DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27 Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4070 times:
Just wondering if anybody has updates on the details on SAA's future plans for the U.S.
What I know, with my questions:
-SAA plans on serving U.S. cities with A346 (nonstop each way from JHN)(and, which cities do they serve currenly besides NYC and ATL?)
-Will possibly join SkyTeam (have they yet?)
-If they join SkyTeam, they'll probably switch from serving JFK to EWR (for the connections with Continental, Delta, and NWA.
-I understand they will keep just a few 744s for years to come to serve London? This will occur, even though they claim the A346 will be their Flagship. So they will still fly 744s for years after they shed the last 737NGs around 2010 (when the 737NGs leases end). . .interesting.
-Is SAA giving the A380 even a glance?
On a side note, SAA revealed they chose the A340 series due to its better high and dry performance. They claimed it was much better than the 777's performance. That's fine. . .but it makes me wonder. . .UA's 777 service performance numbers in/out of DIA apparently sparkles when it comes to performance levels (according to UA). And we're definately high and dry.
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3802 times:
SAA revealed they chose the A340 series due to its better high and dry performance. They claimed it was much better than the 777's performance
Uh, no... they chose it because Airbus was desperate to get rid of SR's outstanding A346s and gave SA a killer price for them.
SA's original intention was to lease Trent892-powered 772ER from DL.
UA's 777 service performance numbers in/out of DIA apparently sparkles when it comes to performance levels
...maybe now that it has a 16,000ft runway.
Before that, UA had trouble getting their 772ERs out of SA - Colorado AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN for their shortlived SA - Colorado AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-FRA. They had to keep pushing the departure time later and later and later before actually launching it...
There are always lots of rumours floating around regarding destinations. To name a few: Beijing as a new one. Possibly re-opening routes to SYD & AMS. And so forth. We can speculate as much as we would like to.....
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Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3687 times:
Some quite interesting data from SAA regarding break-even loadfactors (p15) and trip costs vs seat costs (p24) Comparisons for both sets of data are for the following types:
The data doesnt show Airbus to be a clear winner, especially when looking at seat cost vs trip cost.
What it does show that due to Johannesburg's location - not only hot and high, but also with signficant obstacle clearence issues - quads are at a distinct advantage over twins. And that isn't an Airbus bias - the A330-200 comes out an absolute stinker!
There was an article at the time, I believe in Flight International, (2001/2) citing performance as a most critical consideration for SAA in selecting their longhaul fleet. And due to the demands of JNB there are significant advantages in a quad - a quad in the event of an engine failure will almost always out-perform a twin with an engine out - and it is almost always that the engine-out scenario is the most limiting when calculating an aircraft's max takeoff performance under given conditions...
Shame the tread never took off - I never got round to re-typing my post. I suppose it will always be a fact of life of airliners.net that topics about the carpets on United aircraft being changed to a new shade of blue, the shortest flight from your airport and about the longest flight you've been on, will always generate the most replies