Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1085 posts, RR: 4 Posted (9 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 5233 times:
We all know that the DC9's will probably be the longest serving aircraft EVER for a single airline. But what we may not know is what it will be replaced if, if replaced at all. AA is dismissing its F100, UA is dismissing its 762s. So what exactly will happen to the DC9's?
DC9 -31/2 will be replaced by A318s (NW could go domestic and regionally Airbus), Embraer 190s???, hopefully 717's.
DC9-50/1 will be replaced by A319s, A320s.(Not with Boeing a/c coz of NW's commitment to its present A319,A320 fleet)
These predictions are meant for this decade!! But we'll probably not be surprised to see DC-9's still in operation in 2010
Long Live the DC-9
NWA330Tony From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 5060 times:
I am sort of new on A.net, but I have the impression that this topic has been discussed at least 150 times already.
you catch on quick you beat me to it! my thoughts exact!! I love NW but comeon give the DC9s a break already. NWA has publically announced the DC9's expectance plenty of times, goto thier site read through the press releases. If you still have questions after the mass reading ask them via thier site might take a bit but rest assured they will answer, Ive asked plenty they always help! But please leave it off A.net we are all tired of this topic here!!!
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 5035 times:
**I am sort of new on A.net, but I have the impression that this topic has been discussed at least 150 times already.**
Yeah its been probably discussed 150 times just during the time you been here. This topic is discussed nearly daily. We could be on the subject on Northwest adding a new route or something and the DC-9 replacement question comes up.
Jblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 292 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 4979 times:
I was the previous green user to pose the question. I think asking it is an airliners.net rite of passage. The problem is that the question is like asking "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? The world may never know!"
Ual727222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 4974 times:
It will be another 10 years before NWA looks at retiring its 9s. It spent millions in the mid-90s to refurbish the fleet rather than buy new planes. I hope that NWA will not go even more Airbus with the A318. But, it all depends on when the airline begins a gradual retirement of the fleet, whether it wants to use a similar type (717), either 200 or a possible extended version, or if it intends to expand the A320. The A320 was a 727 replacement, I think, so the carrier will likely look to another smaller type to replace its 9s. It all depends on what is available in the future. Boeing may cut the 717, Airbus may cut the A318- if sales do not improve, so whatever is available will determine their replacement. In the meantime, enjoy flying on those old, yet sturdy vintage jets. Keep in mind that Northwest emphatically rejects such marketing cliches as "new car smell," "state of the art." They still fly 747-200s which date back to the early 70s and many are used, old DC-10-30s that it bought from Swissair when SA switched to the MD-11, etc. so do not expect NWA to break its neck rushing to buy new planes. They love to get every last bit of flight out of every plane, and they base their decision to buy/not buy on many factors, the least of which is age. I started flying in '67, and many of its 9s were cruising the skies back then. Their philosophy is unique, but also understand that NWA is not teeter-tottering on a mountain of debt, to the extent of other carriers. CO has a fleet of new, new planes, a key marketing strategy, but CO is highly indebted.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 4901 times:
Us oldtimers here know the topic has been beaten to death, but to the newest members here...it's still a fresh subject. IMO, the DC-9 will be replaced what NW already has...the Airbus 319/320. I can't see NW adding another airframe type to replace the -9. The airline industry as a whole is still struggling just to do business one more day. I can't understand why should any carrier be shopping for new airplanes if they can't pay for them. This includes Northwest. The DC-9 fleet is paid for, well maintained & still dependable. Just my two cents worth. Regards.
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
Jblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 292 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 4809 times:
Thank you Dtwclipper! For my 2 cents, I would love it if they would pick up the 717; it's such a sexy looking airplane. I know that is not the way to make a purchase decision, but it's reason enough for me. I flew on a Hawaiian 717 to Hilo and it was really comfortable. (Sorry to the flight attendant who had to clean my spilled coffee off the seat next to me)
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 29 Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 4612 times:
You know when you get an annoying song stuck in your head? Nevermind.
Seriously. . .the NWA DC-9 threads are common. . .but most of us always seem to read them every time they come up. I know I do! I read them because I know there will be some wise cracks, some other humor, and always some pride concerning these ole' gals. . .especially from the NWA fans and employees.
And to all the newer A.net users: don't worry. . .we all learn the funtions of the site over time. . .no big deal.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 4508 times:
What an original topic. If someone did a search on NW DC-9s I am POSITIVE they would not find a single thread saying anything about them. Can we space out these identical topics from 2-3 a week to maybe 1 a month?
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 4433 times:
Hey Nudelhirsch, you are correct! I mixed something up. Of course I wanted to ask about PTVs in LH's A346.
Hm, I think LH will finally install PTVs in their A346 by summer 2012. By that time Richard Branson will have taken majority of Lufthansa and therefore intends to start a service offensive. Right on time the planes will then arrive for their second D-check and get the new interior.
In the same turn LH's B747-400 will then be retired and passed onwards to NWA as a DC-9 replacement.
And now you want to know where I got the info from, right?
Ual727222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 4424 times:
Whether it is an old, worn out topic or not, NWA's DC-9s inspire passion for the readers and posters of this forum. You either like them or hate them, I guess, and I am sure for those of you who have flown on them, you have experienced the good and the bad. Personally, I think NWA's strategy is worth considering, and I say this as a UA pilot. Now, I have not examined NWA's financial statements, but I know from observation, that the carrier's retirements have been gradual, and that NWA was not in the same predicament of having to re-negotiate leases and terms on its aircraft or with the need of parking dozens of them in the deserts following 9/11. The DC-10-40 and 727 retirements were planned and initiated well in advance of 9/11 and were concluded almost a year after 9/11. NWA learned from its financial mishaps during the mid 90s and has been prudent and responsible in their fleet upgrades. As far as those DC-9s are concerned, NWA has never in my knowledge had a fatal incident with the aircraft, excepting NW 255 (might have been an MD-80) when the pilots forgot to configure the flaps, and it certainly has had no such issues since then. Those old birds are good for the skies, and speculations about replacements are moot until the airline decides to retire the bird- which won't be for another 10 years, I am sure.