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Chicago Weak In International Flights  
User currently offlineORDnDFW777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Chicago is the 3rd largest city in the US (metro population of 9 million), is a hub airport for the two largest global alliances (Star and OneWorld), will push 1 million aircraft operations this year, but is weak when it comes to international traffic. Only one flight to South America, limited Asian service, and no new foreign flights on the radar.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

damn. If only MSY could be as weak as ORD in int'l traffic  Yeah sure

*sigh*


User currently offlineDia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Chicago has much better European service than the 2nd largest city in the US (Los Angeles) and comparable Asian service to NYC. I don't think Chicago is lacking at all for a city it's size. How many North American cities can claim multiple daily flights to Poland, flights to Sao Paulo, and flights to Hong Kong. While the Chicago metro is the 3rd largest, it is still half the size of the New York metro area. I think Chicago is doing quite well for itself. Although, I'd love to see Singapore, Virgin, Varig, Aeroflot, and ANA return......

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Its just not located in a natural place to be an international hub.

N


User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

I think there's a lot of people in the US on this website that wish their airports were as "weak" as ORD in international traffic. Compared to a lot of airports, ORD is a wonderland. I don't want to complain about lack of international service at my home airport of ATL, but there are few foreign airlines. There is Air France, British Airways, Air Jamaica, South African Airways, Aeromexico, Air Canada, Korean Air, and Lufthansa, most of which just have one flight. I'm still grateful to have them here but in ORD you have JAL, Korean Air, Royal Jordanian, Turkish Airlines, Air Canada, Mexicana, British Airways, Aer Lingus, Iberia, Air France, Lufthansa, KLM, Swiss, Alitalia, SAS, Air India, LOT, and probably a few more that I missed. Sure, you're not FRA or LHR, but ORD is not too shabby when it comes to international service.  Smile

-Airplanetire


User currently offlineOrdndfw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

I'ld like to see the permanately delayed ORD - LAX - MEL service finally take off. CX will probably start in 2005 as AA will never settle with it's pilots. Rumors that TG will start in 2005 as well.

User currently offline5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Chicago just has too much competition when it comes to vying for international tourists: NYC, LA, Miami, Las Vegas, Orlando etc. Chiacgo is a beautiful city but unfortunately not the first city in America most foreigners would wish to visit.


Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Please, you've got to be kidding!

Flights to (*=direct):
Acapulco, Ahmedanbad (India)*, Amman, Amsterdam, Aruba, Bangalore*, Beijing, Birmingham (UK), Brussels, Calgary, Cancun, Copenhagen, Delhi*, Dublin, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Grand Cayman, Guadalajara, Guatemala City, Hong Kong, Islamabad*, Istanbul, Karachi*, Krakow, Kuwait City, Lahore*, London, Madrid, Manchester, Mexico City, Milan, Montego Bay, Monterrey, Montreal, Morelia (Mexico), Mumbai, Munich, Ottawa, Paris, Puerto Vallarta, San Jose*, Sao Paulo, Seoul, Shannon*, Stockholm, Tel Aviv*, Tokyo, Toronto, Vancouver, Warsaw, Winnipeg, Zacatecas, Zurich



a.
User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1086 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

That's sux.

The visa and terrorist issues are ruin international travel in the USA. I don't think US domestic demand of international flights is huge enough for airlines to fly there. It needs international travellers.

ANA and SQ stoped flying there. Too bad. Soon, more airlines will pull out I believe.



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineOrdndfw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

Unfortunately, that is probably true.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

One must also remember that in addition to the *anything but short* list of international destinations from ORD, several key cities are connected by multiple dailies.

Excluding the Americas, I believe LHR leads the way with TWELVE daily flights (if that's not a lot, I don't know what is). FRA and NRT are next with four dailies, then CDG with 3. AMS, MUC, ZRH, and MAN all have twice-daily service.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

I thought Qantas was going to start to fly to ORD.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

You forgot Glasgow in that list MAH4546, granted it being a summer only destination though  Smile


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineUnited4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 291 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

"Flights to (*=direct):
Acapulco, Ahmedanbad (India)*, Amman, Amsterdam, Aruba, Bangalore*, Beijing, Birmingham (UK), Brussels, Calgary, Cancun, Copenhagen, Delhi*, Dublin, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Grand Cayman, Guadalajara, Guatemala City, Hong Kong, Islamabad*, Istanbul, Karachi*, Krakow, Kuwait City, Lahore*, London, Madrid, Manchester, Mexico City, Milan, Montego Bay, Monterrey, Montreal, Morelia (Mexico), Mumbai, Munich, Ottawa, Paris, Puerto Vallarta, San Jose*, Sao Paulo, Seoul, Shannon*, Stockholm, Tel Aviv*, Tokyo, Toronto, Vancouver, Warsaw, Winnipeg, Zacatecas, Zurich"


But it doesn't have flights to CWL yet does it? eh? eh?
 Big grin
Mike


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

I just think that ORD has surprisingly bad connections to YYZ and YUL but maybe that's just me looking for a few more interesting routes to ORD from Europe.
 Smile



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Weak?
I used to live in Chicago and I certainly miss some of the carriers since I returned to Toronto.
ORD has a formidable list of carriers;
Aer Lingus
Aeromexico
Air France
Air India
Air Jamaica
Alitalia
BMI
British Airways
Iberia
KLM
Kuwait Airways
Korean
LOT
Lufthansa
SAS
Swiss
Turkish

Cheers,
Kaz



t.dot photography
User currently offlineAirportPlan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Usermittwoch

There are more daily operations from YYZ to ORD than to any other US market. Much of that has to do with AC/UA's Star Alliance connection.

UA/AC- 13 Daily Ops

AA- 6 Daily Ops


User currently offlineGoAllegheny From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

I grew up in Pittsburgh in the late '70s; I still remember the excitement of seeing the tail of the BA 747 protruding over the roof of the old terminal near the highway after it started codeshare service with USAir. That was it for international flights.

Now I live in the greater Chicago area and consider ORD (and MDW, although I dislike that airport and its major airlines) to have unparalled domestic non-stop service to most areas of the US and darn good international service.

Now if only Taca or AA would start flying non-stop to San Jose, Costa Rica.


User currently offlineDia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

Couple of additions to AirbusFanYYZ's list. ORD also has Japan Airlines, PIA (Pakistan), Mexicana, Air Canada and soon Qantas

User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Chicago is definently limited in the Asian market, but they are still a strong international airport if you count services to Europe. ORD-ZRH, ORD-LHR, ORD-MAN, ORD-FRA, ORD-LGW (is this a route out of Chicago?) Chicago has some of the most variant routes to Europe of any U.S. airport. Do they also operate into Madrid? I know AA plans to add ORD-HKG in 2005.


Fly one thing; Fly it well
User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Air India , Royal Jordanian, Kuwait Airways and PIA all have twice
weekly services from ORD. I think PIA will be flying the 777 to ORD.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Also add...Lacsa, Aviacsa, Cayman Airways and EL AL. However it looks as if Qantas will not be adding service to ORD.


Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3099 times:
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ORD is "weak" in international flights? What must it be like for those mere mortals in DTW, MIA and BOS?  Big grin
Don't forget VS, they're looking to return to ORD.



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

ORD-LGW (is this a route out of Chicago?)

all ORD-LON routes are into LHR


Do they also operate into Madrid?

Not quite sure of the "they" you're speaking about... but IB flies MAD-ORD


User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

I am yet befuddled by Neil's comment about the geographical disposition regarding Chicago, but it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with its position as a mega-hub.

The business around Chicago is, and always will be the factor driving the flights and producing and propagating the traffic for the carriers that serve ORD.

I think that the number of flights is well-suited to the size of the city, but that's just my .02.



I mean, for the right price I’ll fight a lion. - Mike Tyson
25 Post contains images Jsnww81 : You guys are nuts! ORD is an international spotters' dream - while it doesn't hold a candle to LHR, NRT or FRA, it's got way more variety than 99% of
26 AirportPlan : One of the major reasons that Boeing choose to located its headquarers in Chicago verses Dallas or Denver was the wide variety of domestic and interna
27 MAH4546 : Granted, after 9/11 we lost Austrian, ANA, Aeroflot, Virgin Atlantic, Singapore Airlines and Sabena, but we've gained Royal Jordanian, Kuwait Airways,
28 Post contains links and images Mt99 : Ok.. im bored.. Im sure im missing some.. feel free to do a better job http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=ord-lhr%0D%0Aord-cph%0D%0Aord-mex%0D%0Aord-g
29 Chgoan : I'm from Chicago and think we have great international service considering our location geographically. Some destination just can't be reached with no
30 TWA902fly : The LOT flights... you could almost call them domestic. Chicago has the 2nd largest population of polish people in the world, after Warsaw. Krakow has
31 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : add Amman, Aruba, Montego, Puerto Vallarta, Beijing, Cancun, Sao Paulo, Zacatecas, Birmingham, Ottawa, Alcapulco.... and you'll have it
32 ORD747CLE : Thrust -- Per ConcordeBoy's post, there are no direct flights to LGW...why fly there when you can have LHR! I believe Delta used to offer ORD-MILAN on
33 Thrust : Sorry about that, ConcordeBoy. I was referring to AA about Madrid.
34 Chgoan : I don't remember Delta offering ORD-Milan. Only Alitalia offers the Milan route....Delta does through codeshare.
35 LOT767-300ER : Wow the magnitude of speculation on this thread is pretty huge. "Besides, what other city in the US offers LOT 767 service to both Warsaw AND Krakow?
36 MAH4546 : The LOT flights... you could almost call them domestic. Chicago has the 2nd largest population of polish people in the world, after Warsaw. Krakow has
37 Ssides : Anyone who thinks ORD is weak in international traffic is just kidding themselves. Face it -- the biggest business market from the US is going to be E
38 Post contains images VectorVictor : we'd have non-stop SAT-FRA flights Actually, I think they would use New Braunfels instead of San Antonio for this service. In the case of Chicago, the
39 Post contains images Jsnww81 : Ssides: I agree with you completely. There is quite a bit of wishfulness on this site from people claiming their area deserves international flights b
40 Mexicana757 : These are the international carriers into ORD with passenger service: Aerlingus AeroMexico Air France Air India Air Jamaica Alitalia Aviacsa British A
41 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : "It is commonly said that Chicago has the 2nd largest Polish population, but it's just under 1,000,000 Poles is less than the Krakow region's populati
42 AirportPlan : I use to work in Terminal 5 at ORD and there were almost no business travelers on the LOT flights. Most of the traffic was family members going back a
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