

This summer? I would think if it was to be restarted this summer an announcement would already have been made!

That would be great if they did restart because finally BA would have some competition here! (Fights for Lower ticket prices)

Martin



Chelsea Football Club supporter.
User currently offlineQuebecair727 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6270 times:

Even though I would love to see VS in YUL, I don't think this will happen. From YUL, UK is well served on a daily basis. UK is not France. The natural link that exists between Québec and France does not exist between Québec and UK.

User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6209 times:

Someone mentioned that Virgin could start service to YVR..

In the summertime, we have:

British Airways: 744, daily.
Air Canada: 763, three times daily.
Air Transat: 332, four times weekly (I believe) to LGW.
Thomas Cook: I can't remember if they fly to LGW or AMS, but it was daily service on 332 or 763.

Could we use another London flight in Vancouver? There was talk last summer of BA operating a second LHR flight - nothing more than a rumour, however.



EH.
25 CanadaEH : There is also service from Zoom to LGW, which I believe was once weekly.
26 Post contains images FLYYUL : The YUL rumour - as unfounded as it may seem, some VS executive told the Montreal media that it has been favorably viewed and would receive service in
27 Canuckpaxguy : Is Zoom still flying? Hey Mark -- How was the cruise? G
28 C-GRYK : LOL Markus! I'll even wear my purple Virgin shirt for ya! We need more virgins in Toronto... Jeremy
29 Cayman : Mark, on this part of your last post we are 100% in agreement...all the VS talk is speculation and rumour and must be qualified accordingly...... And
30 FLYYUL : nah Mike, I just went to SXM (I got jetblasted by an AA757), and recovering from it! Going to BGI and FDF. best Regards, Mark
31 Post contains images Behramjee : First of all...with regards to YVR...BA flies a B 744 daily, AC flies an A 333 nonstop daily as well as a B 763 BUT VIA YYZ thus not nonstop. Is there
32 Canuckpaxguy : Mark, If you're still on the cruise --- What the hell are you doing on the computer? Go to the sundeck man; or hit the bar and meet a girl. If you eve
33 Post contains images CanadaEH : Behramjee: I was refering to summertime flights, not winter flights.
34 Yyz717 : The YYZ-LHR market has too much competition for VS to perhaps succesfully make it. VS usually thrives in competition. They have nothing to fear from A
35 Post contains images FLYYUL : "LOL...Mark..you're the biggest rumour merchant around! You start threads based on rumours about YUL all the time!" -And ive got the sources, and the
36 Post contains images Yyz717 : And about AZ and your smart azz comment (which is the only thing your good for these days), I dare you to call Ernesto D'allesandro (or you may email
37 FLYYUL : And so what? What is Virgin to YYZ? At this point, what is Turkish/EK/SQ/BMI and all this talk about new service to YYZ? Sounds like YYZ noise to me.
38 LH423 : I have to agree with Yyz717, if/when VS resumes service it will most likely be with the A340-300, not -600. The only reason I could see them starting
39 MAH4546 : First of all...with regards to YVR...BA flies a B 744 daily, AC flies an A 333 nonstop daily as well as a B 763 BUT VIA YYZ thus not nonstop. June thr
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