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Lots Of United At MSP This Morning  
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6984 times:
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UA really brought some planes in this morning. We had 3 737s and 1 A319 on the ground at the same time. Is this usual for a Sunday morning? (Can tell I usually do night shifts)  Sleepy


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User currently offlineUNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6870 times:

I checked the Star Alliance timetable and UA has UA1078 to DEN @ 9:08am and UA1230 to ORD @ 9:00am and UA496 to ORD @ 10:00am. Hope this helps!


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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5499 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Yes it is usual. I've been seeing a lot of United at MSP recently. I've also been seeing a TON of Continental, they are always now at the C gates, because their F gates are always full!


co


User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6744 times:

Saw similar situation way back in Feb of last year...

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

actually the only reason you may see some of our planes at the C concouse is b/c they sit overnight or if they are on a mechanical. we park them over there b/c we dont have enough ramp space on the E concourse. Also you usually can spot some of our 737's parked at the Exec pad on the other side of 12L.


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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5499 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

Yeah I meant to say E concourse. That's odd, because almost all the time I see a CO 737 and an ERJX over at the C gates, and they come in with passengers, and then leave with more....

co


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6198 times:
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The C-gates seem to be a popular spot for RON aircraft. Last night, There was a UA 737, DL MD80 and a CO 737 all put to rest at various C-gates


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

thats b/c NW refuses to open up gates for other airlines, even though they really dont need them, in fact we are losing a gate b/c UAL is taking it over b/c MAC is doing work on one of their gates, look at DL here in MSP they run like 20 flightsout of two gates,


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User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

When I worked in MSP it was like pulling teeth to find a gate from NW.
MAC doesn't seem to help either. I remeber a few summers ago we had 6 overnighters (Sat) and only 2 gates as well. Can't blame it all on NW. I think CO could have figured that one out. 2 gates 6 a/c?



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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 5981 times:

The tone of this thread is rather interesting; it gives the impression that UA, CO and other airlines are/are interested in pumping up their schedules at MSP but are limited in options b/c NW refuses to give up gates. This is absolutely not true.

On peak days, CO operates:
(4) flights to CLE - all ERJ
(6) flights to EWR - includes 4 ERJ
(5) flights to IAH

This is an AVERAGE CO operation, and a DECREASE in mainline flying vs. previous years. CO is NOT expanding at MSP.

UA operates:
(14) flights to ORD
(4) flights to DEN

This is a DECREASE in flying vs. previous years. I question if somebody could've saw "like 7 UA flights" on the ground at once. UA doesn't even serve IAD from MSP!

- - -

As for 'lots of aircraft RON,' this is true of most airports. For example, at DTW, CO has as many as five-six aircraft RON. They have three gates (and a regional gate that's rarely used) -- at least one of those gates sit UNUSED most of the day.

- - -

Let's put these misconceptions to rest.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24634 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 5921 times:
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IndustrialPate:

UAL is about to start MSP/IAD:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040115/cgth067_1.html

Perhaps because of NWAC moving into LAX/DEN?

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineWingnutMN From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

Is UAL trying to get another gate in MSP for the IAD run, or are they just going to work it into their 3 gates they already have? Also, with the new partnership with Delta and the current partnership with CO, could that be why they allow Delta and CO to park and deplane on the C concourse? The last few times I've flown in/out of MSP, I've CO and Delta planes on the C concourse. I really never saw them do that as of a couple years ago.
WingnutMN



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User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

With all due respect Industrialpate, I think what everyone was trying to say (at least some of the threads) is that it is very difficult in MSP to find gate space. Whether it's for future expansion or just to find something to stick an overnight a/c. NW can be pretty stubborn in "renting" out a gate for a few hours or overnight.
I do agree with you on the downsizing of smaller a/c in that market, especially CO. Which in turn can make things a little easier. You might not realize that CO also has the F9 contract as well. That ads, last time I looked 3 flights per day and another RON. We of course are responsible for finding gate space for them as well. All I meant is UA,DL and CO would love to have just one more gate. So as I said earlier NW is reluctant to give up any space whether that gate is being used or not. Thanks.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 5648 times:

very well put, atleast someone realizes what I am saying. How are we suppose to run 22 flights a day out of 2 gates? During the summer we are upping an RJ flt to a 733 to EWR, including adding another one, totalling 7 to EWR. Also adding the additional flight to IAH as well. We are also picking up 3 more F9 flights, including another RON. F9 is trying to get their own gate, but that would require NW to give one up, and of course they wouldn't jump to that since F9 is announcing service to LAX, all I'm saying is that if NW would better control their gate usage it would be feasable. When strolling through the concourses you can often see on the board at a gate, information for the next flight and its 5 hours from now. Something could be done to better use the gate flow than the way they do now.
and yes, we do store some planes on the c-concourse overnight, very rarely will you deplane over there, we do deplane some overnights on the f-concourse, depending on the routing of the aircrafts that we have



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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

I think what everyone was trying to say (at least some of the threads) is that it is very difficult in MSP to find gate space.

It's difficult at virtually any major airport to find additional gate space. And aircraft RON is irreverent -- it's cheaper to rent remote parking space than it is to lease additional gates that you don't need (for the purpose other than to park an aircraft at it). For example, at DTW HP operates a total of five daily departures but overnights three aircraft (and it's been that way for a few years). After CO eliminated its agreement with HP, the latter sought to lease a single gate. (However, the opening of the new terminal and CO's move to it meant there was quite a bit of excess gates at DTW... thus HP inherited CO's three gates for cheap, but that's irreverent to my point -- they only wanted one, even though three aircraft RON). CO, any many other airlines, overnights more aircraft than it has gates at many airports throughout its system.

To answer the original poster, it's not hard to have four aircraft on the ground at the same time for an airline that serves only two destinations from MSP -- not only RON, but it's possible for some aircraft to depart a few minutes early and others to arrive a few minutes early so that you have two departures on the ground and two arrivals on the ground at the same time.

And to answer another poster, UA's operation at MSP is very doable with three gates, even with the three extra IAD flights.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

yah but you have to realize they also wrk 3 AC flts


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

yah but you have to realize they also wrk 3 AC flts

It doesn't matter -- it's still doable with three gates. The ORD service is hourly and can be operated with a single gate. That gives them two gates for ten flights -- five flights/day is more-than-doable...


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

obviously you dont work on the ramp or the gate, you dont realize other things that come up, such as a mechanical or a slight delay, with that many flights 4 gates is necessary to have easy access for all planes, maybe if you would actually come out and see many UA aircraft or DL aircraft sitting on the tarmac waiting for a gate to open up you would realize that more gate space is necessary.


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

CALMSP,
At DTW, both UA and DL have aircraft sitting on the tarmac waiting for a gate to open up -- more gate space is available, but neither airline is interested. Why? Because it's cheaper to have aircraft sit & wait (or overnight in a remote parking space) than it is to lease additional gates that you really don't need.

As for UA, the IAD/YYZ flights are timed so that they can operate from a single gate, giving UA two gates for 18 flights -- 14 of which operate hourly. That's plenty of gate space... there will be an empty gate several times throughout the day. And if something goes wrong, there is no shortage of hard stands and buses...

Airlines don't lease gates they don't need.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

now where are they going to hard stand planes in MSP, there is no where, and they dont have buses to bus people to the terminals. no one wants to have a plane sit out there, its not a good business strategy to always day inand day out sit on the tarmac, in MSP, if they sit out there to long there are going to be many misconnects on NW. We operate three gates out of here, but we dont lease the third one, we rent it three times a day from NW, but we certainly need that and are trying to pick up another, b/c its getting to the point where we cant operate all these flights out of two gates.


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User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

CalMsp...
You might be wondering why I'm responding to this thread. I used to work in MSP. Transfered to IAH awhile back just wondering who you are. I think I have an idea but not sure. You can contact me if you like...I'd rather not post names here. Talk to you later.
I guess that's why I totally understand where you are coming from. It's always been a problem up there getting gate space.



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1395 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

So when do you think anyone will start using the gates over at the Humphrey Terminal? Plenty of room over there......  Big grin


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User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Your right Mikey711MN but I think the only question is how to get connecting pax over to the main terminal or vica versa?


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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1395 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

The train.

To my understanding, connecting between the two terminals will be allowed for free when the tunnel is completed and service begins at the end of the year.

Humphrey Station:



Lindbergh Station:



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24634 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 5031 times:
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I don't know MSP.

How far is the Humphrey Terminal from the Lindbergh?

cheers

mariner



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25 Post contains links Mikey711MN : I don't remember the exact number. See the diagram.
26 CALMSP : its a long ways by car, plus you will have to go back through security, which is a pain in the a&&. If people were to go over there, then hwere do you
27 COIAH99 : I would guess roughly 1 mile give or take. I also didn't realize they were building a train to connect the two terminals. That might help out if those
28 Mikey711MN : It's actually part of the new Twin Cities' light-rail system, which the MAC (airport commission) is spending huge money on (more than the state itself
29 Post contains images TWFirst : >>And aircraft RON is irreverent -- it's cheaper to rent remote parking space than it is to lease additional gates that you don't need (for the purpos
30 CALMSP : I guess they dont in Mo-town schools.
31 Post contains images KaiGywer : There already is a free shuttle bus between Lindbergh and Humphrey, but like other said, it's about a five-six minute bus ride, and you have to go bac
32 Mikey711MN : Understood about the distance to/from the terminals, but that just means that Northwest nor their alliance partners would be terribly interested in mo
33 IndustrialPate : CALMSP, You don't seem to get it. CO/UA may operate a tight operation with little room at MSP, but it's certainly feasible (and both airlines have han
34 Continental : NWA is such a b**** at MSP. I've always seen UA and DL sitting there for many minutes waiting for another aircraft to leave so they can get a parking
35 IndustrialPate : Again, I repeat myself... Continental, How is this NW's fault? UA, DL, HP, etc. do not anticipate these ground hold times in their scheduling -- they'
36 Mikey711MN : From the sounds of things, NW is merely making an issue with gate utilization than anything else...if the others can't make in-roads enough to better
37 Continental : Never really said it was NWAs fault.... They left no options for the other airlines to chose another gate, and if they had another gate, then they'd h
38 TWFirst : I.P.: A typo is when one transposes letters or leaves one out. Some might interpret the completely incorrect usage and understanding of a common adjec
39 IndustrialPate : Continental, Somebody's thinking in la-la land... Let's be realistic. First off, HP shares two gates with NW and it appears as though - at least statu
40 ORDnDFW777 : Hate to say this, but given the winter weather in MSP, maybe people want to get the h--- out of there!
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