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Can MWA Support American Eagle To ORD?  
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Hey folks-

before I start..I KNOW!! I am gonan get bashed for this but I am just curious and would like to see opinion and EXPLAIN why you think what you posted ok!!


Now...My question is...

Can MWA(Marion-Williamson County Regional Airport, Marion, Illinois) support a once daily flight to ORD? Now here are my reasons for why I THINK we can handle it.

-close location to a major college city(carbondale).
-Large percentage of student body is from the ORD area.
-Can either HELP support MWA-STL flown by American Connection OR REPLACE MWA-STL because I have heard MWA-STL is doing POORLY and AA is breaking even on the routes ONLY because it is a government thingie whatever you call it.

I am thinking we could have a flight that leaves around 8-9AM to make connections in ORD and for the home bound college students from the ORD area to get there. and have a flight that arrives into MWA from ORD at around 7-8 at NIGHT. Naturally we would have it seasonal.....starting AUG15 and ends May 15. Because I KNOW we cannot surport it over the summer. All right folks, I am done....lets hear it!

Alex.


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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

You point out MWA-STL is doing poorly, and that it is taking government subsidies to keep it online. Several cities do that to maintain air service to hubs such as this instance or those little northeastern cities that get US express service to PIT, so it really is no shock.
Now as for new service, if you were going to hope for anything, maybe a NW MEM SF service would be more reasonable. It would provide easy connections for people going to the Southeast instead of going slightly out of their way to STL or ORD. I would have to think ORD would just be repetitive of what STL serves for MWA, unless there is 50 pax a day who go to europe from that area Yeah sure.


User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Well, to save on overnight hotel costs, they should have a flight arr MWA @ 8:30am, dep at 9:00a, and have a PM flight arr 3:30p dep 4:00p. I doubt a crew arr at 7:00p would like to dep at 9:00a next am.
As for seasonal, I personally would never operate a flight seasonally that does not involve sun or ski destinations. You may overlook the 5 people that want to visit folks in MWA region in July.
Perhaps run it as a triangle route ORD-MWA-SPI-ORD. Maybe get the 2 people per month going to Springfield.
I think ORD would make a lot more sense than STL for any AA operation. Larger hub/city, same state,a lot more connections. Just makes more sense.
So what will probably happen is a discontinuation of all service.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Lambertman- I can handly name more then 50 people in MY HIGH SCHOOL ALONE not to mention scores of SIU students I work with and talk to that mention either one of the following...1 They are going to europe. 2.I wish they had service to ORD. So if they would listen to the people here there are ALOT of people who go to europe in this area. A NW MWA-MEM on mesaba or whoever serves it would be a shockj to me because they already have a STL-MEM only 2 hours away I would assume they would have to discontinue STL-MEM because then they would lose the service for STL-MEM right? I don't know how that all works but I would think they would have to choose between MWA/STL-MEM right?

sprxflySWA-I agree with alot fo what you said. It would make more sense for them to have those 2 daily return and departure flights. ORD definetly makes more sense then STL. I would fly the MWA-ORD route if they had it saves time for driivng to STL and its a more direct rouet out of ORD, we have more N/S out fo ORD then we do out of STL, besides if MLI(I THINK) and BMI can support a N/S to ORD bu AA and UAL and even MLI gets MLI-ATL on FL correct? Surely MWA can support a one flight to ORD right??

Alex.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

As a former SIUC student I would love to see an ORD-MWA route. However I don't think the traffic is there. Even if it were seasonal loads would be light. The only time you would have heavy traffic is during breaks. Not enough revenue generation the rest of the time to have the route.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

which brings another question...if MWA-ORD cannot be surporrted by AA what about United Express?? or even ATA by the express line? Maybe another airline would jump for that instead of AA but I mentioned AA cuase its the only airline to serve it

Alex.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Atrude, regardless of how many kids you think may be going to europe it still isn't enough to justify an ORD route. It could be a possibility if the STL service is cancelled, but I still highly doubt it. Look at my school IU-Bloomington, 40k kids, and we have little or no air service, I can't remember, if I'm correct SIUC is like mm...20k kids which is small in comparison, so that doesn't justify any service. Bloomington is even bigger than Carbondale to boot.

Regarding MWA-MEM, I'm not sure exactly what you are claiming. Are you saying that MWA would cannibalize STL's MEM loads? In the grand idea of things concerning loads it wouldn't mean diddly poo, MWA pax count for very little STL pax. I was suggesting a southeastern connection to satisfy pax who didn't care to go out of their way. Big thumbs up


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Lambertman- once again you make a good statement. and over the summer..Carbondale is VERY small as opposed to when school is in session. But could we say Marion, Carbondale, Herrin, and Murphysboro a combined city to add the population???? ok I guess not then. But what I was saying about STL-MEM and MWA-MEM, are you saying NWA could support both? I wouldn't say cannonbalize but make the load for STL-MEM weaker?? but since u said it doesn't effect then I guess it wont......


Alex.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

You mention those cities and those can be referred to as a micropolitan/metropolitan area depending on the way you look at things, during school its metro, other wise micro (city w/ less than 50k w/ adjacent territory). So yes, I guess you could say that combines to form one of those areas.

NW could probably support both, (certainly STL and I don't know about MWA) and honestly when I come to think of that that was a spur of the moment idea that I had that I like more and more when I think about it. Of course this is wishful thinking, and this was just saying if they would get any new service at all where would it be and MEM makes the most sense. Shoot, they can make Champaign work to DTW on a SF3, I bet they could make a single daily work to MEM from MWA with a little bait. Big thumbs up


User currently offlineJetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

unfortunately the major airlines do not like college kids...nothing personal, but college kids traditionally buy tickets well in advance for the lowest possible price. What the airlines want is the business travelers, who walk up to the ticket counter and spends a rediculous amount of money on a flight. Airlines do not make money from vacationers and college students.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Lambertman- I like the way you think. Yes I was thinking we could combine the cities around Carbondale..(or rather Marion..since thats the airport the city is in..) and make it into a Metropolis area. How far Northwest do we go before the city is considered part of STL? Would fares be cheaper or more expensive out of MWA as opposed to STL? When I flew MWA-STL about 70% of the plane was college students or High School(myself included being a high schooler in the carbondale area) and I saw 4 Business people and 3 or 4 vacationers. So it was a nice mix but the majority was High School and College. What bait are you reffering to with the NWA MWA-MEM?


jetskipper- if the airlines lost the vacationers and students they would do everythign they can to earn them back its not JUST the business people yes they play a part of it but the vacationers and students are also relied on by the airlines too.

Alex.



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