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How Do You Fix Alitalia?  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17513 posts, RR: 45
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Pretty self explanatory... AZ may back off necessary job cuts in order to appease the unions. So let's say appeasing the unions is a good idea...how do you fix AZ?


E pur si muove -Galileo
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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

You sell it to someone that can do a better job. HA HA HA


/// UNITED AIRLINES
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

By nature Alitalia is a European airlines. Thusfore it suffers from teh same kind of issues that most European airlines suffer from: Strikes and Economics. Alitalia is an airline that has been highly regarded since it's inception in the late 1940's when BOAC and TWA helped to create the airline.

Alitalia, since that time has been offering superior service, quality, and frequency. The airline now has embarked on a rather large scale expansion process and is going in the right direction. Alitalia, does not suffer from the American train of thought when it comes to service. Most U.S. airlines are suffering from identity issues, lack of service, poor marketing, ill-presentation skills, and lack of niche market. Alitalia on the other hand offers highly regarded products such as Mille Miglia, Magnifica Class, and its superior training faciilities. Alitalia also offers high quality inflight service, high quality inflight meals, high quality inflight audio and video, high quality overall ecperience and product.

Futhermore Alitalia has one of the most far reaching international networks. Many complain about this or that at Alitalia... Remember one thing Alitalia is a symbol of Italian pride, a symbol of fashion, a symbol diplomacy. Alitalia is not US Airways, nor is it Delta Airlines. Alitalia is a hallmark in aviation for service, safety, and experience. Alitalia has not suffered a major airline in years. Even Alitalias safety record is on a superior par!

LHR001


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Futhermore Alitalia has one of the most far reaching international networks

of what?! Carriers based in Italy?  Laugh out loud



Even Alitalias safety record is on a superior par!

Sure they havent had a fatality in a little over a decade... but they're certainly no Qantas either


User currently offlineNwacrew From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

And lest we forget: no one beats Alitalia crews when it comes to stylishly standing around hotel lobbies, chain smoking.

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Concorde Boy,


Alitalia serves:
(What U.S. airline serves all of the above)

Africa
Asia
Europe
Middle East
North America
South America

Alitalia Safety:

Compare it to anything in the U.S. and it becomes saintlike!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

...and uh, how many destinations does it serve in nearly each one of those other than Europe? About 3... maybe 5?


What U.S. airline serves all of the above

Both UA and CO serve five continents, as does AZ, with the latter likely introducing African service relatively soon.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17513 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

"Futhermore Alitalia has one of the most far reaching international networks"

...sure it did...but it has been paring it back recently. It may suffer from the same issue as LX and previously SR...global aspirations, but not the traffic to back it up. Their (currently not that interesting) global network is probably a liability at the moment rather than an asset.

"Even Alitalias safety record is on a superior par!"

Sure, why not. Doesn't have much effect on the bottom line since it is on par with the safety levels of other major airlines in the region and world.

That said, nobody has mentioned any way of fixing the economics of the airline, with or without right-sizing its employees.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Since everything I've read indicates that AZ will be swept into the new AF+KL pan-European airline group the question is less relevant. Perhaps AF+KL+AZ will find use for the surplus employees as they expand. The question is will expansion be in Italy or will the new combined airline prefer to develop a hub elsewhere?

I think if the new airline group has any brains at all it will maintain each airline as a seperate operation while integrating FF programs, service classes etc to provide a uniform quality product yet with distinctive local flavor in each of the three countries served.

It will be interesting to see how AF+KL+AZ works out. It will either be good for all three airlines, or it will be a disaster. Hopefully though under the influence of AF and KL, both noted for relatively good service, the service on Alitalia will improve, just as hopefully under the influence of KLM, Air France will actually start to clean the exterior of their aircraft properly rather than suggesting us to the "EuroBrown Look".

-WGW2707


User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

WGW2707

If you are talking about in-flight service, AZ has the best one among the three airlines. Hands down!


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Does Alitalia get any government support? Has it made a profit recently?

I don't know the answers to these questions. However, I would hope the answers are No and Yes, respectively.

If the answers are Yes and No, respectively, then Alitalia should go the way of Sabena...Ciao! I'm not much in to government subsidies for what should be private sector commercial enterprises. And, I'm not big on labor unions forcing businesses to be costly and too expensive to compete. I don't pay taxes in Italy, but if I did, I wouldn't want my tax dollars supporting operations that can't stand on their own feet.

Does Alitalia receive government subsidies? Has it made a profit and does it have cash reserves?


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2399 times:

In a word, privatize! The talk about privatizing AZ has seemingly been going on for eons. The endless talk to which there is no action may be doing more to keep AZ in a quagmire of malaise than any other single factor. This, more than anything, killed the AZ/KL alliance. Any serious investors capable of fixing AZ have probably lost interest due to the empty rhetoric of AZ's impending privatization.

The European "legacy" airlines who have been privatized in deed as well as word have done very well, BA and LH being leading examples.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17513 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2388 times:

I'm all for privatization, but I'm curious to hear the other side of the argument, in spite of the fact that I believe that no rational 'other side of the argument' exists. What do these strikers have in mind to keep the company running and still employ half of Italy?


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2357 times:

It appears the Alitalia unions may have gone to the same school of economics attended by the old Sabena unions.

Why isn't the EU clamping down on the government subsidies of Alitalia like they did when the Belgian government tried to rescue Sabena? Admittedly, I don't know the facts surrounding Alitalia, so I'm willing to be educated by any Alitalia supporters out there.


User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 2316 times:

Bicoastal

You are perfectly right.
If privatized and, most importantly, if it got rid of the unions, AZ would be a great airline.

Unfortunately, getting rid of the unions is not easy at all in Italy.
Just today they opposed the 2004-06 plan by proposing another plan which says:
- Keeping AZ under Government control.
- Giving some control to local governments (Governors and mayors!!!)
- Having FCO as main hub and MXP just as a freight hub (this is insane!!!)
- Having the Italian railroad and tour operators in the board

As you can see, they are not just irresponsible, but they pretend to be managing the company. In the wrong way, of course!


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Since everything I've read indicates that AZ will be swept into the new AF+KL pan-European airline group the question is less relevant.

AZ really wants to join the party; the other two are less keen.

Does Alitalia receive government subsidies?

Not directly; there are relatively strict EU regulations concerning this.



Cunning linguist
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