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Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

I was wondering, why does American Airlines fly SEA-BOS? This seems like an odd route when neither city is considered a hub. I know Alaska Airlines flies the same route but that I could see why, Seattle being it's hub. I remember Northwest Airlines used to also fly the route, why did they suspened the route? How well is American doing on the route with AS also flying two daily flights?

Farhan Ali
Seattle, USA

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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

Actually, AA does have a small hub operation at BOS. The main emphasis as BOS is AA Eagle flights to the Northeastern U.S. and mainline flights to Europe plus a handful of mainline routes to various major cities in the U.S. with an eye toward connections to/from their trans-Atlantic flights.

User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Ah, got you! I didn't know AA haD so many flights to Europe from Boston. Thanks for the information.

Farhan Ali
Seattle, USA

[Edited 2004-01-15 18:55:17]

User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

Feeding flights to AA Eagle at Boston is part of it, but that's not the whole answer.

Both Seattle and Boston are considered technology hubs, and AA plan was to provide flights to executives who might travel frequently back-and-forth.

AA also had a flight to Austin. It still has flights to RDU and San Jose. All technology hubs.




Boston, USA
User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

RDU flights are all on American Eagle now. DCA service went from F100 to ERJs quite some time ago as well.

Some AA mainline destinations from BOS include:

PAP
SDQ (sat with 777!)
SJU
AUA
MBJ
CUN
STT
PLS

MSY
SJC
SFO
SEA
LAX
SAN
LAS
ORD
DFW
STL
MIA
FLL
PBI
MCO
TPA

LHR
CDG
MAN

What am I missing?



User currently offlinePilot727aa From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

American offers 132 daily flights from Boston to destinations around the world.

From a news article on another topic about AAs new BOS-MAN service.
-Brady


User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Don't they also fly to JFK from BOS?

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Not only are both Boston and Seattle large technology centers, but also there is a large number of "expatriate" New Englanders in the Seattle area. That would be my guess.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

AA has always had a large operation in BOS, with an extensive network to California. AA doesn't have a single hub on the West Coast, but they still fly from BOS To SJC, SFO, LAX, and SAN.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

I'm with you, though, on the question of how does this route call for 3x daily flights (2x AS and 1x AA)..? AA has tried to keep up with DL at BOS because DL has, in the past, been a bigger player at Logan.

The route makes sense, though...both areas are tourist destinations, tech hubs, and people flying from Seattle to Europe can connect via a number of Oneworld carriers to Europe - BA (3x daily?), EI (daily w/ I believe 2x daily service at certain parts of the year), and Swiss. Granted, SEA has its own BA flights but sometimes for some reason you get cheaper fares routing through another airport. On the other hand, people from BOS can connect via SEA to Asia.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

AA simply offers the flight to supply the demand (O & D). I don't think the small amount of connections through BOS are a big reason for most of the mainline flying there. Any connections via BOS (with the exception of the BGR/PWM, etc. Eagle flights) would be considered "icing on the cake," so to speak. Or should it be "icing on the wing," no "deicing the wing" would be better...AAAHHH you know what I mean!!

User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

AA no longer flies mainline to JFK. And EI service is 3x daily some days.

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

This wouldn't happen to be a nighttime flight, would it? A lot of time, you will see redeye repositioning flights from the west coast to the east coast...


Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

nope, its not a red-eye. aa 230: 1:45pm - 9:51 pm 738.

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

Still, that's a "late flight". I would expect that it is not departing BOS until the next morning. The purpose may be to just set that 738 up for the next morning to go into a different hub.


Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

yeah, i'm sure that aircraft does go somewhere else the next am, especially since the bos-sea flight doesnt leave until 10:49 am, arriving at 1:24 pm. and that inbound into sea certainly doesn't come back to bos, given the mere 20 mins btwn arrival and departure times.

[Edited 2004-01-15 21:43:52]

User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

actually, that bos-sea flight is supposed to leave at 9:40 am and get into sea at 12:51 pm - still a quick turn-around for a 1:45 departure if they use the same aircraft for the return, but i suppose it could be done.

User currently offlineASBOIRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

This is also a local codeshare market for AS. We [AS] can actually sell the AA flights alone on our ticket stock. Of course, this also enhances connection opportunities at either end.

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Boston to Seattle serves two purposes:

Boston- Connections to East Coast, Caribbean, and Europe

Seattle- At one time connection to Tokyo. Now connection to code share partner Alaska Airlines.


American Airlines has the clientele... the flights will continue... be it a 737-800 or a 757-200!


LHR001


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3176 times:

BOS-SEA ... I think I smell B6's next new route  Smile


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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

BOS-SEA ... I think I smell B6's next new route

I would love to see it, but (with no basis) my hunch is against it. I just don't understand why B6 only has ONE flight a day from SEA. How do they really expect to build up a presence here when their only fight is to New York and leaves just after midnight. I mean, who in their right mind wants to fly that early/late?


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

AA also operates 4 flights a day to YYZ. ERJ135 I think is what they operate

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

"when their only fight is to New York and leaves just after midnight. I mean, who in their right mind wants to fly that early/late?"

Again, that's just what I was talking about earlier. It's a repositioning flight.

If you figure that flying starts about 6AM on the east coast, that's 3AM in the West. So, any transcon stuff from east to west can leave at 0600 and get to the west by mid-day local time. So, for the first few hours of the day, all traffic is moving west.

The other direction, from west to east, in order to get to the east coast by a reasonable time (e.g. 11 PM), you have leave in the early afternoon Pacific time. So, the last "reasonable" flight out from SEA, SFO, LAX, etc. heading to the east coast would be 3ish. After that, people are going to get in darn late.

With the flight you mentioned, it likely comes to SEA from somewhere else - either on the West Coast (e.g. LGB) or as a trans-con. To make up for that initial batch of aircraft moving west in the morning, they have to get the same number of planes back to the east coast... some of them happen to be overnight. That way, they are ready to start migrating west in the morning.



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

InnocuousFox -

What's exactly what I'm saying. If B6 gives SEA only 1 inbound and 1 outbound per-day (which is admittedly just a positioning flight), then how do they ever expect to get any market share at SEA? I mean, I fly in and out of SeaTac a lot (admittedly never around midnight with the exception of the days following 9/11 when I caught a DL flight to DFW at 1 am in trying to get to MCO). However, in all my times at SeaTac, I've never once seen B6 personnel at the ticket counter, and I have never in my entire life seen a B6 aircraft. So if they really want to do well in SEA, I'd recommend ramping up Ops there, or maybe they should cut their losses.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32794 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

This is AA's route map out of Boston:

*=Seasonal
#=American Eagle
%=American Connection
&#=Mainline and Eagle
&%=Connection and Eagle

Boston-Aruba*
Boston-Bangor#
Boston-Baltimore#
Boston-Cancun*
Boston-Columbus#
Boston-Dallas
Boston-Ft. Lauderdale
Boston-Islip#
Boston-JFK#
Boston-LaGuardia#
Boston-Las Vegas*
Boston-London Heathrow
Boston-Los Angeles
Boston-Manchester*
Boston-Miami
Boston-Montego Bay*
Boston-New Orleans*
Boston-Newark#
Boston-Norfolk#
Boston-O’Hare
Boston-Orlando
Boston-Paris*
Boston-Philadelphia#
Boston-Port-Au-Prince*
Boston-Providenciales*
Boston-Raleigh/Durham#
Boston-Richmond#
Boston-San Diego*
Boston-San Francisco
Boston-San Jose
Boston-San Juan
Boston-Santo Domingo
Boston-Seattle
Boston-St. Louis&%
Boston-St. Thomas*
Boston-Toronto#
Boston-Washington National
Boston-West Palm Beach*

As recent as 2002, American Eagle also served Nashville, Portland (Maine), and Quebec City.

This is not unusual for American Airlines, because they operate a very strong point-to-point network, the strongest of any of the Cartel carriers. These large point-to-point networks are concentrated out of Boston (2nd largest carrier), Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood (2nd), Los Angeles (2nd), New York City/JFK (2nd), New York City/LaGuardia (3rd?), Raleigh/Durham (1st), and San Jose, CA (1st). The majority (a good 75-80%) of the non-hub flights in AA's systems begin/terminate at those eight airports.



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25 Sebwhite : Flights to Washington National are also on Eagle.
26 Alexinwa : NW started the SEA-BOS N/S back in '95 or '96. It was so popular that NW had 2 daily N/S during the summer peak season. If any route was odd, this was
27 Aaway : BOS-SEA was one in a series of transcon routes AA started in the 1997 - 1999 period in order to beef up it's transcon services, and to augment newly
28 Pgh234 : MAH4546: AA Eagle also has BOS-PIT a while ago (2002 or early 2003?) pgh234
29 Sebwhite : A number of other Eagle or Business Express routes from BOS are gone including PQI, BTV, ALB, ROC, BUF, SYR, HPN, ACK, YUL, YOW, YHZ.
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