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Why Doesn't UA Fly To The Mexican Resort Areas?  
User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Many U.S. scheduled carriers offer service, mostly on a seasonal basis, to the popular Mexican tourist areas....

Acapulco---served by AA, CO, NW, HP

Cancun---DL, AA, US, TZ, CO, SY, F9, NW, NK, AS, HP, U5

Cozumel---US, AA, NW, CO, SY

Ixatpa---TZ, AA, F9, C0, AS, NW, HP

Los Cabos---DL, AA, F9, C0, HP, NW, AS

Manzanillo---HP, CO, AS, SY

Mazatlan---F9, C0, SY, HP, AS

Puerto Vallarta---AA, TZ, NW, C0, AS, SY, HP, F9

It seems quite surprising that none of these destinations are served by United Airlines. Does anyone know the reason why?

Many of these airlines offer only one flight per week to these destinations, and most of these flights operate as part of an air/hotel tour package (Northwest World Vacations, America West Vacations, etc). But still, it is strange not to see United ....wouldn't people travel on a United Vacations package to Mexico?




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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

It is because they had Mexicana handle all those services. Although Mexicana and United have terminated thier codesharing agreement and Mexicana is leaving Star Alliance.

United Airlines begins non-stop service between Washington Dulles and Cancun next month.



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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Its was under a different name that they served these cities, it was called Mexicana! We know where that is going. Now it will be USAirways if they survive. If I am correct, I think UA will be starting IAD-CUN soon. Anyone here from UAL able to help?
ASSFO



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

I know UA used to serve CUN and they even flew DC-8's down there, but that's been MANY years ago. I have a cousin (by marrige) who flies for UA and he used fly that route.
I'm pretty sure that since MX is a member of Star, perhaps they probably codeshare on the Mexican Routes.  Smile



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

That is correct for UA was serve nonstop from IAD to CUN flight and which one is quite doing very well with the passengers. Yes, this is perfect way to see with more city in Mexico and I know DL was some city is flew in, too.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

UA will serve CUN on Saturdays only with an A320 out of IAD. With Mexicana leaving Star soon,wonder what will happen ?


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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

UA served CUN back in the 80's and early 90's. They just restarted it back up. They flew LAX-SJD also for a little bit. I guess the routes didn't make money for them. Its hard to compete with AS out of LAX to Mexico I guess.

User currently offlineORD747CLE From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

I wonder if we see some expansion in Mexico with Mexicana leaving Star shortly.

Personally, I would like to see UA go back to MUB like DL, but I don't know if that's likely to happen anytime soon.

Ord747Cle


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

In my opinion (I may be wrong), UA did not mind not flying to cities like ACA, CUN, PVR, etc. because MX was its codeshare partner. Now that MX is no longer a partner of UA, UA might want to consider starting flights to some coastal destinations in Mexico. At the moment, UA lags well behind the other major airlines from the U.S. in terms of destinations in Mexico (and also behind some smaller airlines and LCC's).

In addition, I also guess that UA was counting on USAirways to help it serve some destinations in Mexico (they already do CUN and COZ from CLT and, possibly, from PHI, I am not sure). I don't know if USAirways is still bound to become a member of Star Alliance now that it is in a dire situation (I don't even know if they will survive), and my guess is that if USAirways doesn't join Star, UA will have to make a decision to fly to Mexican beaches or not soon.

In then end, it seems to me it will all boil down to whether doing that is profitable or not. These cities are evidently leisure destinations and what does it for leisure travelers is not frequent flyer programs, brand recognition (service differentiation) or any of the things that matter to business travelers. What does it for them is low fares, so it remains to be seen whether UA will want to take the risk of competing with majors and LCC's in a market where margins are low.

A question just to satisfy my curiosity: which Star Alliance airlines have flights to one or more Mexican beach cities? I guess AC might have a couple and perhaps RG might have a flight to CUN. Anybody know?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

which Star Alliance airlines have flights to one or more Mexican beach cities? I guess AC might have a couple and perhaps RG might have a flight to CUN. Anybody know?

Cancun: AC to YUL, YVR, YYC, and YYZ; DE to FRA; RG to GRU

Cozumel: AC to YYZ

Ixtapa: AC to YYC

Puerto Vallarta: AC to YYC, YVR, YYZ



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4013 times:

I'd like to see more United flights out of Denver and Los Angeles to Mexico. Los Cabos, Puerto Vallarta, some of the other resorts. Of course, most of this is leisure flying and I wonder if United can make money...fewer business flyers and not much cargo in the belly. How does AA do it? Let's hope Star finds another member to cover Mexico unless UA and US are willing to make a major commitment.

User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3951 times:

Part of the business plan of TED is to enable UA to enter leisure markets such as more Mexican destinations and Carribean flying. I've heard from a few sources at SFO and World Headquarters to expect lots of new "sunshine flying" with TED over the next couple of years. It made no business sense for Mainline with high costs to fly to a low yeild destination, but with TED's cheap rate it's economically viable.

FA4UA



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User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 3922 times:

UA also served Cozumel as well as Merida at the same time.
From July 2,1981 timetable: Merida-CUN-JFK dep 2:05p arr 8:50p Th only
Merida-ORD dep 2:25p arr 6:40p Mo only
Not much service, but Merida wasn't much of a touristy place as CZM or CUN.

HAGD


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 3883 times:

I have 2 UA route maps one from the mid 90's and one from '98 and there is drastic drop in Mexican/Latin destinations served by UA between the 2.

Mid-90's
MIA to
MEX, Guatemala City, San Salvador, San Jose, Panama City,Caracas, Santiago, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Rio De Janeiro.

MEX to
MIA, MCO, LAX, SFO, IAD, ORD, San Salvador, Guatemala City, San Jose, DEN

So as you can see, UA really had a big presence at MIA and MEX, now look at '98

MIA to
Caracas, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Lima

MEX to
ORD, IAD, San Jose, LAX, SFO

Big difference huh? Now some of it could be Mexicana and the Star Alliance, but is that enough for UA to drop 5 cities/add 1 from MIA and drop 5 from MEX in a span of 3 years


User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 3858 times:

speaking of Caracas (CCS)... UA used to have a Flight Attendant Base there to handle this flying.

more fun trivia to impress your friends at cocktail parties!

FA4UA



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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 3840 times:
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It made no business sense for Mainline with high costs to fly to a low yeild destination, but with TED's cheap rate it's economically viable.


I'm still unsure of that; UA's own press releases have maintained that Ted will have the same costs as mainline does.



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User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

after we emerge from Ch. 11 our costs will have moved south significantly. Our CASM used to be around 11 cents if memory serves with a forecast of post-chapter 11 being around 8.5 cents.

FA4UA



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Again, how do American Airlines, Continental and Delta make money on flights to Mexico? If they can, why can't United?

User currently offlineLatinAviation From Ireland, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

speaking of Caracas (CCS)... UA used to have a Flight Attendant Base there to handle this flying.

UA never had a CCS flight attendant base, though they did have a substantial amount of employees for only a daily flight. UA did have a FA base in Santiago, Chile (SCL) that flew SCL-MIA and SCL-LIM-MIA.


User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

For more trivia, United at one time also flew to Acapulco and Cabo San Lucas.

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