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Westjet Announces A Tripling Of YYZ Service  
User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5981 times:

WestJet Announces A Tripling of Toronto Service

CALGARY, ALBERTA--WestJet today announced the following changes to its
schedule effective April 18, 2004. These changes are part of WestJet's
2004 expansion plans announced on December 22, 2003 but include schedule
details as well as details of a redeployment of capacity from Hamilton
to Toronto. To facilitate this redeployment, WestJet will be moving its
Toronto operations to the larger Terminal 1 (New) from Terminal 3 on
April 8, 2004. A complete list of WestJet's schedule changes is
available in the accompanying Schedule Change Backgrounder.

Clive Beddoe, WestJet's President, CEO and Executive Chairman, said
today: "I am very pleased to announce the details of this, the
latest phase of our aggressive schedule enhancements for 2004 which will
provide 1,580 weekly network departures. These changes are made possible
by the addition of one new 737-700 series aircraft and the redeployment
of capacity from Hamilton.

"These schedule enhancements have also been made possible by the
opening of and our move to Terminal 1 (New) in Toronto's Pearson
International Airport. With this move WestJet will now occupy a prime
location in Canada's largest airport and will have the opportunity to
serve from Toronto the key markets of Montreal, Ottawa, Halifax and
Winnipeg, improving profitability as a result. Our guests have continued
to ask us to provide WestJet services between these major Canadian
cities and we are pleased that this new schedule will allow us to meet
this demand."

WestJet's new schedule, effective April 18, 2004, features 1,580 weekly
departures across Canada, including 182 from Toronto's Pearson
International Airport, nearly triple today's Toronto schedule.

Throughout 2004, WestJet will add 11 new Next-Generation aircraft to its
fleet. WestJet currently operates a fleet of 44 Boeing 737 aircraft, 25
of which are state-of-the-art Next-Generation 700-series aircraft
equipped with leather seats and enhanced legroom. WestJet will be
installing live seatback satellite TV on its entire fleet of 737-700
aircraft.


For information on route changes go to:
http://www2.ccnmatthews.com/scripts/dnrp/release.asp?d=/cnrpxml/2004/1/14/209356_3_0114200461014AM.xml&t=WJA


EH.
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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

Seems things in Canada are about the same is in the U.S. LCC hitting the "incubmant" (AC) where it hurts. Hope AC can continue to get themselves on track before its too late! Otherwise great news for all except maybe Hamilton.

User currently offlineTennisace From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5811 times:

Wow!! Talk about a turnaround in philosophy. WJ originally had huge plans for Hamilton, now it is being scaled right back. I'm sure the Hamilton airport authority and many residents there will not be impressed with WJ much anymore, after all the promises they made. I guess they're chasing the money to YYZ. Looking at the new flight schedules, I see that Westjet will indeed be making connections in YYZ, so this is another about face. And in T-New to boot! I assumed that T-New was all for AC or Star Alliance.
Just shocking, shocking news.........but Clive hasn't been wrong yet.


User currently offlineRattibone From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

This is awesome! T1-New was primariliy going to be for AC and Star Alliance but with this announcement, T1-New is offically a common use terminal. This is going to be great. Watching an airline doing very well competiting head to head and in the same terminal with an airline with difficulties. I can't wait to see how this will be.

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Hamilton must be really unhappy - losing about 11 flights a day. That leaves them with about 6 departures a day. Most of the losses are flights to Montreal and Ottawa - all switched from Hamilton to Toronto.

WS must have gotten a good deal from GTAA to move into the new Terminal 1. It'll be interesting to see if they have anything set up in time for the next trial on January 24th. Probably not, as they don't start flying from there until April 18.


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5767 times:

Not a good strategy.

This will be the start of a new trend. West Jet on the decline.

Air Canada, as it emerges from bankruptcy will be able to compete head to head with WestJet. AC will kill them as soon as they get those new RJs

WestJet offers shit service, no Aeroplan miles, no nothin....



User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

So they reduce Hamilton to nearly nothing.
Everytime AC drops a single route short after inauguration, there's a big bashing going on here. WS is dropping a hub a couple of years after opening it - and gets applause.
Kind of weird.....


User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

They're not dropping a hub - they're moving it 33 nm from YHM to YYZ.

User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

I am surprised that we haven't heard from FLYYUL on this one......

I think the GTAA is going to address the costs issue and is trying to stimulate new business. There is lots of active interest in YYZ these days, especially from a number of big international carriers. Now WS needs to come up with some means of booking pax out of country...not necessarily code share but even a preferred price or something that could provide some degree of seamless travel.

Meanwhile AC can go off and set up all the unnecessary secondary hubs they want, spend huge sums of money doing it and push themselves further towards the cliff....


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Very interesting and weird news if you ask me. I agree with Tennisace. Seems as though the philosophy is changing at WS. Let's look at the changes they have made in the recent past (not necessarily in chronological order, but close).

- Replacing the old 737-200's with all brand new 73G aircraft. Some will argue that they could have been more conservative and purchased slightly used second generation 737's, and maybe combine those with some new 73G's. Whether or not anyone agrees with the purchase of the new 73G's in such a large scale, it shows a less conservative approach to acquiring aircraft. This costs a lot of money, but should also save a lot of expenses in the long-haul.

- Expansion to eastern Canada. Expanding away from their core market around YYC and other airports in mainly Alberta, B.C. and Manitoba, also costs a lot of money. You need the infrastructure, new contracts at airports, ground handling, equipment, staffing, and of course advertising and other expenses. This was a bold move, and eventhough WS did a great job of it, I am sure there were many people nervous about expansion. There are many unknowns. They were chartering into new territory. This has obviously done very very well for them though.

-Starting service YYZ. After successfully establishing YHM as their eastern hub, with their low costs and serving not only the Greater Toronto Area, but also areas west of there that are more conveniently accessible to YHM, WS also increased their cost structure I am sure with service to YYZ. The yields are surely higher in YYZ, but higher costs are also reflected in this change. Landing, parking and other fees must be considerably higher. This to me also signals a continued change in the philosophy at WS where increasing costs to attract higher yields is a good thing.

-Bell ExpressVue Satellite TV. Adding PTV's with live 24 (I think?) satellite TV to every seat also increases costs. The idea here is to attract more business, and potentially higher fares. Again, higher cost structure to attract not only more passengers but higher yields.

-Increased seat pitch to 34". 34" of seat pitch! That is excellent! That is roughly the same as the 34-35" in AA's much enjoyed MRTC in their long-haul aircraft. I believe their domestic aircraft have slightly less legroom in MRTC than the WS aircraft. But the cynic in me begs a questions ... as some of us know, adding PTV's to seats noticeably reduces the usable space for passenger's legs. Is the seat pitch increased to add the same number of inches of legroom, or is it partly or fully to compensate for the addition of the PTV's? Regardless ... the fact they can advertise the legroom will allow them to increase yields.

-Today's news. Already well dealt with above by other members.

The bottom line is this. Whether or not it is a good move or not, WS is clearly going away from being a strictly low-cost airline. They are increasing the number of frills on board for passengers. They are adding brand new aircraft at a very quick pace. They are moving into the most expensive terminal in the most expensive airport in Canada. They are increasing their cost structure to attract higher yields. I just hope they don't get greedy. Jetsgo and Canjet will clearly have lower cost structures (if they are close to being as efficient as WS).

All in all, way to go WS! Good luck!



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

I did not YHM was that close to YYZ!

User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5645 times:

Not a good strategy.
This will be the start of a new trend. West Jet on the decline.
Air Canada, as it emerges from bankruptcy will be able to compete head to head with WestJet. AC will kill them as soon as they get those new RJs
WestJet offers shit service, no Aeroplan miles, no nothin....


How do you know this is a poor strategy? Hamilton's airport is maxed out right now for capacity, perhaps the redeployment (notice how the word redeployment was used in the news release) is temporary until a new terminal is built in YHM? The flights cut from Hamilton were mainly short haul flights (YUL, YOW) but the long haul (YYC, YEG, YQM) flights were kept, but with less frequency. We recently built a hangar in Hamilton which we paid for - and we don't normally throw money around, which leads me to believe that perhaps in the future, once a new terminal is built in YHM, that more flights will be added back there. Just my opinion though.

We don't offer Aeroplan miles, we don't codeshare with other airlines, and we don't have lounges. So what? How exactly do we offer shit service? Our 27 consecutive quarters reflect out popularity, so tell me how we offer shit service?



EH.
User currently offlineYHU From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

True, but I don't think AC setting up secondary hubs, whethere it be YVR, YUL or YYC, is what's pushing them OVER the cliff. I think they have much bigger problems than that. Many airlines around the world have at least one Secondary hub and are doing fine.

As for Westjet and YHM, I am very disapointed to see the YUL-YHM service go. And not, I'm not glossing. I have to get from Montreal to the Niagara region about 4 times a year. So the Westjet service was VERY usefull. But, I guess if it's not making money then it's not making money. It was just nice flying into a small, quiet terminal that much closer to where I was going.

Dave


User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

My 2 cent at first I was not happy but a few things 1 this opens up opportunity for other airline to fill the gaps and airlines have been speaking Hamilton Airport Authority. Im sure jetsgo and Canjet are kinda not happy about this so we shally see. Whether or not this was a good move last I looked Westjet stock was dropping. Like was mentioned earlier I don't think this is really bad and once the HAA gets thier heads on straight and spends some money we should see an increased presence again. They have a hangar here. Its just going to be interesting to see how some of the other airlines respond to this.


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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

WS has a vested interest in YHM.

I'm surprised no-one here has compared this to the fact that WN in the 'States operates to something like four airports in the LA Metro area - granted, Toronto isn't close to Los Angeles in terms of market size, but the strategy is also similar. So is the current WS setup in the YVR metro area - while they fly quite a few parrallel flights out of YXX to (mostly to YYC and YEG), which isn't all that far away.

And no, apparently the YHM-YUL flights weren't making piles of money. They weren't even half-full, even during Xmas, as far as I was told....

And a lot of the flights from YHM-YOW actually continued onto YYT and YQX, which were also cut out of YOW. Why were they cut? Because they probably flew out of YHM with more far pax for YYT than for YOW.... so it'll probably be replaced by a non-stop.

WestJet on the decline? Hrm, well.... the stock price may go down marginally, but I'd guess it's still a sound investment. The activity I saw on the TSX were some small sales of shares, but the price looked to be holding steady. It's still hovering around $28/share.... while Air Canada hovers around $1.50 a share.



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User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Cayman -- I am surprised that we haven't heard from FLYYUL on this one......

He's busy (maybe in the middle of the Caribbean right now, on his way to St. Maarten and likely at least a bit of spotting there amongst other things. Maybe he'll visit you too, who knows  Smile )


But about the Westjet big news today-- wow, sure is a downer for air travelers to and from the Niagara peninsula region :- / And chopping YUL-YHM entirely okay I guess that's only natural if they're going to move the flights --and expand frequency overall in the process-- to and from YYZ T1N instead.

However chopping YOW-YHM down to 0 too, sheesh that one seems a mite harsh. Seems to me there oughtta be at least a market for a daily departure there -- but oh well maybe it's just temporary for a few months while YHM Admin (and Hamilton Chamber of Commerce guys and whoever else) perhaps get together to make some sort of decision to get jetbridges at YHM so it can become a more real 12-months-a-year airport or something like that. Hope that's all it is, and that afterwards --maybe even by year's end if all goes well for them at YYZ with the newly expanded operations there, WS can beef up YHM service again too.


Sure going to be interesting to see how AC freaks out about handles the gauntlet thrown down for the premier inter-city route in the country (YUL<-->YYZ). Going to be a few interesting little fireworks there for a while, I imagine. Jetsgo is in for some challenges too though-- their MD80s departing a half-dozen or so times daily on the run currently seem to be about 1/3 full, on average. Yikes now what are they going to do when here Westjet redraws the landscape and throws some 20 or so percent more seats into the total mix, all in one fell swoop. It can't look good for Jetsgo , even though what they're doing currently seems to be kind of loss-leader connection traffic for the route anyway.


Huge Westjet newsday overall though -- today they announce they're "reaching the summit" of Canadian domestic air travel service (such as it is anyway, heh  Smile ) I wish 'em well!



P.S. Also great that YUL-YWG nonstops are to be inaugurated, as part of all this too. Good news and well ahead of summertime, to boot.




User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

CanadaEh....

I travel regularly from YYZ to YEG (about 20 times a year) . I can always get the same price if not cheaper on AC than WestJet. Here's what I get from AC: Food, entertainment, access to lounge, Aeroplan Miles, better schedule.

Why would I want to switch to WestJet...

WestJet wants to compete here in the East, but their strategy just isn't going to work. The market is saturated given how cheap airfares are.

Hamilton offers lower cost structure, quicker turnaround time and a niche market. WestJet just pissed off a significant portion of the Hamilton catchment area.


User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

This just in Westjet orders A330s to begin transatlantic operations. This for next year Also just in Westjet also buys out Canjet.


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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Yhm...
where did you get that from???/


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Yegbey01-- Here's what I get from AC: Food, entertainment, access to lounge, Aeroplan Miles, better schedule.

YYZ T1New will probably be a leveler, when it comes to airport infrastructure that WS gets to make use of versus what AC gets --the place is so huge that pretty much anybody that flies in there stands to benefit from the faciilites. As for IFE Westjet isn't going to be able to be touched by anybody in Canadian skies, period, in a few months' time. Food options, okay, that's about the only real downside to flying Westjet, especially on medium and longhaul (but then hey, make or buy a sandwich to bring aboard, okay no silverware or cups, plates and trays to play with and be somewhat more elegant using, but then no real biggie, especially if the electronic form of IFE is great instead  Smile

Plan points, okay for anybody with tons of Aéroplan points already, AC does make a whole lot of sense over Westjet.


WestJet wants to compete here in the East, but their strategy just isn't going to work. The market is saturated given how cheap airfares are.

It's a risk, all right, no question about it-- today's announcement is one of the biggest in their entire history. Maybe even THE biggest. Sure going to be interesting to see the fireworks that come from this on the 'Rapidair' circuit (YUL/YOW-YYZ). I think they'll be okay, though I do worry now more than ever about how Jetsgo's going to do .


Hamilton offers lower cost structure, quicker turnaround time and a niche market.

Too small a niche for YUL . O &D market for the Niagara peninsula is probably 2 737s a week, 3 in summertime. On the whole, not that much at all and probably not worth WestJet's while given YYZ is so close by and SO much more O&D as well as now even Westjet-connection-alluring instead. Even same-plane service too, with the new sked--their new YUL-YYZ flights in the morning go on to Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Calgary, even Vancouver, with just one YYZ stop in-between. Sunday service even one-stop same-plane to Saskatoon from YUL -- two-stops to Victoria  Smile

But for YOW, yeah it is real sad that they're axe-ing everything here. Though I do have to think it's just temporary -- and let's face it, YHM if it is so great and handy a YYZ alternative then it should be able to get by with other interested parties in Canada besides just Westjet who are not by any means closing down there altogether, as has been pointed out already here. Plus there remains the issue of YHM getting jetbridges to be a true 'all season, all weather" YYZ bypass -- I guess in another year or so some plans will be set in motion to address this by the airport Admin and local community interests.

WestJet just pissed off a significant portion of the Hamilton catchment area.

It's true it's kind of a black day for Niagara Peninsula air travelers, however I think they --and the airport-- will still be all right in any event. YHM is still going to have a lot of Westjet flights, especially considering the size of its catchment area . And let's face it the routes it's losing outright, with the exception of YOW-YHM, it can probably get by with not having anyway, especially since daily nonstop service to YHZ, YQM, YEG, YYC is going to be preserved (according to Westjet website info, anyway). Not too shabby at all.


User currently offlineC-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Fly_yhm,
And the point of that was???

On topic, I think it's odd to see WS shrinking at YHM. They announced service there in 2000 with quite a bit of hype. I was under the impression they were in YHM for the long haul. Oh well I guess market forces dictate the change of focus. Good luck Westjet! They will give AC a run for their money that's for sure.

Jeremy

PS. I'm wondering what's gonna happen with AC's proposed YHM-YUL flights now? (rhetorical question... no response needed  Laugh out loud)

[Edited 2004-01-14 22:50:36]

[Edited 2004-01-14 22:51:09]


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User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

Yegbey01--Yhm...
where did you get that from???


C'mon. It's a black day for the YHM community. Only natural there'd be some disappointment even cynicism, over today's news, as it does look like kinda a betrayal of sorts from a YHM perspective.

Even with all the cutbacks though they're still going to have --with the exception of YOW service which I really think should be reinstated-- quite good service levels indeed, given the size of the catchment market.


User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

What a debacle for both Hamilton and Toronto airports. With reduction in Westjet service at Hamilton, I think the question of terminal expansion is put in serious jeoporady. It is difficult for investors to put new money into a terminal when the largest tennant is reducing flights. The question of YHM trans-border flights is also not looking good. As for YYZ, the entire design of T1-New was to be a hub for Air Canada. Terminal designs were modified to allow convenient hubbing at YYZ for Air Canada, and this raised design and engineering costs significantly. With Westjet using T1-New, it appears the terminal is being used differently from what it was designed for. GTAA will claim that the terminal was built for O&D passengers, yet the piers were specially integrated to allow hubbing. For YYZ this is by no means a disaster like in YHM, but its a bit of a shame that such a mega-terminal will not be used as it was intended, sorta like Terminal 3 for Canadian Airlines.

User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Spyderz-- With Westjet using T1-New, it appears the terminal is being used differently from what it was designed for. GTAA will claim that the terminal was built for O&D passengers, yet the piers were specially integrated to allow hubbing.

Well it's only natural that AC gets the prime real-estate wherever in Canada they fly, really. Even if it's not always --or even is often not-- desireable for the littler guys Though it's good at least that Westjet will be there "right from the outset", so maybe that puts them at a bit less of a disadvantage than otherwise. Hope so, anyway.

Plus when it comes to "terminal being used differently from what it was designed for", is there anything more glaring in that department in Canada than YUL  Smile Still a little more than a year away before the International facilities are going to be any good at all. And the domestic side, lol, a bit cruddy in general and for everybody --AC check-in is actually even probably the worst since the lineup space alloted to it way up front with the original 40+ year old design is woefully inadequate. Situation may even continue that way for another two or three years or so, too, though there is talk of pushing back those AC check-in desks sometime sooner. Wouldn't hold my breath about that one though, lol.

And it's going to be real interesting to see what YUL gates Westjet gets for all those new flights, especially the YYZ shuttles since the past year they've been marooned out at the old aeroquay , with tunnel and all, at Gates 37 and 39 along with the likes of Jetsgo and Canjet. Talk about not-very-accomodating digs compared to AC! ( which hogs pretty much all of the domestic pier and will have turf rights on the brand-new gates 47-49 and their boarding lounges along the airside facade of the main terminal building as well.)


As for YHM and the bid to get terminal upgrade work --whether just jetbridges or way more than that-- and transborder sked service, etc, yeah it's going to be tough sledding at least for a little while, anyway. Still though, Toronto's way too huge a market for YHM to every really shrink from the role it has now -- with no Pickering airport or anything and Buttonville still being basically GA-grade, Toronto has to have some kind of contingency alternative nearby, and of course YHM is it. So the airport'll be okay, even if today is a sad today for its fans and users and business interests and so on.


User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

AC cheaper then Westjet? I think not. The only fares that match WJ are Tango fares and that takes up what 10% of the plane?

25 Fly_yhm : C-GRYK The point of my sarcasm earlier was exactly that sarcasm I repeat it was sarcasm and I know I didn't spell it right. Anyway I think this will h
26 Post contains images CanadaEH : To end all speculation, there is a big reason that Westjet moved operations to YYZ - capacity. Back in 2000, Westjet had plans to expand its presence
27 Post contains images CanadaEH : Westjet share's are up $1.77 as of 14:48 PST. Apparently the investing community believes in WJ...
28 Behramjee : If West Jet really wants to hurt AC then I advise them to install PTVs in all its B 737-700s especially those flying trans-continental flights from YY
29 YHU : Eh....but they already announced that they are adding PTV's to their aircraft. Dave
30 CanadaEH : Like YHU said, we've already announced that we're installing BellExpressVu LiveTV in all of our 737-700's. We were supposed to start installing it bac
31 MEL : On a side note, Westjet just took delivery of another new -700 today C-FWSF... arrived from BFI.
32 Whiteguy : Great more competition in YYZ. Looks like WJ is starting the battle, lets hope Clive is man enough about it when AC starts fighting back and doesn't r
33 Behramjee : Ok I never knew that WJ had already announced that theyre having tvs installed in their B 737-700s...v v v wise and this now provides them with an ext
34 Robsawatsky : "Great more competition in YYZ. Looks like WJ is starting the battle, lets hope Clive is man enough about it when AC starts fighting back and doesn't
35 Goose : Great more competition in YYZ. Looks like WJ is starting the battle, lets hope Clive is man enough about it when AC starts fighting back and doesn't r
36 CanadaEH : That's interesting, timing the move around the same time AC is supposed to exit bankruptcy protection. I never thought about that but it makes perfect
37 Goose : Well, if the HAA did drag its ass in building a new pax terminal, they really brought WS' move on themselves. I'm just curious to know if the HAA thou
38 Fly_yhm : Your all right most of the reason for the move is because of the HAA lack of movement on the construction side. They are now talking aobut not buildin
39 Yegbey01 : All of you Hamilton residents... just abandon Westjet. AC is the better choice.
40 Goose : All of you Hamilton residents... just abandon Westjet. AC is the better choice. Uhm, considering that Air Canada mainline, nor any of their subsidiari
41 Yegbey01 : I used to live out west (in Edmonton) and I flew WestJet regularly to YYC. It was a short hop. Last time I flew WestJet, was from YYZ to YEG. Most boa
42 YHU : "What is WestJet goint to offer regular travellers????" TV's on the backs of the seats? AC doesn't offer that. Dave
43 Yegbey01 : You have to pay to have access to these TV's right?
44 Captaingomes : I don't think anything's been determined regarding whether the live TV will be free, but indications are that it will be free for all users. If you wa
45 Mark_D. : Yegbey, you sound a bit eager here, to maybe cast some aspersions on Westjet or something like that. Westjet may not be "Intercontinental First Class"
46 Dash8King : All of you Hamilton residents... just abandon Westjet. AC is the better choice. Like what are you ten? Abandoning the only scheduled passenger service
47 Lymanm : If I wanted to watch TV, I'd stay home and do it. The seat pitch is better than any airline. That being said, I'd love to have the new EK A340-500 Fir
48 Goose : P.S. IF ANYONE KNOWS FORSURE ABOUT THE 73'S WITH THE LEATHER SEATS ARE THEY OLD AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRCRAFT??? No, the leather seats were installed on
49 Goose : Lymanm .... well, I'm sure AC has thought of offering Internet on-board... but really, that'd only benefit folks who would use laptop computers - not
50 YHU : Yeah, I seem to remember that the PTV's will be free as they install them into the aircraft. Once they are installed in all aircraft, they will decide
51 A380 : Any possibility of Jetsgo picking up the void in YHM?
52 Whiteguy : FLTGUY you may love the 717 but you've never flown on one with Jetsgo. As for prices on WJ I have talked to people that have found cheaper flights on
53 Yegbey01 : For all of you guys who just like to bash AC. YES, AC has low fares just as low as WestJet. you can always find $79 fares between (YYC or YEG) and Tor
54 Dash8King : AC fares. When AC turns around and lowers its fares to match them its called predatory pricing and everybody says poor WJ. That is because when they l
55 Post contains images Cessnapimp : Hey FLTGUY, Horrible spelling notwithstanding, please... Nothing has ever been accomplished by blatant overuse of caps in forums. Your points are in f
56 Yegbey01 : AC has so called Tango fares. You just have to go to AC's website. Always cheap fares. There are more restrictions on the N and T class fares, but the
57 Dash8King : YEG-YYZ Feb 1st morning flight. AC=$273, Tango is cheaper but that is only a few seats on the plane and therefore is just like a seat sale, there is a
58 Yegbey01 : You can get the $79 fare on 5 flights from YEg to YYZ Feb1. You better get your facts straight buddy
59 Dash8King : Tango fares can sell out very quickly because of the small capacity, then what do you do when the fare is $100 more then WJ? Jetsgo's $20 fare was a s
60 AirbusfanYYZ : It's great news for YYZ! Both Westjet and Jetsgo are growing and seem to be doing well, good for the Cdn. industry. However, my unscientific poll amon
61 Cessnapimp : No Dash8King, 65$ for not having F/A's jumping up and down the ailses wanting to "play WJ games" so you can get some work done. 65$ for good frequency
62 Dash8King : You can get the $79 fare on 5 flights from YEg to YYZ Feb1. You better get your facts straight buddy Tango fares are basically seat sales they take up
63 Yegbey01 : I got an upgrade this year while travelling from YUL to LHR using my free upgrade certificates. Let me tell ya...It's worth it
64 Dash8King : Really cessnapimp F/A's were jumping around eh? Thats funny I have had several flights with them and on AC and neither airlines have I ever experience
65 Dash8King : With all the extra money you spent you could have saved on WJ, you could have bought yourself that upgrade on that AC flight and still saved money ove
66 Yegbey01 : Dash8king, WestJet is not cheaper man.... Same price with less frequencies. I see it as a disadvantage.. who cares about the flight attendants telling
67 Dash8King : Every time I fly, I check out all the possibilities, WJ is cheaper. I am a student, if AC was cheaper I would be flying them. I am not trying to conve
68 CanadaEH : Last time I flew WestJet, was from YYZ to YEG. Most boaring 4 hour flight I have ever been on. If it wasn't for the 79 dollar ticket.. they wouldn't h
69 Crj 900 : I see WJ staying at TNEW until they start losing big money from rent at that terminal....
70 Yegbey01 : Walk up fares are not designed for students.... They are designed for business passengers (who may not really care how expensive they are) if they nee
71 CanadaEH : As per WJ's website: Our mission: To enrich the lives of everyone in WestJet's world by providing safe, friendly, affordable air travel. Our vision: W
72 Donder10 : How many flights from YYZ will WS now have?
73 CanadaEH : 26 flights a day on average. By the end of the year operations in YYZ could hit over 50 flights a day.
74 Donder10 : Excellent!I guess fares will be around $10 more one-way than YHM though? Seems as if YHM brought it on themselves to some extent.Are the GTAA and YHM
75 Whiteguy : Wow, I just did this on the respective websites: WS 652 Jan 19 Dep 0055 Arr 0635 YYC-YYZ WS 699 Jan 21 Dep 1320 Arr 1535 YYZ-YYC Total $299.69 AC 146
76 Yegbey01 : I've been saying all along: AC has cheaper fares than WestJet.
77 Whiteguy : I guess thats why they call it the WJ cult, when your always told your the cheapest you really start to belive it!
78 Slawko : WJ is not the only airline to have this kind of cult following among employees...It's got something to do with what they put in that teal kool-aid...
79 Samurai 777 : While it's true that WestJet's fares are definitely not always cheaper - but then again, isn't that the age-old strategy of predatory pricing on AC's
80 Goose : I don't think I've seen WS doesn't advertise having the lowest fares - they do advertise having low fares. That's a lot like how WN operates in the 'S
81 Yegbey01 : Goose, what's your point here???? Forget the past alright... I want the cheaper and the more convenient airfare and schedules NOW. And right now, AC i
82 Dash8King : I am pretty sure those fares quoted above are online only. If you were to walk up to the counter, or call you would not get the same price.
83 Donder10 : I've been saying all along: AC has cheaper fares than WestJet. Probably why AC are losing money at an impressive rate.
84 Whiteguy : Yes they are! But my point is that they are cheaper than WS. I also know people that have tried to get walk up fares and have found AC to be alot chea
85 Goose : YEGbey, I have absolutely no argument with you - you don't need to justify why you choose AC to me. I've flown on AC on occasion, and found them compa
86 Dash8King : . I also know people that have tried to get walk up fares and have found AC to be alot cheaper. I don't believe that for a minute. Once AC is out of C
87 Fly_yhm : A380 I hope someone does fill in that small void. Apparently HAA is talking with a few airlines. We shall see.
88 A380 : I found something odd with AC and destina.ca, I tried to book relatively cheap fares twice with AC and travelocity and destina, and they always return
89 Lymanm : "Once AC is out of CCAA, they will not be able to price as low either." I do not see how this is possible. When they emerge from CCAA, new employee co
90 CanadaEH : LOL, Tool of the Week! In the future I'll search a little harder and find some juicier quotes for you, maybe you'll give me consideration for Tool of
91 Post contains links Goose : Aside from their share price being at a 52-week high, there's more good news for WestJet...... http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/r
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