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United Airlines 837 - Decieving  
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

On a search for San Francisco to Bangkok on 23 October:

United Airlines 837

San Francisco 1130am
Tokyo/Narita 210pm

Tokyo/Narita 625pm
Bangkok 1050pm


This seems ridiculous that United Airlines would show the same flight number for a flight that is departing 4 hours and 15 minutes later. Understanding that this is a through or direct flight. Without a doubt you will be made to change aircraft in Tokyo! Yes, it is true many airlines offers direct and connecting flights with the same flight number... 4 hours and 15 Minutes is stretching it a bit!



LHR001

[Edited 2004-01-22 10:35:49]

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24813 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Just gives you more time to enjoy the automatic beer machines at the Red Carpet Club.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

If it's the same plane, take into account fueling time, cleaning and catering time, etc. SFO-NRT is not just a small walk in a park, and NRT to Bangkok is like another 5 hour flight on top of that.

Each time I fly overseas, after we deplane, the interior is a mess! Garbage here, wrappers there, blankets all over the place. Imagine a full crew combing through the rows carefully, cleaning out the pockets, redoing the magazines and goodies in the pockets, etc...



Save the whales...for dinner!!!
User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3133 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Lhr001

I before E except after C.

In jest
MH



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineMymiles2go From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

I'm sure you're aware that Tokyo is a hub for United, futhering that concept, hubs often have "hub times" - or times when a large number of flights converge on that hub at a particular time, then depart from that hub at a particular time. In this case, UA837 arrival from San Fran happens to represent roughly the begining of the Tokyo daily hub time, and it's departure to Bangkok happens to represent the end of that daily hub time. By roughly 6:30 (depending on Season) basically all United flights will have left Tokyo for the evening.

Most United flights tend to arrive between 2-3:30, and most United flights tend to depart between 5-6:30PM. Keep in mind that arriving into NRT can often encounter quite lengthly air traffic delays, not to mention the fact that simply flying 5,000 miles across the ocean can also result in landing times differeing from thier scheduled times.

Based on my numberous times through NRT on United, this length of times is just about right. Gives one enough time to enjoy the more important things in life....like the Tokyo Red Carpet Club's Automatic Beer Machine.


User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

You have to keep in mind that the passengers from other U.S. cities (such as ORD, SEA, JFK, HNL and LAX) may want to connect to that BKK flight as well. These US arrivals are spread out between 2pm-5pm local time and UA's Asian departures begin after 5pm. There has to be a little bit of flexibility for all US cities-Narita-Asia connection to take place.

In most cases, it is not impossible to turn a long haul international arrival around in 2 hours at Narita. I have seen occasional an hour and half turn around on delayed arrival aircraft.

TokyoNarita.



User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Always something about United you don't like LH001,Keep up the good work(on whining about something)



UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

I don't like the way UAL has continued to have planes in the air. They should be out of buisness.

LHR001



Blah Blah Blah.


User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2896 times:

No, actually you forgot something UALPHLCS...

"I don't like the way UAL has continued to have planes in the air. They should be out of buisness.
I can't wait to see the new c/s
here's an entire schedule of UA's Asian operations.......
I'm terribly busy being in real estate in Vegas
and yes, I worked for a fabulous international air carrier that doesn't exist
I love stirring up trouble
I think it's time to change my username and profile again"

Just my observations of his behavior over the past few months

FA4UA



The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
User currently offlineLImamura From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Usually UA gives several options for passengers going to Bangkok.
From SFO, UA has 2 flight daily to NRT, so even though UA837 is listed as a flight going SFO/NRT/BKK, it would be more wise to take UA853, which is the second flight that depart to NRT then you will arrive in NRT around 5pm making less waiting time in NRT for the UA837 flight to BKK, which departs at 6:35pm now. If you don't believe me look it up on the web and for sure in most cases they will give you more than just that one option with UA.

I guess you should be very glad that you are not flying on other carrier's making connections through NRT because some of the connections makes you wait all day since at NRT the European bound flights generally leave in the morning and USA flights leave in the evening and some connections are geared for the European flights.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

What exactly is 'deceiving' about the long layover?

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

I'll check my IATA rule books, but I believe there are no restrictions for same flight number on different segments in terms of layover.

I'll bet ya that a quick search of Northwest shows they do the same thing...

-n


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Northwest does it...

Flight 7, at least two years ago, was like this...

MEM-SEA, 757
SEA-NRT, 742
NRT-SEL, 742 (same plane I think according to the arrival announcement I once heard)

I have flown Flight 7 from MEM to SEA once, and on other occasions, flight 7 from SEA to NRT. But never to Seoul.

Mind you, this was two years ago, so I do not know if the schedule is the same. Maybe it was 3 years ago...2001 sounds about right.



Save the whales...for dinner!!!
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

FA4UA,


This has nothing to do with hatred or anything against Unted... This is just a simple question as to how long or what restrictions constitute a direct flight versus a connecting flight on U.S. carriers!

Dont be so defensive..... I have flown United many times and continue to do so... As I am a Varig Smiles member. Furthermore, I support United and continue to choose United over low cost alternatives such as WN, and B6!



LHR001

[Edited 2004-01-23 09:49:04]

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

And you haven't either, LHR001.  Big grin


I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

NW is currently doing the same thing with Flight 27 -- SFO-NRT, ~2.5 hours and a new airplane, then NRT-BKK. I think it's done because it has marketing advantages.

Same reason that CO 6/7 have at times gone to/from MIA (going MIA-IAH-NRT).

Gotta be a real surprise to the folks inbound when, post customs, they get on a 737 after flying in the 777  Smile

Steve


User currently offlineHNLFlyboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

LHR - if you have such strong feelings AGAINST UA, why are you looking up their schedule to BKK and scrutinizing it? I am sure you have other options in regards to air service to BKK. Perhaps you should refocus your energy on finding that alternative carrier/routing instead of continuing to whine about UA? I am surethat you will be a happier person.

signed,
Dr. Everything Will Be All Right
UA 1K member


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