Bravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3755 times:
A sad day for Air India........
Don't know what made you think that but I do agree to the last part of your post. I do hope that they get a life soon. If this is it then this is the worst scheme that PIA has ever had. It has always matched the changing world and its colors, seems to be a different story this time.
SM777 From India, joined Nov 2003, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3708 times:
You are probably un-familiar with the civil aviation scene in South Asia.
Air India is owned & run by the Govt of India, just like PIA is owned & run by the govt of Pakistan
Air India has been wanting to buy new aircraft to replace old (make that ancient) 747-200s and (not so old) A310s. The issue has been going back and forth between various committees in the Indian Ministry of Civil Aviation. Recently a committee seems to have finally decided on the A340-300 (surprising choice anyway) but Boeing has not taken it lying down and is petitioning AI and the Govt to overturn the order in favor of the 777 (which I personally prefer.....)
The "sad day" is because PIA, the airline of India's traditional rival country Pakistan, has begun to modernize its fleet while Air India is still to place an order for new aircraft which it needed 3-4 years ago !!!
A330Fan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 856 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3626 times:
I do agree that PIA is competing competitively with the new aircraft, but I do personally think that A340 would look great with Air India colors than the 777! I think it would make the scheme more dynamic and have a more gracious look...but that's just me, I just like A330s/ A340s hehe...anyways, I do agree with that statement that the livery is quite dull...to be true it is, I actually prefer the older one than the new. The older one had a more ethnic and authentic feel, this one tries too much to match modern-liveries on airlines. I feel the same with British Airways new/old colors.
SM777 From India, joined Nov 2003, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
PIA's new livery looks like an interim one, one which can be 'worked on' to improve it. Too plane jane to grace a brand new a/c like the 772.....what a complete waste !!
Air India's livery has been around since the mid 70's (or earlier). There was a brief 'flirtation' with the 'sun' c/s designed by Landor associates, some planes were repainted but they switched back to the old c/s after some time (wonder why and who decided.....probably some minister )
Indian Airlines too needs a drastic change in livery.....so old dull and boring
The best looking (international) airline livery of South Asia is SriLankan, followed by Biman Bangladesh.....
SM777 From India, joined Nov 2003, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
BG is not so bad.......(the side with the English titles looks nicer) esp the 310 and the DC10 look pretty nice. Too busy for a 737 or F28.......
Yup PK's c/s on the 743s is good too.
9W's c/s is nice but they don't fly International yet......
........anyway you're absolutely entitled to your opinion on likes and dislikes, but we do agree on UL .....
AI's is a true classic (or classy as you say) in every sense. Classic since it's as old as AI's oldest 747-200, Classic since it looks like nothing else on aircraft today, Classic since it has only one color (red)......but it's time to change. Most world class airlines go in for makeovers of livery, logo, look and feel, uniforms, seating, etc etc every few years......it refreshes the experience, changes the outlook, repositions the airline (if intended to do so) and also, probably, highly motivates the staff. Air India needs all of this and more to lift its sagging image (and fortunes).......so does IC.
I've said this many times on this forum and will say it again - running airlines is no Government's business. And the faster Mr Rajiv Pratap Rudy and his team get AI and IC on the block, the better it will be for all concerned - AI/IC customers, the image of the airlines, the image of India ("India Shining").....except probably [some of the] staff who are used to less work more pay and special favours.....
Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1081 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2995 times:
I know some may disagree but everyday that AI suspends their order, P.A.I is just taking little chunks of its passenger numbers. I Hope I can fly on the new bird. Unimaginative but classy c/s though. ChOmp ChoMp ChomP.
Bigmo747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
We all forget that Air-India has a fleet of B744's that were purchased brand new from Boeing and are only about 10 years old. Air India has been operating these birds pretty smoothly, while PIA at the same time were operating the -200 version. PIA passengers have been tormented on the -200 series and are still being tormented on AP-BAK and AP-BAT, -200 combis which normally operate from JFK and LHR to KHI. The only decent aircraft PK operate (and i'm stretching the definition of decent) are the ex-cathay 743's.
I dont think it's a sad day for India by anymeans, they have been picking up used 744's from Korea, expanding internationally (ie Newark, NJ) and have really cleaned up their image. I've seen their new tv ad's and they are really striving to make a difference. PK on the other hand have no clue how to market the fact that they have purchased 777's and half the people i know don't even have half a clue that PK operates into CHI.
Purchasing new planes--makes it a great day for Pakistan, but if they can't
change their overall image by improving their inflight product as well as their ground services--then in my opinion there's nothing great.
SM777 From India, joined Nov 2003, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
Bigmo747 and Indianguy :
The core issue is the fact that PIA has got some brand new state of the art planes while Air India's order hasn't even happened. PIA's A300 fleet is as old as IC's and their 742s are still lumbering along. An 'intermediate relief' was provided with the leasing of 743s from CX......however they have at least made a beginning with the 777s.....
PIA's brand new 777 fleet is a brand new 777 fleet - they are not hand me downs ....maybe a lollipop for good behaviour, but they are new planes.
AI's 744 fleet is doing well for them. Its the expansion of the fleet and replacement of the 742s, 743s and A310s which is the issue.
Bravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2195 times:
I would appreciate if someone can help me with this:
I am sad, hanging down with the tips of my nails, this is the exact livery that I saw along with a very bad news about PIA some months ago. It was about the PIA fleet to have been pledged to the US in the deal that included the 777s. It also stated that it means that PIA could no longer claim to be the national flag carrier because its planes were now registered abroad, however the ministry of defence forced the CAA to reregister the aircrafts in Pakistan as well which means that they now have 2 registration numbers.
If this is the case that means an end to all of my hopes of PIA standing up again back in the top of the world's top airlines. Not to forget that it was PIA to have created Emirates from scratch.