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UA With WN-style Flights?  
User currently offlineJc5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

I noticed something in the current UA schedule. Check these UA flights out....


1254 TUS-DEN-DSM-ORD-CLE
1298 HDN-DEN-DFW-ORD-BDL
792 DEN-OMA-ORD-DAY
446 DEN-DFW-ORD-CLT
576 BIL-DEN-MCI-ORD-PIT
791 DEN-IAH-ORD-IND

Almost all are 737s, but a few are Airbuses.

I have not seen this kind of through-flight activity before. Other than the usual one stop stuff such as BOS-LAX-KOA, MCO-ORD-DEN and DEN-LAX-HNL.

Anyone else think this is wierd?

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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

This isn't unusual at all. If you'll notice every other stop is a United hub. This is what they've been doing for years...hub and spoke....and losing money, unfortunately.

User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

I used to like the SFO-RNO-EKO-ELY-SLC-DEN route. I wonder if the fare was same as nonstop SF-DEN flight?

Saves on flight number usage as well.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

That's not entirely true. Here in OMA, we are directly between DEN and ORD. Everything that comes from DEN goes back. Everything that comes from ORD goes back. I was shocked to see OMA listed above... this MAY be something new.


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User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

One way for UA to save money on cleaning is by numbering as many flights in this manner as possible. The flight attendants are responsible for tidying the aircraft if it's a through flight. If it's an terminating flight no cleaning is required by our contract.

This saves thousands of dollars a year on cleaning expenses.

FA4UA



The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

So the plane gets cleaned by someone else on a terminating flight?




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User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Exactly InnocuousFox. At smaller stations the customer service reps come onboard and clean, at larger stations and hubs we have cleaning staff that comes onboard.

FA4UA



The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
User currently offlineBistro1200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Also it appears in a GDS as a point-to-point flight with stops, like WN does out of PHX (PHX-MCI-MDW-CLE). Kind of like getting two birds with one stone.


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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Actually I think that the flight numbering explaination is more correct. As UA has ramped up the UA/US codeshare we went from codeshare numbers 2000-2999 to 1800-3999. Now even 1700 to 3999. Many mainline UA flights were in the 1700s and 1800s. UA always had a ORD-PHL 1776 (get it). Now that number is a US codeshare number. With those numbers used, more and more flight numbers continue on after they reach a hub. There is a BOS-BOI with 3 stops. BOS-ORD-DFW-DEN-BOI, probably the same routing for the aircraft it always had but now the airplane keeps the flight number all the way through.

User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

InnocuousFox
I think a lot of airlines have underestimated OMA. We need More LCC interest, like AirTran, JetBlue, Spirit, etc.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

"I think a lot of airlines have underestimated OMA. We need More LCC interest, like AirTran, JetBlue, Spirit, etc."

There has been talk for a number of months about trying to lure another carrier here. I'm thinking it may very well be AirTran,Alaska or Horizon.



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User currently offlineJc5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Bicoastal....

Yes UA has done the hub and spoke structure for years, and through flights, but not at this caliber. Through flights in the past were two segments usually with a hub in between...and/or those long International flights. That is common. These examples are not common. Even my friends at UA were suprised to see these examples.

The FA cleaning thing is interesting. I never thought of that as a possible reason.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1569 times:

"I never thought of that as a possible reason."

It's like more of a fringe-benefit thing than a reason.



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User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1553 times:

seems like its an aircraft utilization issue too, right? rather than have one plane go DEN-OMA and sit there until it's arrival bank time for OMA-DEN, and then have another plane do ORD-OMA and wait to go back to ORD, you have it timed so both can leave sooner as the returns legs to the hubs - different from the one they came from.

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

That doesn't make a lot of sense... instead of the DEN-OMA flight waiting for the return to a bank time in DEN, you would just end up waiting to match the bank time for ORD instead. In fact, since a hub system works best with the feeders that are an average distance from the hub (which OMA is for both ORD and DEN) it isn't hard to have them go out together and come back together.


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User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

it makes sense if the return trip to ORD - according to the arrival bank at ORD - warrants a departure earlier than one back to DEN.

i think UA and other carriers who serve more than 1 hub from a particular destination do this quite often, albeit usually with different flight numbers.


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