United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3836 times:
I was wondering, why does American Airlines fly SEA-BOS? This seems like an odd route when neither city is considered a hub. I know Alaska Airlines flies the same route but that I could see why, Seattle being it's hub. I remember Northwest Airlines used to also fly the route, why did they suspened the route? How well is American doing on the route with AS also flying two daily flights?
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3777 posts, RR: 30 Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
Actually, AA does have a small hub operation at BOS. The main emphasis as BOS is AA Eagle flights to the Northeastern U.S. and mainline flights to Europe plus a handful of mainline routes to various major cities in the U.S. with an eye toward connections to/from their trans-Atlantic flights.
Bartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
I'm with you, though, on the question of how does this route call for 3x daily flights (2x AS and 1x AA)..? AA has tried to keep up with DL at BOS because DL has, in the past, been a bigger player at Logan.
The route makes sense, though...both areas are tourist destinations, tech hubs, and people flying from Seattle to Europe can connect via a number of Oneworld carriers to Europe - BA (3x daily?), EI (daily w/ I believe 2x daily service at certain parts of the year), and Swiss. Granted, SEA has its own BA flights but sometimes for some reason you get cheaper fares routing through another airport. On the other hand, people from BOS can connect via SEA to Asia.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3395 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
AA simply offers the flight to supply the demand (O & D). I don't think the small amount of connections through BOS are a big reason for most of the mainline flying there. Any connections via BOS (with the exception of the BGR/PWM, etc. Eagle flights) would be considered "icing on the cake," so to speak. Or should it be "icing on the wing," no "deicing the wing" would be better...AAAHHH you know what I mean!!
Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3179 times:
yeah, i'm sure that aircraft does go somewhere else the next am, especially since the bos-sea flight doesnt leave until 10:49 am, arriving at 1:24 pm. and that inbound into sea certainly doesn't come back to bos, given the mere 20 mins btwn arrival and departure times.
Potomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
actually, that bos-sea flight is supposed to leave at 9:40 am and get into sea at 12:51 pm - still a quick turn-around for a 1:45 departure if they use the same aircraft for the return, but i suppose it could be done.
BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2727 times:
BOS-SEA ... I think I smell B6's next new route
I would love to see it, but (with no basis) my hunch is against it. I just don't understand why B6 only has ONE flight a day from SEA. How do they really expect to build up a presence here when their only fight is to New York and leaves just after midnight. I mean, who in their right mind wants to fly that early/late?
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2646 times:
"when their only fight is to New York and leaves just after midnight. I mean, who in their right mind wants to fly that early/late?"
Again, that's just what I was talking about earlier. It's a repositioning flight.
If you figure that flying starts about 6AM on the east coast, that's 3AM in the West. So, any transcon stuff from east to west can leave at 0600 and get to the west by mid-day local time. So, for the first few hours of the day, all traffic is moving west.
The other direction, from west to east, in order to get to the east coast by a reasonable time (e.g. 11 PM), you have leave in the early afternoon Pacific time. So, the last "reasonable" flight out from SEA, SFO, LAX, etc. heading to the east coast would be 3ish. After that, people are going to get in darn late.
With the flight you mentioned, it likely comes to SEA from somewhere else - either on the West Coast (e.g. LGB) or as a trans-con. To make up for that initial batch of aircraft moving west in the morning, they have to get the same number of planes back to the east coast... some of them happen to be overnight. That way, they are ready to start migrating west in the morning.
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BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2602 times:
What's exactly what I'm saying. If B6 gives SEA only 1 inbound and 1 outbound per-day (which is admittedly just a positioning flight), then how do they ever expect to get any market share at SEA? I mean, I fly in and out of SeaTac a lot (admittedly never around midnight with the exception of the days following 9/11 when I caught a DL flight to DFW at 1 am in trying to get to MCO). However, in all my times at SeaTac, I've never once seen B6 personnel at the ticket counter, and I have never in my entire life seen a B6 aircraft. So if they really want to do well in SEA, I'd recommend ramping up Ops there, or maybe they should cut their losses.
As recent as 2002, American Eagle also served Nashville, Portland (Maine), and Quebec City.
This is not unusual for American Airlines, because they operate a very strong point-to-point network, the strongest of any of the Cartel carriers. These large point-to-point networks are concentrated out of Boston (2nd largest carrier), Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood (2nd), Los Angeles (2nd), New York City/JFK (2nd), New York City/LaGuardia (3rd?), Raleigh/Durham (1st), and San Jose, CA (1st). The majority (a good 75-80%) of the non-hub flights in AA's systems begin/terminate at those eight airports.
25 Sebwhite: Flights to Washington National are also on Eagle.
26 Alexinwa: NW started the SEA-BOS N/S back in '95 or '96. It was so popular that NW had 2 daily N/S during the summer peak season. If any route was odd, this was
27 Aaway: BOS-SEA was one in a series of transcon routes AA started in the 1997 - 1999 period in order to beef up it's transcon services, and to augment newly
28 Pgh234: MAH4546: AA Eagle also has BOS-PIT a while ago (2002 or early 2003?) pgh234
29 Sebwhite: A number of other Eagle or Business Express routes from BOS are gone including PQI, BTV, ALB, ROC, BUF, SYR, HPN, ACK, YUL, YOW, YHZ.