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Mexicana To Codeshare With American  
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040121/daw019_1.html

So it looks like MX has dumped UA in favor of AA...I wonder if they will be joining Oneworld soon...very interesting!

[Edited 2004-01-21 14:32:35]


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Now this is veeeeeery interesting! Wouldn't surprise me if they join OneWorld in a year or two.

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Me neither...at the very least, I would expect to see codesharing with IB in the near future, since that would make a lot of sense for MX.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Strange bedfellows indeed!  Big grin But I can sort of see it.  Smile


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

(sorry, duplicate post)

[Edited 2004-01-21 14:41:00]


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

My only concern is whether there might be any antitrust issues, since AA has a much larger presence in Mexico than UA had. On the other hand, their service does not overlap on many routes, so it may not be a problem.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Isn't there a law in Mexico that Mexican carriers can't directly compete against each other on the same routes or something strange like that?


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

It makes sense... with AA looking at a more integrated alliance with Alaska, you will see a US-Mexico powerhouse alliance/airline presence that has never been seen before.

CO should be worried, if not for the fact that they are now developing a partnership with AeroMexico...

Poor United... now virtually locked out of the US-Mexico market unless it starts up more service on its own.

Aren't there anti-trust issues with respect to AA's strength in Central America now, though... because AA is currently with TACA?

Will TACA go to Star Alliance??


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

This is good move for MX & AA added more new codeshare this time and after that for MX is leaving from star alliances.

User currently offlineXAAAM From Mexico, joined Dec 2003, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Smart move by Mexicana and AA, they complement each other very good in North American routes, specially in and out of Mexico and Central America.

TACA will have to do something quick.


User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

This codeshare between MX and AA paves the road for MX to join OneWorld in the future. I hope this codeshare helps both of the airlines.

Iflyatldl

I think the law your talking about is the one that only allows two airlines from both countries to fly one route. Like GDL-LAX, AM and MX are the Mexican carriers flying the route and AA and Delta are the American carriers flying it. Same thing with ORD-MX), Mexico">MEX, AM, MX, AA and UA fly the route. The Mexican airline that used to fly this route was TAESA. AM picked up the route like two years ago.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13597 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4852 times:
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The only "huh?" I have about this is that AA codeshares with AS on flights to/from Mexico already (the AS code on AA flights), with a significant codeshare expansion plan under review by the DOT where AS flights will sport AA codes.

Does AA really need that much extra AA-coded lift to/from Mexico?



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

Thanks Mexicana757!  Smile


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineWiLdmanVzla From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

That's great news... Star Alliance didn't work well with MX, so I hope MX will get into OneWorld as soon as possible.

*******


User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 4696 times:

American signs extensive marketing alliance with Star leaver Mexicana:

American Airlines has signed an extensive marketing agreement with Mexicana, which leaves the Star alliance at the end of March after ending its co-operation with United. Their new accord includes extensive code-sharing on one another's routes and frequent flyer links.

Announcing the development today, American made clear that it was up to Mexicana whether or not it would seek membership of oneworld, but that AA would "certainly be supportive" of any such application.

Under their agreement, which is subject to governmental approval, the two airlines will code-share on one another's flights between the USA and Mexico, on connecting services to points within both countries and on select international flights beyond the United States.

Both carriers stressed the advantages this will bring to air travellers between their home countries. Mexicana customers will receive enhanced service to the most important markets in the USA, Europe and Asia as well as new destinations in the Caribbean, while American passengers will be able to fly on AA-coded services to 21 additional airports in Mexico and on 27 new, non-stop transborder routes.

Together, the two airlines offer 500 round-trips a week between the US and Mexico, with AA expanding its own services at the end of this month including new routes between its Dallas/Fort Worth hub and Cozumel and Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo.

Under their reciprocal frequent flyer arrangement, members of the AAdvantage programme will be able to earn and redeem miles on the Mexican carrier's network, and likewise cardholders' of Mexicana's Frecuenta scheme on American services.

American's President and Chief Executive Gerard Arpey said: "Through this agreement with Mexicana, we're further strengthening the breadth of our route system and increasing flight options for our passengers. In co-operation with Mexico's finest airline, we're able to further honour our commitment to providing our customers with the products and services they value."

Mexicana's Chairman and Chief Executive Fernando Flores said: "We're very pleased to announce the leading alliance in North America. Our commitment to our passengers has always been to offer the best services and connectivity. Now that we are working with American Airlines, I'm confident that Mexicana will solidify its long-standing stature as the leading Mexican international airline."

Mexicana is Mexico's leading international airline. With one of the youngest fleets in the world, it serves more than 55 destinations in North, Central and South America and the Caribbean. It has served the USA for more than 70 years, while American has flown to Mexico for more than 60 years.

Mexico's other main airline, Aeromexico, is a member of SkyTeam, with extensive bilateral links with Delta and Continental.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 4675 times:

Great news! Now, hopefully this will mean increased Miami-Mexico service for both airlines.


a.
User currently offlineGALLO_MEXICO From Mexico, joined Oct 2000, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

So we are moving to Oneworld, I liked more Staralliance, whatever.

Check the complete article in spanish:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/noticia.html?id_nota=198185&tabla=notas


User currently offlineDFWMEX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

You all got here first! I read it on the Mexicana webpage and quickly came to a.net to be the first one to post these news, but you all are too fast and the thread already had started.

I am so glad that MX is doing this. This clearly indicates that MX will be joining One World eventually. So excited about the news!

Jose


User currently offlineCx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Great news!

So I suppose this means Mexicana beefing up flights to MIA and probably starting to DFW (doesn't MX have dormant rights?).


User currently offlineNavega From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

The best most exciting news by a Mexican Airlines in many, many years.

For all those who trashed Mexicana's decision to leave STAR it is now clear
that their business decision is a great one.

This will enable Mexicana to grow and expand and fly to many, many
US and International destinations.

Hopefully we will soon see flight to Europe, and the Caribbean and a whole lot
of the US.

I am very happy as Mexicana is one of the great airlines of the world and
deserves to be on top again.





User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Here's what they will codeshare on...

On transborder routes, MX will place the *MX code on the following AA/AEagle flights:
BOS-CUN
DFW-ACA/AGU/CUN/CZM/GDL/ZIH/BJX/MX), Mexico">MEX/MTY/PVR/SJD
JFK-CUN
LAX-SJD
MIA-CUN/MX), Mexico">MEX
ORD-ACA/CUN/MX), Mexico">MEX/PVR/SJD
STL-CUN

On transborder routes, AA will place the *AA code on the following Mexicana flights:
DEN-MX), Mexico">MEX
EWR-MX), Mexico">MEX
LAS-GDL/MX), Mexico">MEX
LAX-CUN/GDL/BJX/MX), Mexico">MEX/MLM/SJD/ZCL
MIA-CUN/MX), Mexico">MEX
OAK-GDL/BJX/ZCL
ORD-DGO/GDL/MX), Mexico">MEX/MTY/MLM/ZCL
PDX-GDL
SAT-GDL/MX), Mexico">MEX
SFO-GDL/MX), Mexico">MEX/MLM
SJC-GDL/MLM
SMF-GDL

AA will place the *AA designator codes on select flights to/and from US-Mexico gateways within Mexico to these destinations operated by Mexicana:

Acapulco/ACA, Cancun/CUN, Chertumal/CTM, Cuidad de Carmen/???, Cozumel/CZM, Guadalajara/GDL, Hermosillo/HMO, Bahias de Huatulco/BHL, Ixtapa/ZIH, Leon/BJX, Manzanillo/ZLO, Mazatlan/MZT, Merida/MID, Mexicali/MXL, Mexico City/MX), Mexico">MEX, Minatitlan/MTT, Monterrey/MTY, Morelia/MLM, Nuevo Laredo/NLD, Oaxaca/OAX, Puerto Escondido/PXM, Puerto Vallarta/PVR, Saltillo/SLW, San Jose del Cabo/SJD, Tampico/TAM, Tijuana/TIJ, Tuxtla/TGZ, Veracruz/VER, Villahermosa/VSA, Zacatecas/ZCL

MX will place the *MX designator codes on select flights to/from Mexico gateways to these domestic destinations operated by American Airlines:

Albuquerque/ABQ, Atlanta/ATL, Austin/AUS, Baltimore/BOS, Boston/BOS, Charlotte/CLT, Chicago/MDW, Chicago/ORD, Cincinnati/CVG, Cleveland/CLE, Columbus/CMH, Dallas/DFW, Denver/DEN, Detroit/DTW, El Paso/ELP, Fresno/FAT, Honolulu/HNL, Houston/IAH, Indianapolis/IND, Kansas City/MCI, Las Vegas/LAS, Los Angeles/LAX, Miami/MIA, Milwaukee/MKE, Minneapolis/MSP, Nashville/BNA, Newark/EWR, New Orleans/MSY, New York City/JFK, New York City/LGA, Oakland/OAK, Omaha/OMA, Ontario/ONT, Orlando/MCO, Philadelphia/PHL, Phoenix/PHX, Pittsburgh/PIT, Portland/PDX, Raleigh/RDU, Sacramento/SMF, Salt Lake City/SLC, San Diego/SAN, San Francisco/SFO, San Jose/SJC, Seattle/SEA, St. Louis/STL, Tampa/TPA, Tucson/TUS, Washington, D.C./DCA, Washington, D.C./IAD

MX will place the *MX designator codes on select flights to/from Mexico gateways to these international destinations operated by American Airlines:

Tokyo/AA), Japan">NRT, Brussels/BRU, Zurich/ZRH, Frankfurt/FRA, Madrid/MAD, London/LHR, London/LGW, Manchester/MAN, Rome/FCO, Calgary/YYC, Montreal/YUL, Toronto/YYZ, Vancouver/YVR, Buenos Aires/EZE, La Paz/LPB, Santa Cruz/VVI, Rio de Janeiro/GIG, Sao Paulo/GRU, Santiago de Chile/SCL, Quito/UIO, Guayquil/GYE, Lima/LIM, Asuncion/ASU, Montevideo/MVD, Anguilla/AXA, Aruba/AUA, Barbados/BGI, Bermuda/BDA, Bonaire/BON, Canuoan Island/CIW, Casa de Campo/LRM, Curacao/CUR, Dominica/DOM, Freeport/FPO, George Town/GGT, Grand Cayman/GCM, Grenada/GND, Kingston/KIN, Marsh Harbour/MHH, Montego Bay/MBJ, Nassau/NAS, Nevis/NEV, Pointe a Pitre/PTP, Port-Au-Prince/PAP, Port of Spain/POS, Providenciales/PLS, Punta Cana/PUJ, Puerto Plata/POP, Santiago/STI, Santo Domingo/SDQ, St. Kitts/SKB, St. Lucia/SLU, St. Marteen/SXM, and Tortola/EIS



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

I also believe this is great news, although we sort of saw it coming.

While this seems like a step towards becoming a member of oneworld, MX has consistently stressed that it will keep its cooperation agreements with LH, AC and RG in place. I don't know if MX will be able to retain its codeshare agreements with these Star Alliance members if it seeks to become a oneworld member or if it will be forced to sever said links. In any case, I hope MX' actions result in better service and in MX flying to new destinations. It would be very nice MX flying to new destinations in the U.S., such as Washington (either Dulles or Reagan) and DFW. It would also be very nice if MX started offering service to European destinations like London (Heathrow or Gatwick). Perhaps we will indeed see in the future new codesharing agreements with other oneworld carriers such as BA, LA and IB (although I think I read somewhere that JK was going to start flying its own aircraft to CUN and that MX was going to be its codeshare partner for that route... is that true or am I crazy?).

Finally, I have two question for everybody:

1. Is AA going to place the *AA designator in all or some of MX's flights from MX), Mexico">MEX to South and Central America?

2. What happened to MX's service to SJU and SDQ?



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User currently offlineRicardomexico From Mexico, joined Nov 2002, 109 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

This is business, and I think it is a good step for Mexicana, and even better if MX joins one world, this would be even better. However I do not think that this is a godd news for Aerocalifornia. I think Aerocalifornia has an agreement with AA, is not it?
In the ohter side, I prefer flying UA than AA. I have not tried AA in almost 10 years, may be they have improved their service, at least in flights between Mexico and USA, hope so, as much as I would like the One world.




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User currently offlineMx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4347 times:
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This is what I was waiting to hear!!!

Now what do the people that hate MX have to say???

Mx330



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User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

There's always something behind such important moves as when Mexicana announced it will leave Star Alliance. Surely this was all planned. Mexicana would never have been so stupid as to leave the biggest alliance, without any backup!

Interesting news! The future that awaits this great airline! Now if only Mexicana would change to Boeing!...

A. De Leo



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25 ORDnDFW777 : All flights will go through DFW, the next Heathrow (yeah, right)?
26 Rojo : And don't forget that Mexicana has dormant rights to fly the Mexico City-DFW route. Since AM has gone from 3 daily flights to 1 daily flight thanks to
27 JAL : Cool!!!! Maybe Mexicana will join OneWorld soon!!! Now if only JAL would join.
28 Jopavon : This was comming...we could actually smell it. These are the so expected news MX had reserved. Mexicana had a strategic plan to have more destinations
29 EddieDude : More on MX. This time, it's questions I have. What will happen to MX's Fokker 100's? I personally like them very much. They are not noisy, they are co
30 Post contains images Orbis : I would love to hear to what Ghost77 has to say about. He's so properly informed about MX business. Anyway, I would love to fly MEX-LHR on a codeshare
31 Jopavon : EddieDude: Mexicana placed recently an order for 10 A318s for delivery between Dec 04-Dec 05. They will replace F100s. Regading MX 757s: Las Vegas N10
32 Orbis : Jopavon: A340's and B777's wow. Great news. Did you read it online??? Will you share the link???
33 EddieDude : It sure does Jopavon, mil gracias!!! I really look forward to flying to Europe on an MX widebody.
34 Danny : Can someone explain what is exactly the profit for Mexicana in leaving STAR and joining One World?
35 Post contains links Rojo : Yes I can: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1364610/
36 EddieDude : We will probably see MX doing what SA and VS do: remain independent of alliances while maintaining key codeshare partnerships with strong airlines on
37 Post contains images Ghost77 : Ok, my point of view: HOPE MX doesn't follow AA steps in their inflight service. I've heard (my parents own a Travel Agency) hundreds of complaints ab
38 AA767400 : AA Does not charge for pillows and blankets, how dramatic! Yes, MX service is MUCH more complete then AA. But come on, charging for pillows? Alcoholic
39 MAH4546 : I've heard (my parents own a Travel Agency) hundreds of complaints about American's service. American's service standards are commonly considered to
40 LatinAviation : I've heard (my parents own a Travel Agency) hundreds of complaints about American's service. American's service standards are commonly considered to b
41 Jopavon : Orbis, I read it on Airliner World (Feb 2004). The article is "Mexico targets Europe". This is the first paragraph. The second is dedicated to AM. "Me
42 Post contains images Ghost77 : MAH4546, I just want to point out what I have heard. Its not my opinion. IMO I would give a 5 to AA. Flew with them last August 03 from SXM to MIA in
43 Post contains links MAH4546 : American's service standards are commonly considered to be the best of the major US carriers. I commonly support your posts, MAH, but this is debatabl
44 EddieDude : For one, I have realized that not all of AA's aircraft have been reconfigured so as to offer better seat pitch. For a flight over 3 hours, I think the
45 Post contains images Fly727 : As far as I know MX is indeed in talks to bring the A330. I over heard today at the Pilot's Union Assembly that AM will retire the 757 in favour of th
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