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User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Toronto is considered to be a top international hub in North America.
There is a possiblity of new routes being added in the near future(EK-DXB).

The Question:

What new international routes would you like to see? What routes routes
are economically feasible.

My wishlist

AC-BOM, Air Canada coud make lots of money!
SQ-SIN, Very large south east population in Toronto.
JL-NRT
AC-SHA, Air Canada could make lots of money, no direct flights between Toronto and the China mainland. Huge Chinese population in Toronto.

Cheers!




Come on you gunners......!!!!!
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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

While many of the above mentioned routes have some potential, most if not all can be flown right now with only one connection. Air Canada for example has their network set up so that many of the YYZ flight to YVR connect directly to Asian destinations. and I can't see that changing any time soon. Furthermore the current YYZ facilities do not make for a very attractive destination for airlines who want to offer quick and easy connections, as well as modern facilities. Not untill New-T1 opens its international phase (Pier F) will YYZ be a very attractive place for new airlines to open up new long haul service. That said, when T-New is up and running with Pier F it will be a very attractive destination for foreign airlines wanting to avoid overcrouded US airports namely NYC, and CHI airports but still offer their passengers a wide range of connections through north america. There are currently about 4 airlines in various stages of negotiation for service to YYZ, and I think 3 of them are foreign carriers. Service to Dubai, Cairo, Bombay, and varous South American destinations is likely to be in YYZ's future. As would additional asian non-stops. But as I said this will all have to be post New T1 being much further along then it will be in April.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

You took the words right outta my mouth. With the additional gates and larger pax processing facilities at T1-New I think YYZ will definitely attract more foreign carriers. What's the expected opening date for Pier F?

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

HEHE 2005, just like New T1's date was Oct 6/2003....oh wait Oct 26/2003...oh wait Feb 2/2004....oh wait April 6/2004  Big grin


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

I can't wait for the official announcement of EK's service, if and when it happens. Hopefully Qatar will follow suit sometime afterwards. They seem to be playing "follow the leader" with Emirates.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Anyone got a break down of what is flying to YYZ this summer?

Please add to this list or tell me what is not:

Mytravel
Thomas Cook
BA with a third flight again?
Turkish Airlines

what else?

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4969 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Slawko,

"Service to Dubai, Cairo, Bombay"

-Regardless of Tnew in Toronto, Toronto is still one of the worst places to transfer in terms of North America. Especially USA/International connections.

A pax, must enter Canada via Canadian customs. He/She must drop their bag off, go through security once more and United States pre-customs facilities. This whole process, doesnt improve connection times anyway. And there is little to believe that the process could change, given Canadian Immigration/Customs absolutely refusing, at this time at least, to disgard the requirement that all pax must pass through CDN etc.

Even at this, when the TWOV requirements are set back in the USA (Circa Q4 of 2004), YYZ could lose its competitive position now that TWOV's can no longer transit via the USA.

I think your expectations are quite high.. and the above mentionned doesnt mean that PIER F wont be great.

Mark



User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Mark I would recommend that you read up on New T1 before you make certain claims. IN Fact transfers to the US will be made easier. firstly just because they will be in the same building for the first time since before the merger. Second the building was designed to facilitate quick transfers between all sectors (International, Domestic, and Transboarder). When they designed the place it wasnt to meet ACA's demands. It was to position YZ as a major North American connecting point, and I think they did a pretty good job of it...although I might have been a bit more inclinced to include in-transit lounges rather then the various connection methods they did end up using. My expectations may be high with respect to the types of routes I think could make it in YYZ, but they are based on what I know about what will be around in 4-6 years.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

I was under the impression that in-transit passengers to a third country would NOT have to enter Canada. I don't recall where I read that but it would probably have been either yyznews.com or "Airline Canada Review*. I don't think YYZ was specifically mentioned. Is this procedure in place at YVR?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

I really don't know why, but MEA applied for rights to fly to Toronto and they got the approval.

Don't know if YYZ is in their plans, but it might be eventually sometime in the future. Who knows...

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

What is MEA? If they got approval, then come! We want more, More, MORE!!!!!

*Laughs evily*



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

What was the reason for no in-transit lounges, mainly because connecting outbound pax would be mainly be from US? What type of methodology did GTAA end up implementing?

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

MartinairYYZ,

What is MEA?

Middle East Airlines, the national carrier of Lebanon based out of Beirut (BEY).

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"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4969 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Slawko yes...

But I can assure you from some of the contacts that I have made, that transfer times at YYZ will NOT improve dramatically. In fact, ACA is dissapointed.. one person said "there are many connectivity issues that need to be adressed". This is because the formalities are still the same, and they are still subject to the same delays. And it is redundant, and transfer times at YYZ (international/US) will not be able to be matched from competitor hubs in ORD/DTW (especially DTW which is 10 times for efficient that Toronto Tnew will ever be).

During the trial, I was there with everybody else doing the international to domestic connection. There's a hell of a lot of walking involved  Big thumbs up, and its not that simple either. We all got lost .. imagine people who dont speak a word of English Big grin .. but im sure that will improve.

Mark





User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2410 times:

I'd like to see a year round service to EDI with AC, TS, Zoom, MYT, TCX.
I'm sure it could be sustained. TS and TCX already operate during the summer. Only on a weekly basis! I'd say at least a few times a week particularly during summer. I would use the route. I have relatives just outside if Toronto.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2402 times:

What YYZ needs in terms of new Intl carrier flights are :

1. The return of AIR INDIA
2. Any major Gulf airline like QR-GF-EK
3. SAA
4. JAL
5. CAA
6. QF
7. VS

What new routes are not flown and have potential are :

1. YYZ-LOS-JNB
2. YYZ-BEY-DXB
3. YYZ-GVA-BOM
4. YYZ-PEK


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

MartinairYYZ,

what the hell do you mean by your stupid comments about MEA.....


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Mark during the trial you did not go through an actually dom-int connection. The actual procedures have not yet been tested on a large scale, and I'm not sure where your ACA connections are getting their info, but much of the INT-US connection procedures are still being written (Not by Air Canada I might add) and so they can't be making comments about a process that they really would know about yet. In the short term (While TB Ops are still at T2, and INTL ops have to be gated at the IFT) you are right YYZ will not even come close to the connection times that you will get at ORD, NYC or DTW. But those are the draw backs of trying to build a facility in and around a working operation. But I think that when the place is fully up and running, or at the very least when T1old is gone and Pier F is open you will see a drastic improvement of connection times, and an ease in connection flows at YYZ.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4969 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Slawko,

Agreed! I definitely like the shape of TNew, and I was literally in awe when I stepped in.

But I dont think its efficiency can beat competitor US hubs such as DTW/ORD/EWR which will always have lower US/INTL connections due to less formalities.

Mark


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Well if people will be able to connect directly from INTL-US flights without entering canada at YYZ then i don't see how we couldn't do it just as fast.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4969 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Yeah..

But from what I am told, YUL is desperately trying to get approval from Canadian authorities to have pax bypass Canadian customs.

And so far, its been a flat no/delaying process. And frankly, I doubt it will ever happen, and the current TNEW is built around the notion that this will also not happen.

Mark


User currently offlineSky0000547 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

VS had a LHR-YYZ route a few years back but was stopped after 9/11. Guess it was difficult for them to compete against BA, AC, the deceased CP and the chartered airlines. Also the downturn of traffic didnt help.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

VS never had an LHR-YYZ route it operated from LGW, as they could not dedicate any LHR slots to YYZ...that was, I think, one of the major reasons they did not do well on YYZ-LON If they return it will be LHR-YYZ, and they will take on BA and AC directly as they should, fighting for the $$ that exists with connecting pax. Going head to head with Transat on YYZ-LGW just doesnt cut it....


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4969 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

"Toronto is considered to be a top international hub in North America. "

-Really? I beg to differ... ORD/MIA/JFK/LAX/EWR will give you a run for your money


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

If you count all the US flights from YYZ as "international", then YYZ is one of the premier North American hubs but this is of course misleading.

I think it is important to differentiate betw domestic, transborder/US and "true" international.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 FinnWings : Gmonney, I can add Finnair to your list as they will next summer start their seasonal charter flights to YYZ again... Regards, FinnWings
26 Yegbey01 : Given the size of the city of Toronto vis-a-vis some of the sinilarly sized cities in the US, Toronto looks pretty good and indeed it has great intern
27 MartinairYYZ : what the hell do you mean by your stupid comments about MEA..... Stupid??? I said that if the got approval to fly to YYZ, they should consider it and
28 Yegbey01 : MartinairYYZ, MEA, if and when it gets clearance to fly, believe me they will start flying to both YUL and YYZ. It's not by choice that they don't fly
29 BA : MEA doesn't have the resources to start up either YYZ or YUL. I think it would be a couple years IF MEA decides to start either or both of those route
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