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User currently offlineNORTHSEATIGER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 432 posts, RR: 4
Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Is there any word yet of what caused the Flash airways crash in Egypt ??

T's And P's look good....Rotate
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User currently offlineAlcregular From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

It was on the news tonight, apparently it was pilot error.

User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2386 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Some people might alrady have seen this but in this month's airliner world they were in the news section saying that they were getting a 734 to increase capacity and start flights to the UK primarily BHX and MAN!! Not anymore!

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

>>>It was on the news tonight, apparently it was pilot error.

I'm sure glad the expert accident investigators in the media have cleared that up for us...  Insane

I saw the following blurb elsewhere, and I think it was dated Jan 20th. After reading it, I think what the media was probably -trying- to say was that the accident appears NOT to have been terrorism-related, and is instead more of the "traditionally-caused" accident, and the media probably assumed (incorrectly) that automatically meant pilot error. Once the CVR and FDR are read over the next couple of day, I expect that you'll hear more detailed info, so stay tuned.

CAIRO (Reuters) - Flight recorders recovered from an Egyptian airliner which crashed into the Red Sea this month showed that the plane was not attacked, the head of the investigation says.

But the cockpit voice recorder, which contains 30 minutes of conversation, was noisy and it was not clear from the initial analysis what went wrong with the Boeing 737, which was carrying 148 people including 133 French tourists. All were killed.

"The first thing we looked at was there any possibility of any explosion and we have a total negative possibility and that's why we can say, we can definitely confirm, there is no terrorist act," investigator Shaker Qilada told Reuters on Tuesday.

"What I can tell you is that we don't have an indication from the voice recorder of any defect yet," he added.

Qilada told a news conference that the crash was definitely the result of "a technical fault", a term which he said could include mechanical problems and pilot error.

"So this is what I call a classic accident. It is not an accident out of the normal. We will investigate the machine and the human being," he added.

[Edited 2004-01-22 01:34:03]

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

I presume this is the item that Alcregular saw...


It's easy to see how folks could get the idea that they've already ruled it "pilot error" when one compares the article's headline:

"Pilot to blame for crash "

...versus the text in the article's 5th paragraph:

"But Qilada said on Tuesday that investigators had narrowed down the cause to **either technical failure or human error**, saying there was no indication of terrorism. " [**My emphasis**]

As much as I respect the rights and benefits of a free press, I sure wish they'd get their act together sometimes....

User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Once again this crash was caused by the same thing most all crashes are caused by ... Gravity. If the good lord had wanted man to fly, he would have given us wings ....

Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

I just received a strange mail... Wonder if it is any truth in it or if it is just one of the many unnecessary conspiracy theories.

In the days preceding the crash, six Air France planes to Los Angeles were cancelled, and another diverted to Canada. All over the world the word went out that a French plane was going to be hit. Then came a report on Fox News, broadcast only once. It seems that a plane along with another 149 passengers and crew disappeared after taking off from Benin the year before. According to an aviation expert quoted by Fox, that plane was transferred to Lebanon and then leased by Flash Air. The plane that sunk into the Red Sea was that very plane which disappeared somewhere near Benin. What that means is 149 people were slaughtered somewhere in Africa in order to acquire the Shark El Sheikh death jet. And now the most puzzling part of the mystery. Tony Blair was in Sharm El-Sheikh the moment the plane went down. We remember that Blair-Bush did not appreciate France's attitude towards their capture of Iraq. Was the downing of the Flash Air jet a show for Blair or was he merely commanding the operation? In the wake of the Flash Air crash, French police suddenly remembered that they had covered up the murder of Princess Diana and the scandal took on new life.

User currently offlineJonathan L From United States of America, joined May 2001, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

So... Tony Blair and/or George Bush crashed this plane because France didn't like the Iraq war? Come on! Why are you continuing the proliferation of that garbage?

User currently offlineAifos From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Hey Leviticus, stop quoting Fox News as it brings bad luck and it is not a 24 hours information channel but a big money/large corporate interests/propaganda machine.
As far as the French bashing was concerned, only 10% of the American people went for it. The rest was pure media fuzz serving some broader poilitical purposes!

We love France....and Airbus too  Smile

AA Ex. Platinium
User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Jonathan L, Aifos,

Sorry guys if you misunderstood me, I did not mean to say that it was truth just that it was rather interesting. However I like France and Airbus too (as well as Fox News but that is another story and it does not belong in the Aviation Forum) and I do not try to start some bashing flamewar.

User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1315 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Hey ScottishLaddie, I saw that article in AW. In the days after the crash with the whole media thing about the Swiss ban, and it was announced 2 "unsafe" airlines where flying into the UK (btw did anyone ever find out who they were??) the Transport Secretary said soemthing along the lines of "Flash airlines have never had a licence to fly to the UK and have never submitted an application..."

Leviticus' post is certainly interesting... if not a bit sensational. Not that I believe it or anything (everyone is entitled to a view), but did an aircraft go missing along aith 149 pax from Benin, would have thought someone would have heard about that??

User currently offlineBA1978 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Jmc757, it looks like they revealed those banned, but I couldn't find out what the 2 other airlines were that were banned another European country, yet are still permitted to fly to the UK.


There are other ways and there's British Airways
User currently offlineGamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2335 times:


The mail you received is typical spam of the conspiracy kind. Some of the facts cited did indeed happen, or rather, they are based on a mix things that are rumored to have happened.

An aircraft DID crash in Benin: it did not "disappear" and it was not a 737 though, but a 727 operated by an African airline which carried Lebanese expats back to Lebanon from West Africa. The same aircraft was rumored to be the same which had disappeared last year from Angola, after it had just been repossesed by the leasing company and was being ferried somewhere. It just disappeared from the radars over Angola and noone knows where it ended up but someone suspects it is the same aircraft which was later sold to the African airline of the Benin accident and re-registered. This may be true but it is just speculation. Finally, Blair was indeed in Sharm El Sheik for an official meeting. The rest of that mail is baloney.

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2999 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

That Benin crash was in the news here in Germany for a day or two. So I guess that means the plane did not get into the hands of "Evil Doers".
And for the conspiracy theory, wouldn't it have been even more exciting if the plane was aimed at Tony Blair by French secret agents?!

Where have all the tri-jets gone...
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