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BMI Halving Daily LHR-MAD Flights  
User currently offlineTxiki1uk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

I have just noticed that BMI are cutting their daily flights from LHR-MAD from 2 to just one from the new timetable in March. Does anyone know why they are doing this?  Confused

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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

They probably need the slot at LHR due to them starting the following new routes in March:

LHR-Aberdeen 5 x daily
LHR-Inverness 1 x daily
LHR-Naples 1 x daily.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

No surprise here - the fares were always the lowest on the route, and flights never very busy! 2 x daily to madrid is not competitive, and x1 daily will be even less so. Just wondering how many more routes will have capacities cut.....

BMI used to have a focus and a mission.... today they try to be all things to all people, and are failing dramatically. They should either focus on being a full service carrier, or being a low cost carrier - they cant be both - no airline has ever succeeded in doing both- many have tried.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

When I was in MAD last Wed. and Thur., I only saw one BMI beast (G-MIDF, A321) - even though I was at the airport from 0645 until 1705 on the Thur. And I was in a position overlooking the active runway.


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Looks like the BA/IB fare to MAD may increase, Bmi and the Star Alliance need to rethink how they utilise their slots at LHR.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

MAD is down to daily -1
LIN is down to daily -2
CDG is down to five daily -1
DUB is down to seven daily -1
MAN is down to seven daily -1
HAJ is down to two daily -1






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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

How is Bmi doing on its TCI,ALC and PMI flights?

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Seems like BD are focusing away from business routes to ones with no direct competition, such as NAP, ALC, TFS and INV from LHR, and on Domestics, such as ALC, and away from routes with direct competition, such as DUB, CDG, LIN, MAD, and MAN.

Its tough being the smallest carrier in a market against BA and the oneworld alliance in markets such as MAD and DUB.

The big problem is that BD are quickly becoming irrelevent to the frequent business passenger as they do not offer the frequency required. I know of two companies that have terminated route deals with BD to CDG and DUB because the frequencies are dropping when compared to the competition. The same will now happen to LIN and MAD.



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

But aren't the business routes the most profitable?
The route to TFS takes up a big chunk of the flying day, the aircraft departs at 10.05 and doesn't return until 19.30, away for over 9 hours, wouldn't it be more profitable to deploy this aircraft on shorter fatter routes and double the sector use?


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2520 times:

Richard - it seems that what were BD's most profitable routes, such as DUB and CDG are no longer so due to one-way fare pricing, and increased low cost competition. On DUB, for example BD simply can't match EI on costs, and what was once x9 daily is now x7 daily... and will continue shrinking... The less frequency - the less the amount of business passengers

They hope that by reducing capacity they can compress demand into a smaller number of flights, and hence increase yield. It works in the short term - but people who need and pay for flexibility go elsewhere.. ALthough BD is cheaper than BA/IB to madrid - I usually choose BA - because I don't want to sit in Barajas until 20:15 for the next BD flight - when IB/BA have three in-between. Same thing in CDG - BD's first flight to London is now at 11am - leading to empty flights back to CDG in the evening from London (no paris based pax daytrippers anymore)




[Edited 2004-01-21 18:29:59]


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2498 times:

BD and the Star Alliance appear to need to review how they utilise their slots at Heathrow for the longer term, because the competition from BA and One World will increase when T5 arrives. My favourite BD flight is the 16.30 LHR-NCE, with a return on EZY NCE-LGW.

User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8484 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 2466 times:
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I thing the MAD route was to feed UA and other 'Star' carriers in London,however if it's being cut to once a day thats not a good sign.In addition,it's a sad sign that the earliest flight from CDG is now 11am,you won't gain business that way.

Looks like a loss of direction to me...............




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User currently offlineTxiki1uk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Thanks for the answers.

On a different thread, and being a weekly flier between LHR and MAD, I had remarked how much better priced the BD flight was (a business return being around £200 cheaper), and that it would be nice if they had at least another flight. If there is only going to be one flight a day, I am not going to transfer to travelling with BMI on this route.

Surely they should be looking to increase frequency (maybe with Spanair flying into LHR as well) in order not only to be able to compete with BA/IB on this route, but also the LCC carriers - like EZY? Just 2 more flights each way per day would make a big difference to winning lucarative business customers. Seems a shame that such a new route is already being abandoned.

Well, I just tore up my application for BMI Diamond club.



User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8484 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
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Hopefully you have joined BA Exec?


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User currently offlineTxiki1uk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Yep, Already a member but not impressed you don't get tier points on discounted economy - so I tend to use my IB Plus for gathering points - I cannot afford business all the time, and having compared the cards, IB is quicker (and therefore cheaper) to upgrade cards. 40 flights (at least 20 in Iberia flights) a year any class guarantees a Silver card. However, BA has the edge in convienience and automated check-in, though IB are introducing this soon.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

IB's quick check-in doesn't seem to be that user friendly - and is tempermental. However they have installed a check-in machine in the Melia Avenida Airport hotel - which is quite handy.

Lack of BA Tier Points on non full fares are quite annoying I must admit.



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