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User currently offlineUNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5797 times:

I think that UA needs to develop its presence long haul/internationally if it wants to start making more $$$. What routes do you think they could/would fly?

My Thoughts:
Europe:
ORD-MAN
IAD-MAN
ORD-FCO
IAD-FCO
ORD-MUC
ORD-AMS(if not already)
ORD-MAD
IAD-MAD
ORD-ZRH
IAD-ZRH

South America:
ORD-SCL
IAD-SCL
LAX-GRU
ORD-GIG
ORD-LIM
ORD-SJO

Caribbean:
ORD-MBJ
IAD-MBJ-KIN
ORD-KIN



/// U N I T E D: It's Time to Fly.
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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12148 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5723 times:
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OK I'll throw out a thought! It seems right now that the LCC's that do not operate any, or if they do it is very limited International flying, are the ones making money? So maybe focus on domestic would be my choice.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5726 times:

IAD/ORD-EDI.

EDI is totally underserved in the transatlantic market. CO is the only operator to the US when it starts. UA would have no competition on the route.
And yes EDI WOULD be able to handle a 763!


User currently offlineUniTED From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5688 times:

I think it's Ironic that UA at one time DID fly IAD-FCO&MAD with a 747 and IAD-ZRH, and IAD-MAD, and IAD-GLA. These routes were, apparantly thrown out because they simply could not make enough money, even with almost full load factors, in the case of IAD-GLA. They said that they're sad they threw out the FCO and MAD routes, as they were helpful.

As for the carribean routes you mentioned, you will see Ted take over some carribean, Florida, and other leisure routes out of IAD, ORD, and DEN. There are tons of new Ted routes they've not announced out of IAD and ORD.

So, just wait and see!  Smile
Cheers, Chris



The opinions expressed here are mine and not necessarily those of Delta Air Lines.
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5657 times:

I'd like some ABI-CDG flights.  Big thumbs up

Cheers!



Crye me a river
User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5646 times:

I would like to see ORD-BOG or DEN-BOG!!

MIA has already too many flights a day from BOG

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineJFK747SP From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5646 times:

It would be great if they brought back their JFK-EZE route.


User currently offlineTupozure From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5610 times:

I miss UA to AKL. Not sure if it would be worth bringing it back though.

User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5566 times:

I think UA needs to be flying to where it can make money and commit to the pension benefits they granted their employees. Sorry to burst your bubble, but long haul fanciful intercontinental destinations are not what are going to save this airline.

You might as well start a topic that says, UA needs to buy US Airways, launch daily nonstop 747-400 service from all destination to all destinations and spend $9.6 billion dollars upgrading their business and first class products so that people might actually want to fly them, because people are sick and tired of plastic forks when you pay $6,000 to fly to London.

Then co-launched by President Moron, launch 5 times daily Shuttle Interballistic to the moon with continuing service to Mars (one way flights only).

Then new livery, new planes, new cabin crew, new meals, new CEO, new pilots, new headquarters, new pension plan, new re-organization plan, new hub structure, yet more flights to more fanciful destinations and then new double daily service to Pluto.

But wait, lets get rid of the 737-500's launch ever increasing destinations to South America thanks to the thoughtful and wonderful insight of LHR001. Then dump the 767's, buy all Airbus planes then re-brand yet again (just to keep you on your toes). Then change the name to Continental Airlines Wantabe (I don't think anyone will notice), change the livery once again, and announce the closure to the LA hub based on the advice of LHR001 as written on Airliners.net.

After all that you can stand at the end of the bow of the new Queen Mary II, (aka, UA Hail Mary) and scream in the middle of the North Atlantic I am "King of the World" while America West just did their inaugural fly over of their acquisition of the UA LHR slots, while your strike an iceberg once again and sink to your death.

Ahh I feel better now.



User currently offlineReguPilot From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2004, 495 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

I think they shold start doing something in SJU. American gets profit in here to almost every city they fly to, and it is just because there is no competition. Why would they have about 5 flights a day to DFW, 5 more to ORD, about 10 to JFK and some 8 to MIA, not to mention the ones to BOS, EWR, FLL, MCO, etc? They just have no competition from the other pals. USAirways is taking hands on the issue, they added flights to BOS and LGA, but just like TWA did it in their final days! So probably its USAirways final days too (hope not), and then we will be alone with AA again. So United should go ahead and try SJU from IAD and DEN, other than just ORD twice a day.

User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

Unfortunately, our 'long-haul fanciful intercontinental destinations' are just that, fanciful!  Big thumbs up

I'd like to think that no one would take my international flight request seriously. Apparently we are all offended at some point in time.

Cheers!



Crye me a river
User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Would love to see UA fly HKG-BKK with 744 again.  Smile

Also some European and South American routes such as MAD, MAN, ZRH, FCO, MXP, CPH, ARN etc.



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5419 times:

DEN-NRT.

What's the hold up UA? ANA or JAL will eventually do it. . .why don't you step up first? Do it with a 777 if necessary. Just do it. . . sorry Nike.



Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

I flew back in 1994 IAD-MAD and the flights were packed. Then they dropped the route, and JK codeshare it with them with a JK 767. After 9/11 JK dropped...flights between US & Spain are a missing in *A, maybe US will help a bit with PHL-MAD...

They should also think about Mexico. After they breakup with MX...they should consider more destinations in Mexico.



Come fly Mexicana, to Mexico!
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

ORD-MUC (which is also covered well by a daily LH A343) changed to IAD-MUC some time ago, mostly because of better East Coast conncetions so I guess we won´t see that flight anytime soon.
I would rather predict a DEN-MUC flight which could be operated by UA but more likely by LH.

Daniel


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

They should expand to Israel. Continental flies there from EWR. They already are a big presence in Asia, but I think they could be bigger. Also, no U.S. airline has a dominant presence in Africa. U.A. could fly to Cairo, much like TWA did with a 763 a few years ago. I think they should also restart ORD-ZRH, and compete with Continental, American, and Delta on the route. Don't know if it would really benefit that much, but certainly if I were in charge of an airline, I would make sure I serve all of the cities as my rivals. I'm not sure if the question lies on whether UA should serve more cities. They already serve many more cities than their rivals. I think AA is the one that really needs to the expanding. Heard they are adding ORD-HKG. AA needs to establish a dominating presence in Asia like United, and establish services to Thailand and Korea, besides China and Japan. They should also add services to Australia to further increase competition with United. Continental, United, and Northwest probably are choices people would pick over American to go to Asia. Currently, the only airport in Asia American serves is Tokyo-Narita in Japan.


Fly one thing; Fly it well
User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

keep the intl routes in place, concentrate on asia, aa is and maybe some others will wanna start knocking on asia big time as they have no other place to go but the middle east to expand, all the pa routes that we have in asia if we have not lost them should be used, we all know yield is everything on routes but ua needs to keep the svc levels up in order to keep the big $$$ in f/c from going to someone else..my 2 centavos


bus driver.......move that bus:)
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

From:


Chicago/O Hare
_____________

Helsinki using a 767-300 to connect to SAS codeshare
Honolulu using a 767-300 to connect with Aloha codeshare
Kahalui using a 767-300 to connect with Aloha codeshare
Kona using a 767-300 to connect with Aloha codeshare
Seoul using a 777-200 to connect with Asiana codeshare
Shanghai using a 777-200 to connect with Air China codeshare


Denver
______

Copenhagen using a 767-300 to connect to SAS codeshare
Kahalui using a 767-300 to connect with Aloha codeshare
Kona using a 767-300 to connect with Aloha codeshare
London/Heathrow using a 777-200 to connect with BMI codeshare
Munich using a 777-200 to connect with Lufthansa codeshare
Mexico City using a A320
Osaka using a 777-200 to connect with ANA codeshare
Seoul using a 777-200 to connect with Asiana codeshare
Tokyo/Narita using a 777-200 to connect with ANA codeshare


San Francisco
___________

Amsterdam using a 777-200
Buenos Aires using a 777-200 via Sao Paulo
Copenhagen using a 767-300 to connect with SAS codeshare
Manila using a 747-400
Melbourne using a 747-400 to connect with Virgin Blue code share
Vienna using a 777-200 to connect with Austrian Airlines code share
Sao Paulo using a 777-200 to connect with Varig code share


Tokyo/Narita
___________

Cebu using a 757-200
Guam using a 757-200
Hanoi using a 777-200
Jakarta using a 777-200
Kuala Lumpur using a 777-200
Macau using a 757-200
Manila using a 747-400
Phuket using a 777-200
Saipan using a 757-200



Washington/IAD
_____________
Berlin using a 767-300 to connect with Lufthansa codeshare
Bogota using a 757-200
Honolulu on 777-200 to connect with Aloha codeshare
Lima using a 757-200
Quito using a 757-200 via Bogota
Rome using a 777-200
Santiago using a 757-200 via Lima
Seoul to connect with Asiana codeshare
Shanghai to connect with Air China codeshare
Stockholm using a 767-300 to connect with SAS codeshare


LHR001


User currently offlineFlygirlhels From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Upon what traffic and demand number calculations do you base your childish theories, lhr001?

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

In regards to your qualifications... Thank you for stating that you went to school in London.... I do respect that! And you were hired prior to 9-11... I respect that as well... As stated... Thank You.... A lot of post 9-11 Flight Attendants don't seem to grasp what being a Flight Attendant really is...

I am a very fond flyer of both United and American... I do not like airlines like WN, B6, or TZ... They are nice for certain people... however, we all have choices...



LHR001

[Edited 2004-01-16 20:44:14]

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

LHR001, I think you just might be going over the line (concerning Flygirlhels) here a bit... having an opinion is one thing, but your comments...

Anyhow, moving back to the topic and to your suggestion of this new route for UA...

Washington/IAD
_____________
Berlin using a 767-300 to connect with Lufthansa codeshare


Why should this work for UA, if LH has tried it (and failed)? And since LH doesn't really operate a hub in Berlin, it really wouldn't make much sense: seeing that they're even kicking DUS from the network, and they aren't serving HAM, I doubt TXL would be a good move for them.

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineFlygirlhels From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

My qualifications.... Let's just say a whole World more than yours!

Oh... because you were a flight attendant sometime in the past?


I was hired prior to 9/11....
And as to my background, a degree in economics from a good school in London....


And I believe that asking what your basis is for your theories is a perfectly legitimate question.... unless your methods aren't legitimate which is probably the case as you hide behind poor attempts at insults....

[Edited 2004-01-16 20:41:35]

User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Some of these posts make me long for the days of Wishihadalife.

Dave in Orlando



Too many types flown to list
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2367 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Chicago/O Hare
_____________

Honolulu using a 767-300 to connect with Aloha codeshare
Kahalui using a 767-300 to connect with Aloha codeshare
Kona using a 767-300 to connect with Aloha codeshare


For starters, It is Kahului, not Kahalui. Also, there is no need to connect to AQ codeshare in Kona and Kahului because the only place to go from these places is Honolulu, which is already well served by United. The AQ codeshares are to connect to/from UA flights thru HNL to OGG/KOA/LIH/ITO, not the other way around.

OGG and KOA are already well served by HA, AQ, UA, AA and others to various mainland cities and I doubt UA would add flights from all of their hubs to these cities.

Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Helsinki using a 767-300 to connect to SAS codeshare

Star Alliance as a whole operates 20 daily flights out of HEL. SAS only flies to two cities from HEL: CPH and ARN. There is no SAS feed in HEL.

DEN-LHR is illegal, as of Bermuda II.


670


25 Airbazar : To this day I still don't understand why they dropped BOS-LHR. If they can't make money on that route, they should just close shop and send everybody
26 Bobnwa : Lhr001, Again I ask what airline were you a flight attendant for and what years did it include. I am intrigued as to what airline flew to all the plac
27 AlitaliaORD : From ORD UAL really needs to start ATH. Chicago has a big Greek population and in addition, the Greek tourist market seems strong for Americans and la
28 FA4UA : when dreaming of new international routes for UA we must think of two important factors: 1. Cargo and 2. further connectivity/ passenger feed. This is
29 UNITED777300 : Which is exaclty why routes to AKL, CPH, ARN, MAD, VIE, WAW, etc. would/should work for UA, considering to amount of feed that could be produced.
30 UniTED : Wasn't there a rumour that we would inagurate new international routes this summer? Anyway, we will be flying out of IAD to Cancun (once a week-320),
31 FA4UA : I keep hearing rumors within UA that the kick-off of TED will be the announcement day for route expansion for mainline too. Looking forward to Febraur
32 Ual777contrail : If I had it my way, UNITED wouldn't start any new mainline flights, they would continue to put a strangle hold on these greyhound carriers once and fo
33 Lhr001 : BobNWA, All I can say is that it was based in the Persian Gulf... and we operated the A330 among other aircraft types. We have a codeshare with a U.S.
34 Yegbey01 : I would like to see SFO-YEG. It's kind of stupi to have people fly from YEG to DEN to make connections to California
35 XJRamper : DEN-TOL TOL-DEN TOL-LAX LAX-TOL I would offer the ORD connection...but ATA conex and AEagle have Chi town covered. XJR
36 AlitaliaORD : Lhr001, you made my day. oh man. Do you know if Kuwait will keep their AMS route?
37 MAH4546 : Lhr001, you made my day. oh man. Do you know if Kuwait will keep their AMS route? The plan was to drop all AMS service, and switch to KWI-ATH-ORD. How
38 AlitaliaORD : MAH4546, are you saying the plan for ATH is dropped or just the plan to dump AMS?
39 Lhr001 : MAH4546, What is your source for the Chicago to Athens route being cancelled? LHR001
40 Flygirlhels : What is your source for the Chicago to Athens route being cancelled? What is your source for any of your information, lhr?
41 MAH4546 : are you saying the plan for ATH is dropped or just the plan to dump AMS? Both. Flights will continue as is, 2x a week ORD-AMS-KWI. No KWI-ATH-ORD serv
42 Lhr001 : MAH4546, Where is it stated that KU is going to not offer the service? Flygirlhels, Don't you have food, aluminum cans, or a baby diaper to throw in y
43 Uadc8contrail : fa4ua, hkg a sore spot for ua??????next time you do 895/805 ask the gate agt at dept time for a connection list......most pax on those 2 flts are goin
44 Lhr001 : Hong Kong traffic is almost all specific to Hong Kong... Are you aware of the Chinese ex-pat communities in San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York...
45 Flygirlhels : Don't you have food, aluminum cans, or a baby diaper to throw in your Flight Attendant trash cart? You are so very mature...aren't you... Why can you
46 Venezuela747 : Only one place CCS either from ORD, IAD, DEN or SFO
47 AlitaliaORD : just before we go back to UAL (my favorite airline) is Kuwait leaving Chicago?
48 JJeff : I'd like to see the return of SEA-HKG but acknowledge that it's unlikely.
49 Klyk1980 : I think UA should consider to restart the round-the-world trip. Before UA with a trip from LHR-JFK-LAX-HKG-BKK or Delhi-LHR which is a great way from
50 UNITED777300 : LHR001, How can UA offer Spanair codeshares to Spain, if Spainair no longer uses their own metal across the pond? If anyone, UA would use US.
51 Lfutia : How was doing w/ their Delhi svc's and the bookings on the ORD-DEL route but that got scrapped before svc.... what a shame. prolly would of flown it i
52 Chepos : Regupilot- Actually United flew from San Juan to Miami some time ago- they had a daily flight with a 737-300 but that has long since been cancelled. U
53 Uadc8contrail : xjramper, i remember when ua did den tol on the 727-100 usually did a stop in cid/mli or pia before going on...also have flown ua when we did den-cid-
54 OH-LGA : Ah yes... but one must not forget the presence of Blue1 (formerly known as Air Botnia) in Helsinki and other Finnish destinations, and their European
55 AirbusfanYYZ : ORD-DEL ORD-DXB ORD-BOM Cheers, Kaz
56 Yanksn4 : DEN-NRT DEN-HKG DEN-CDG
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