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Why No Transatlantic Low-cost  
User currently offlineMyk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

The question is simple, why are there no low cost airlines travelling between the UK, Germany or France and the US / Canada ??

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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

Would be nice... That would make Europe more reachable for me  Big grin


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

There is, at £199 LON-NYC at the moment on BA, now that is what I would call great value for money.

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Becasue there is no free market on transatlantic flights.

User currently offlineDtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Didn't Peoples Express try low cost transatlantic?


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User currently offlineAlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

There is no need to a low cost airline..there already is a lot of competition on the Transatlantic runs..in low season i have seen $199 JFK to LHR..how cheap do you want it? People seem to forget that an Airline is a business and it costs a lot of money to fly a plane/crew to/from Europe.
There of course a lot of government regulations along the way and if any low cost airline started up (a la LAKER Air) they would surely be killed by BA, LH, AF, etc...


User currently offlineGBOAC From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

Who the hell would want to spend 10hrs doing something like LHR-SFO with 500 other people, in a 29" pitch seat which doesn't recline, with no IFE and having to pay for all the drinks and food along the way?!?

Different type of market, different product expectations.

There are some great value fares about all year round and when the sales are on, well...as mentioned above £199 LHR-JFK (on a full-service carrier) is pretty cheap in my book!

Phil


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

It's only a matter of time...look at AA's single-class 757 "experiment" for this summer: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040114/daw001_1.html


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User currently offlineMyk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Don't forget that Airlib had their 90€ ticket for CDG-PTP

User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

That market is pretty thoroughly dominated by the majors--AA, UA, BA, VS. Also, slots at airports such as Heathrow are very, very limited. Don't forget, there WAS an LCC that crossed the Atlantic--Sir Freddie Laker's Skytrain, but it went bust when the other airlines undercut its fares.

User currently offlineDmerinop From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 160 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Yeh I agree with GBOAC,

Personally I think it´s very difficult and tiring a LHR-LAX flight on coach so... No way on a LCC!!! At least in major airlines I get free drinks, meal, audio, and meaby IFE so that would do for the moment.

Dani


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Didn't Peoples Express try low cost transatlantic?

Yes they did. They flew EWR-LGW for $149.00 one-way. You had to buy your food though. But for that price who cares.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4848 times:
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This is one of the hardest areas for the LCC's to compete! The LCC's rely on quick turns and keeping the planes being used and in the air. The International market is also at times just as low as what a LCC would charge, Jan to Mar BA from NYC to LON for roughly $199.00 before taxes is a pretty good deal, and at that rate the LCC's would be hard pressed to compete. Also for this distance people really look for the FF miles and upgrades, LCC's that operate a single aircraft type and all coach would again be hard pressed to compete. Also there are some options out there, MartinAir of Holland for one.


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

There was plans for an airline back in 2002 to launch a low cost carrier from London Luton to Portsmouth (USA) and another US destination. (I can't remember the name for the life of me - Can anyone help?)

At the time this received a lot a press coverage and the company released a very amatuerish website givng details of there plans. I remember them saying they would use 767-300 in an all economy configeration. They said they choose Luton because it was at the time the main UK base for easyJet and would allow people to connect.

From the moment they announced this there was many sceptics and both Luton Airport and the Civil Aviation Authority both said the airline hadn't spoke to them about their plans and Luton Airports runway would struggle to cope with 767-300's on Trans Atlantic routes due to it's length.

Nothing ever materialised.

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easyJet have registered the trade name "easyAtlantic" back in 2002 and there was rumours that easyJet may launch a Trans Atlantic subsidary but nothing has ever materialised. But you never know!


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

All offers for transatlantic fares are reasonable.

Look at some of the current fares offerd by British Airways:-

All prices are return and include all taxes and surcharges.

Flights from London Heathrow to:

+ New York (JFK and EWR) from GBP199
+ Philadelphia from GBP219
+ Washington Dulles from 219
+ Baltimore from GBP219
+ Boston from GBP219
+ Chicago from GBP269
+ Detroit from GBP269
+ San Francisco from GBP269
+ Los Angeles from GBP269
+ Miami from GBP269
+ Seattle from GBP279
+ Phoenix from GBP279
+ Houston from GBP281
+ Denver from GBP299

Flights from London Gatwick to:

+ Atlanta from GBP219
+ Tampa from GBP279
+ Dallas from GBP279
+ Orlando from GBP289



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User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Canada has a few Air Transat and Zoom and I think in the summer months HMY

User currently offlineThreeWests From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

I have heard Iceland Air referred to as the trans-Atlantic "low fare airline" - they have low fares and quick turns at their KEF hub - I think this qualifies.



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

Does anyone remember Sir Freddie Laker ? He's the one who started it all. Before I went to work for DL, I once flew Sir Freddie eiither EWR or JFK(I can't remeber)-LGW for 350.00 round trip. He even had OAK-LGW flights that competed with WO. A long time ago in the late '70's.  Smile Of course, then and now, there's Icelandair.  Smile


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

You're pointing out off-peak transatlantic fares. An average fare between North America and Europe is greater than $1000 during the summer...

Didn't ATA try seasonal transatlantic service at one point?


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4495 times:

What about flyZOOM.com. They actually market their product as a low cost transatlantic service. Mainly to Canada though.

User currently offlineRyanairA320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2003, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4445 times:



What about Aer Lingus?

Their fares can sometimes seem high when compared to low cost airlines like Ryanair, but they are extremely cheap when it comes to Transatlantic flights. I recently priced

Dub-Washington 220 euro which is £152 and $275 return

Dub-Los Angeles 285 euro which is £197 and $360 return

The above flights were priced on and include all taxes and charges. To me that's what I call a cheap Transatlantic flight.


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Crew stay over costs away from base do go against traditional low cost principles, which could be a major factor.

Also the shortest average flight time being about 7 hours doesn't fit perfectly well into the optimum sectors per 24 hours, the no of sectors would have to be optimised over a longer period.

The low cost business plan seems to fit short haul flights much better.


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

I think you have the right idea, GBOAC. Nobody wants to fly on such long voyages with minimal amounts of comfort. Of course, if I were able to catch a nice WN flight on over to Paris for $89, I would probably just deal with the fat lady beside me and the screaming babies echoing in a steel cabin.  Big thumbs up

Of course, CO is going to start a ERJ service for transatlantic flights. That might be a nice newcomer to the sea-sprinting crowd.

Cheers!

[Edited 2004-01-15 19:47:32]


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User currently offlineGBOAC From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Usnseallt82 - Nobody wants to fly. To be honest, I'm not saying nobody would do it - in fact, I think there probably are enough people who would suffer it (and complain, yet keep coming back) if it were available - a bargain is a bargain after all. But I'm not one of them. Even in Europe now I can nearly always find a very good fare on BA since they cut their shorthaul prices so don't have to use a LCC. BA just 'feels' better! Where there is a difference in price, I'm willing to pay £10s more for that. Scaled up to longhaul, a few £100s more.

In fact, I hope a transatlantic LCC never happens...lest it suddenly becomes company policy  Big grin

Phil


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