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Hawaiian Pulling Out Of ONT  
User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Guess HA is dropping ONT, as they state they have been
"unsuccessful in making it profitable"

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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

This is what? The second or third time they've pulled out?



User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Not much of a surprise, in my opinion. After all, frees up plane for Aussie service.
Also, I do not recall HA serving ONT before. I know Rich Intl. flew L-1011s nonstop from ONT-HNL awhile ago.


User currently offlineFLIBOYZ From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Watch FAT be next.....Not a shock to see ONT not doing good. That was a pretty risky move for HA in the first place. But if you don't try you never know huh.

With the trustee massaging there operations and making an announcment soon about reductions and such, we'll see what else is cut. My guess will be FAT and PHX. And some Interisland flights. Maybe to return one or two more 717s to Boeing.

But that is just MY .02.

Later


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

HA did indeed serve ONT before, around 1992, with DC-8's and L-1011's.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5947 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4572 times:
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Since when did HA start flying to FAT??? I knew they flew to SMF.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

wow!! I didn't know that about Hawaiian Air was use into ONT many times and after that was pulled out with ONT. So also, I heard HA make announcement added second flight from SEA to HNL soon. I read other news yesterday with Hawaiian Air. Well, talk ya later!  Smile

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

I lived near Fresno during the summer of 2003, and I never recall seeing a Hawaiian aircraft land at FAT. It's odd, though, that the FYI website has them listed as a carrier. Any info?

User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Alright, I stand corrected.

But, I'll bet $100 that FAT is not next HA city to lose service. Seeing as they do not fly there. Maybe you meant SMF?

Perhaps if HA had something smaller than 763 to fly to ONT, it would have done better. Maybe AQ will start service there,as well.

It amazes me how many routes airlines deem unprofitable anymore. Especially when it is not that old of a route. How much $$ do these airlines pay folks to decide what cities to fly to. Hell, I could get $75,000/yr to have an airline service a $$ losing route for under a year!  Big grin


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

I believe it was mentioned on the thread about HA's new SYD service that the suspension of ONT would allow the commencement of SYD, which is most likely a better use of resources.

I would imagine that the 763 is a bit large for the ONT market. I wonder if AQ could make it work with a 73G, since they have had a lot of success in smaller West Coast markets.



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User currently offlineMikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4436 times:
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I think FAT is a codeshare with HP, but am not sure.

I'm surprised they never flew out of SJC



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Hawaiian's service out of FAT is a codeshare on American Eagle, one of the many codeshares AE operates on their LAX flights.

HA's codeshare with HP covers a number of cities mainly to the east and north of PHX but not Fresno or others to the west.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Sunvalley,
Where did you get this information from? I haven't heard or read anything about this here in HNL. Please share your sources.

Regards



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User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

HALFA, here it is.
www.http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2004/01/19/daily44.html?jst=b_ln_hl

[Edited 2004-01-22 23:59:19]

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5947 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
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I can see AQ flying to ONT. It would definitely boost their presence in the L.A. Basin, since they have flights from SNA and BUR. I wonder if FAT has the population base for AQ HNL service. SMF seems to have enough of a market to support both HA and AQ.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5947 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
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I can see AQ flying to ONT. It would definitely boost their presence in the L.A. Basin, since they have flights from SNA and BUR. I wonder if FAT has the population base for AQ HNL service. SMF seems to have enough of a market to support both HA and AQ.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

I believe it was mentioned on the thread about HA's new SYD service that the suspension of ONT would allow the commencement of SYD, which is most likely a better use of resources.


However, the day after they are pulling out of ONT, they are going double-daily on SEA-HNL.



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User currently offlineAirMatt From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

What a bummer. I thought they were going to make it this time, as they've been there for quite a while. Hopefully AQ will step up and fill the void. I definitely think there's a market for ONT-HNL.

User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Sunvalley,
I would love to read the article but can't seem to pull it up. The link must have expired. I did a search on the Pacific Business News website, but couldn't find it.

Regards



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User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Population base in Fresno area might be large enough, but the amount of $$ they have to spend to go to HNL might not be there. Large population doesn't always equate a lot of $$ to travel.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Here is the article
http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2004/01/19/daily44.html



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

SprxflySWA,

I think the money is there in Fresno. But pricing would have to make sense since many FAT travellers (especially families) are willing to drive elsewhere to save money on airfare.

Another article I read about the end of HA at ONT said it was actually priced higher on ONT-HNL than an HA flight out of LAX.
http://www.pe.com/business/local/stories/PE_Biz_aloha22.a0f52.html

[Edited 2004-01-23 04:20:26]


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User currently offlineFLIBOYZ From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

OOPS!!!!!  Wink/being sarcastic That's what I meant...SMF......Was thinking of something else while typing. Sooooo Sorry.......

User currently offlineFLIBOYZ From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

As I work for another airline and can pull up the fares a particular airline is charging on routes, it does not surprise me that this market isn't making it. Sometimes I even pull up fare comparisons with HA and other airlines and find that a lot of times HA charges the most on the routes. Sometimes as much as a few hundred dollars. This excludes the internet. I repeat excludes. So a POSSIBLE factor could be that they were charging too high a price.

Who knows. Maybe AQ CAN make it a go serving ONT-HNL and ONT-OGG. Maybe even FAT-HNL and FAT-OGG. One route that I have noticed that HA charges a lot for is the SAN-HNL route. Sometimes I can't believe my eyes when I see the prices. Again this is EXCLUDING the internet. Maybe they need a little more competition from the home town rival...ALOHA. AQ should start PDX-HNL too and SEA-HNL....



User currently offlineSprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

I'd like to see BOI-OAK-HNL.
It would leave here early 6am. Need an early OAK flight, since WN don't ever seem to going to have it.
This flight,plus late return, would compete with SkyWest/UAX SFO flights. Bigger planes,less delays.
Plus, if you add any BOI-OAK pax, with any going to HNL, this MAY be a viable trip.Adding any thru pax w/ originating in OAK could give enough pax.

However, as I see Hawaiian Vacations weekly trip to OGG go from nonstop to combining it with GEG-OGG trip, and only see 60+ pax, maybe this would not work. But, it would give a lot more options than being on Maui for a week.
I'm selfish, just want early OAK flight!!


25 SunValley : Sprx, When RNO was added over at AQ, they seriously considered BOI, so I know it is on their plate at sometime. Additonally I know AQ has shown a grea
26 Us330 : SLC having the highest population of Pacific Islanders outside the state of Hawaii doesn't surprise me. Want to guess why? The Mormons were the ones t
27 Leneld : I'm really surprised that Aloha doesn't fly to Portland or Seattle area...
28 Skaggs : Thats too bad, their 767-300 sitting amongst all the 737 - MD80 - RJ airline fleet was truly beautiful. I sat there and stared at it for an hour while
29 Wedgetail737 : The OAK-HNL route on AQ hasn't always been early in the morning. During the summer of 2002, the HNL flight left OAK at 12:30PM. So, the aircraft would
30 Post contains images Iflyatldl : Could ONT support a 737NG flight- Does Aloha serve ONT? I can't remember.
31 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I too have noticed that Hawaiian often times has among the most expensive of fares from the west coast to hawaii. So that definitely could have had so
32 Coronado990 : There's your flight right there...SLC-ONT-HNL on AQ. It's bound to happen.
33 FLIBOYZ : AQ is doing great on most of there Mainland-Hawaii routes. OAK-HNL, SNA-HNL, OAK-OGG, SNA-OGG. AQ also thought about serving SAN before HA decided to
34 ASBOIRR : However, as I see Hawaiian Vacations weekly trip to OGG go from nonstop to combining it with GEG-OGG trip, and only see 60+ pax, maybe this would not
35 Wedgetail737 : When can we expect to hear any new city announcements from Aloha? I would imagine if AQ managed to get DCA slots, that would be next city. FLIBOYZ...d
36 Post contains links Bubbinski : Salt Lake does have a good sized Pacific Islander community....I think a lot of them live in places like West Valley City, but you'll find them all ov
37 FLIBOYZ : Wedegetail737 Yes. The LIH-OAK flight is seasonal. Maybe with more aircraft being delivered to AQ they may even go year round. Who knows right now. I
38 Post contains links and images FATFlyer : I don't think the Pacific Islander population would be a major reason for SLC to see service to the islands, it would just be a nice extra. Actually t
39 Us330 : Just out of curiosity, but do AQ and HA compete on any Mainland-Hawaii routes? It would be interesting to see who is making more profit, although my i
40 HALFA : Us330, Hawaiian and Aloha both fly from Sacramento and Phoenix to Hawaii. Aloha flies SMF-BUR-HNL, and PHX-SNA-OGG I believe. Hawaiian flies nonstop f
41 Socalatc : I think they need to try out LGB. I know aloha wanted to but could not get the slots. For some reason I think HA would do ok in LGB. IM probably wrong
42 Ha763 : It doesn't surprise me that HA is pulling out of ONT. The loads were generally light. That's why they moved the LAS flight from LAX to ONT, to try to
43 Lasbagman : hi HA763 I am hearing more rumours about east coast flights. I work for Globeground in LAS and handle HA8/7 flights. Have you heard anything about mor
44 Aloha73g : Hawaiian and Aloha both fly from Sacramento and Phoenix to Hawaii. Aloha flies SMF-BUR-HNL, and PHX-SNA-OGG I believe. Hawaiian flies nonstop from bot
45 Hawaiian717 : Socalatc wrote: I think they need to try out LGB. I know aloha wanted to but could not get the slots. AQ considered LGB as a backup, in case they were
46 FLIBOYZ : As I said earlier, internet rates EXCLUDED. The prices that HA lists on RES is sometimes outrageously ridiculous. Regardless if they are the only airl
47 HNLFlyboy : FLIBOYZ, I have heard nothing but good comments in regards to AQ's trans-pac service in both classes. I want to try them myself and I used to be a Pre
48 Usnseallt82 : Wish they wouldn't, but oh well.
49 Ha763 : FLIBOYZ, If you read my post, I said that HA charges a premium for providing non-stop service. Of course HA's fares look high many times. Have you che
50 Ha763 : Lasbagman, I haven't heard anything about LAS from my friends who work at HA, since I don't work for them anymore. I also haven't been to LAS for a co
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