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MEXICANA's New Strategy... A Well Structured Plan!  
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

As I said in a previous post, Mexicana wasn't thinking of OneWorld after they broke with UA. First they needed to get a strong partner in the United States and after that, they will evaluate joining another alliance. It is true that negotiations with AA were on their way after the UA/MX brake, but joining OneWorld was and still is not their priority. Remember that Mexicana's biggest market is the Mexico - United States market, the one that all the "paisanos" travel; and after 7 years working with UA, they realized that the performance of the codeshare deal was poor and MX was losing the battle with other competitions, struggling to get more travelers in their planes. If this was going to continue, MX had just two or three more years as the biggest airline in the Mexico - United States market. The good part was that the UA/MX codeshare contract was about to expire, so MX started working on different scenarios to see how they could keep their dominance in the Mexico - US market. During a meeting of MX board, a new business plan was approved and the future of MX changed suddenly. New airplane leases were approved, widebodies were being studied and the search of a new US partner started. In order to do this, MX did not extend the 7 year codeshare contract with UA which released UA's anger, and thus, did whatever it could to kick MX from Star Alliance. MX did not have a problem with the other codeshare deals, in fact, they did not brake the contracts with other Star partners (LH, AC, NZ, RG, etc). If the other Star partners wanted to brake the contracts or kick MX from Star, then it would not be MX problem and MX will be the one claiming the exit clauses. This was a brilliant move by MX and I have to recognize the hard and intelligent work of MX executives. (I'm not saying I agree with them, but it was an intelligent move).

In conclusion, MX's new business plan is focused on having the best partners for each market, so expect MX to evaluate codeshare deals one by one and to sign them with any airline that gives them a competitive advantage (keeping the ones that are being profitable). They learned from this experience and in the future MX does not want to spend so much money in IT, training practices, etc. to meet the standards of an alliance that might not work for them. After all, those big expenses became sunk costs for the airline, since assets like StarNet will not be useful anymore. About MX joining OneWorld, I think that it will much depend on how their partnership with AA develops and I'm sure that a thorough evaluation will be done. Another key factor of MX future is the privatization of the airline, lets hope they do it right away...

About United, I think that MX has to thank UA for all the help provided during the 7 year that the codeshare lasted. Lets not forget that UA helped MX become a good airline with high international standards. Seven years ago, MX was about to go bankrupt and their service was quite bad. A hole strategy was implemented with UA help, in order to transform MX and to help them meet the standards needed to join Star Alliance. So after all, MX learned a lot from UA and thanks to them and to the hard work of MX employees, today we can say that MX is a high quality airline (Although, I hope they improve their financial performance soon which is one of their weakness...)

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So there you have it, a well structured plan that in the eyes of MX executives will help the airline get ready to be sold and will increase their market value... what do you guys think?

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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5211 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Rojo,

I was told that MX will only hold code share flights with LH and AC. And they will stop code sharing with UA and RG. And I want to guess that those LH and AC code shares will end pretty soon. I see MX starting code shares with LA, IB and BA.

Here's a piece from a letter from MX's CEO Mr. Fernando Flores to all the MX employees.....

'De igual manera, establece que en el futuro cercano, se realizarán las gestiones necesarias para celebrar los acuerdos bilaterales con las empresas que están asociadas con American Airlines en las diversas regiones del mundo.'

So after reading this words I can see MX joining 1World. When? uhm.. I want to guess that probably by December 04 or for sure 2005 will be the year.

Ricardo APM  Smile




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineWiLdmanVzla From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

I really hope they will join OneWorld... something is 'smelling so bad' in Star Alliance... .

*******


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Ghost:

You have to remember that Mexicana was part of Star Alliance and they had a code share agreement with LanChile on the MX), Mexico">MEX-SCL route, so although Fernando Flores will start evaluating the codeshares with BA and IB, you could still see MX code in flights from non OneWorld airlines. BA will be a good option, since MX wants to fly to LHR. The route is a cash cow and specially if they can codeshare with BA and both use their strong presence in each country to sell the flights. I know that MX will join OneWorld if an investment from one or more OneWorld airlines is done in MX, so they are working towards the sale of the airline and not towards a new alliance. But depending on negotiations, you will see MX joining an alliance or not...


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4090 times:

I also forgot to say that 6 months ago, Mexicana enhanced their codeshare agreement with Copa Airlines (not a OneWorld partner and no ties at all with OneWold). The codeshare has been working very good and MX has been selling a big number of tickets on CM flights to points like SDQ, PTY and SJU thanks to the enhancement.

To prove this:

http://www.copaair.com/nuestraEmpresa/noticias/noticia.asp?id=73

"En una próxima etapa - y para continuar ofreciendo mayores valores agregados a sus pasajeros - Copa Airlines y Mexicana de Aviación extenderán su cooperación en código compartido a otras ciudades en México y el resto de Latinoamérica."

Now, with a codeshare signed with AA, what do you think MX will do... I mean, AA has a very strong presence in Latin America and through the MIA hub, they can connect almost any MX passenger to any city served by CM. Are they going to drop CM?? MX is using strategies very good and the preassure is there...

What I'm trying to show is that MX is not working with OneWorld in mind, they know it is a possibility, but instead, they are working towards selling the airline with a set of codesharing agreements that can increase their market value because they are proved to be successful... so the airline will be ready to join an alliance.

Just imagine that IPAB decides to sell the airline in a bid, and hypothetically, two groups of Mexican investors enter that bid, one group working with LH (for example) and the other group working with AA. Remember that foreign citizens are not allowed to have more than 25% of a mexican airline. And the group working with LH wins the bid. Would you make MX drop OneWorld and rejoin Star Alliance, making frequent flyers angry?

Interpreting internal memos from the CEO could be misleading some times. A lot can change in one or two days, an that is because MX's goal is not to get the airline into an alliance, but to sell the airline. If in order to sell the airline, they need to join an alliance, then they will join OneWorld or any alliance they agreed to join...

I haven't been in Mexico for quite some time, so I haven't talk to the people I know about what is new with MX, but I can figure out were MX is going


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4069 times:
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MX want to expand in Europe, the UK is on their radar. A LHR-MX), Mexico">MEX route is possible, when are we likely to see MX in London and what equipment possibly?



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3999 times:

Arsenal@LHR:

In a separate thread, Jopavon mentioned that MX is apparently in talks to lease either B777's, A330's or even A340's for its future long haul routes.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1361859/



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User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3933 times:


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So the question that now ponders is who will buy into Mexicana? Care to guess??? A while back JoseMex posed the idea of IB purchasing a stake in Mexicana. This wouldn't be of a surprise these days, with what's going on, nor would it be that in the near future a few other unexpected contenders express interest in aquiring the 25% stake in the airline (i.e. Lan Chile, Lufthansa, American Airlines.) What contenders from the Aviation sector would pay the amount Cintra (or the IPAB) request, and which of these bidders would reap the most benefit of making the big investment in Mexicana de Aviacion?

In my point of view, for the most obvious reasons American Airlines would stand to be the most benefited if it aquired a stake in the airline, but realistically it is not in the best financial position to do so. My second choice would be between either IB or Lufthansa. IB would be the primary choice given the fact that they have the money to do so and would stand to reap the benefits of being the number one carrier dominating and controlling the Mexico - Europe market. Now that Mexicana is out of Star Alliance, Mexicana is of less value to Lufthansa. If Lufthansa sees it fit, could it want to try to bring MX back into Star (would that be a possibility?). I wouldn't doubt to see LAN Chile lurking around and taking a closer look at the perspective but would Mexicana fit into the LAN America plan. From what I've seen, LAN Chile does not like to invest into established airlines because they come with many problems. They like to start them off from scratch so as to create low cost and effective puppet controlled subsidiaries with fresh employees and no seniority and union issues that plague airlines with a little bit of history.

The most important factor will lie on whether Mexicana can make a profit this year. In a hypothetical scenario can you imagine IB trying to explain to its board the reasoning behind buying a profitable or a not profitable Mexicana de Aviacion, with its disastrous historical investments in VIASA, Venezolana de Aviacion; Aerolineas Argentinas; and LADECO.

I'm looking forward to see Cintra's financial statements for the 4th quarter 2003. They were looking better and better in the 3rd quarter, with AM being the shining star of the group by breaking even.

So what do you think?

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3028 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Mexicana will not join OneWorld right now. They will wait and see how the codeshare works with AA. I hope MX gets 777s. I see AA convincing MX to go for the 777. American can help MX train its pilots and engineers on this aircraft.

Whatever MX is planning I hope it works for them. Having AA as a codeshare partner is a good and big benifit. This codeshare offers more destinations through out Latin America that they didnt have with UA.

Mexicana should make Aerocaribe a stronger airline. They can open up new destinations in the Caribbean, Central America and some cities in the United States, like New Orleans.

It's good to see the MX is studying their plans very well.

GO Mexicana.  Big thumbs up  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3775 times:
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Thanks for the link EddieDude. Can't wait to see MX in the UK.





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User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Now that Mexicana is out of Star Alliance, Mexicana is of less value to Lufthansa
Latinplane,
I don't agree with you, it still provides exactly the same: interline baggage connection, ff miles, codeshare flights...the only difference is not being in Star...it's like any other codeshare. MX still gives LH a lot of destinations in Mexico and LH gives MX flights to Europe.
If MX starts it's own operations to Europe and codeshares with IB & BA...then MX will be less interesting to LH.

ow, with a codeshare signed with AA, what do you think MX will do... I mean, AA has a very strong presence in Latin America and through the MIA hub, they can connect almost any MX passenger to any city served by CM. Are they going to drop CM
Rojo,
MX had a codeshare with UA, AC and LH to the same destinations in Europe either connecting in YYZ, ORD or FRA. I think both are of interest to the airline. I don't see that change. AA also has codeshares with many other airlines that are not part of OW.

It looks that MX wants to offer more destinations in Latin America & Caribbean.

Let's wait and see if MX makes some sort of European announcement next week in FITUR (one of the world's largest touristic fairs, and MX has participated every year in Mexico's stand). I'll be there and let you know any news about it. Airliner World (feb 04) stated that MX was to open their European office in Madrid...so maybe that's what they are waiting for to make the announcements. Any thoughts? Someone knows if any MX big boss is showing up at the fair?



Come fly Mexicana, to Mexico!
User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

MX did not extend the 7 year codeshare contract with UA which released UA's anger, and thus, did whatever it could to kick MX from Star Alliance. MX did not have a problem with the other codeshare deals, in fact, they did not brake the contracts with other Star partners (LH, AC, NZ, RG, etc). If the other Star partners wanted to brake the contracts or kick MX from Star, then it would not be MX problem and MX will be the one claiming the exit clauses

I think one key point being missed here is the fact that when you refuse to work in cooperation with the largest airline within the alliance you are in, things are clearly not working out.

Do you really think Lufthansa and Air Canada (among other Star's) would've been fine watching Mexicana overtly codeshare/cooperate with American (the path Mexicana obviously was headed down from the first press release citing UA-MX issues)? I don't think so.

There's a very clean-cut difference between Mexicana starting to codeshare with a non-"allied" airline such as America West, while honoring its Star-partner United, and beginning to codeshare with what is undoubtedly United's largest competitor (American), and indirectly jumping ship to a completely different alliance.

I'd say blaming United's anger for Mexicana's departure from Star is completely invalid.

Derek


User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Mexicana should make Aerocaribe a stronger airline. They can open up new destinations in the Caribbean, Central America and some cities in the United States, like New Orleans.
Mexicana757,
I honestly think that MX should take over QA routes with own MX planes giving them a stronger presence in other markets and also more destinations to its partners.
Or at least the profitable ones and use QA to create market and then have MX deliver the service once the route is well established.

Besides that, how about AA helping MX with some of its parked B767s, B757 or F100 to boost some services?

[Edited 2004-01-23 23:32:54]


Come fly Mexicana, to Mexico!
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Jopavon:

MX had a codeshare with UA, AC and LH to the same destinations in Europe either connecting in YYZ, ORD or FRA. I think both are of interest to the airline. I don't see that change. AA also has codeshares with many other airlines that are not part of OW.

But UA, AC and LH belong to the same alliance and codesharing with them was part of the purposes of being in Star Alliance. AA and CM are not in the same alliance and they are overlapping destinations... I will say that they could keep both codeshares, but do you think AA will be very happy of having the opportunity to enhance their MIA hub with more passengers from MX, but MX prefers to send them through PTY thanks to their codeshare with CM, an airline that belongs (49%) to their competitor Continental. Well, MX is playing very good its cards in the table!!! Pure strategy...


UnitedFirst:

I think one key point being missed here is the fact that when you refuse to work in cooperation with the largest airline within the alliance you are in, things are clearly not working out.

It is not missing: Remember that Mexicana's biggest market is the Mexico - United States market, the one that all the "paisanos" travel; and after 7 years working with UA, they realized that the performance of the codeshare deal was poor and MX was losing the battle with other competitions, struggling to get more travelers in their planes. If this was going to continue, MX had just two or three more years as the biggest airline in the Mexico - United States market.

Things were clearly not working out with UA (the largest member of the alliance) and since MX got most of its revenue from the Mexico - United States market, why would they continue working with a weak partner in that market. Now, how do they get rid of them, well that required a good strategy!!! And that is what I'm stating...

Do you really think Lufthansa and Air Canada (among other Star's) would've been fine watching Mexicana overtly codeshare/cooperate with American (the path Mexicana obviously was headed down from the first press release citing UA-MX issues)? I don't think so.

I don't think so either, but you have to realize that there are contracts signed with penalty clauses for early exit. MX did not want to brake them and pay, so now is LH and AC turn to see if they brake them and pay MX... it is a strategy! MX can continue honoring them, they don't have a problem, but why haven't LH and AC broke them???? Lets see what happens...


I'd say blaming United's anger for Mexicana's departure from Star is completely invalid.

I'm not blaming United, in fact I stated the following: (I'm not saying I agree with them, but it was an intelligent move). but the reality is that UA in fact kicked them out of Star... although it was also a fact that MX wanted to get out of Star without paying... why not get what you want at the minimum cost!!!


User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Javopan

"I don't agree with you, it still provides exactly the same: interline baggage connection, ff miles, codeshare flights...the only difference is not being in Star...it's like any other codeshare. MX still gives LH a lot of destinations in Mexico and LH gives MX flights to Europe.
If MX starts it's own operations to Europe and codeshares with IB & BA...then MX will be less interesting to LH."



You are correct at the moment. Mexicana is independent, it will serve its best interest by aligning its codeshare partners to whom it better serves its interest. American in North America, Lufthansa to Europe, and Copa to Central America and the Caribbean. Mexicana can have its cake, and it eat too. That's fine.

BUT, (hypotheically speaking) when Mexicana is auctioned by the Mexican government, who ever bids the highest will win. The fact that Mexicana is out of STAR automatically makes it less interesting for Lufthansa to acquire a stake because any other carrier (IB, BA) can come in and purchase an equity and force Mexicana to join its alliance given its newly and close to be relation with American Airlines. Although Mexicana needs a partner to help it gain access to the European market, what is of upmost importance to Mexicana is its bread and butter routes to the USA. And given that American is no longer a thread to Mexicana, but its new best friend then I only see it being coerced into hanging out with the mundo uno group, cause they most likely have the money to take Mexicana out of the Mexican government's hands.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5211 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Rojo,

Now, with a codeshare signed with AA, what do you think MX will do... I mean, AA has a very strong presence in Latin America and through the MIA hub, they can connect almost any MX passenger to any city served by CM. Are they going to drop CM?? MX is using strategies very good and the preassure is there...

A very good question. I think only time will tell. But I'll give you my predictions...

1. MX will stop code sharing with CM. And MX will return to PTY.
2. MX will stop code share. AM will start codeshing with CM on the MEx-PTY.
3. Or AM will start flights to PTY and will code share with CM. And MX will dissapear from PTY.

Finally, I think best bidders for MX are: 1. AA, 2. IB, 3. BA. I think we have to discard LH & of course UA.

Ricardo APM  Smile




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

What I'm trying to show is that MX is not working with OneWorld in mind, they know it is a possibility, but instead, they are working towards selling the airline with a set of codesharing agreements that can increase their market value because they are proved to be successful... so the airline will be ready to join an alliance.

Question: How long did the people at Xola know about MX pulling out of Star Alliance for?
Answer: Months !

This example makes me wonder that an airline the size of MX hardly will give a step without analyzing EVERYTHING and having an estimated outcome in mind. au contraire to you, I do think MX has OneWorld in mind.

In the other hand.... do you really think they do not know who the potential buyers are already? Come on, neglecting that fact is naive and equals to thinking that someone, came out of God-knows-where will come, knock in the door and ask how much your airline cost?

It is true that while doing those financial and commercial moves, they "might" be making it more attractive for possible investors. It won't hurt after all. Who guarantees that being out of Star was not a condition set by someone in order to be bought? Only Mr. Flores and a few more know it for sure. The rest of us will have to wait a post on a.net to know about it.

RM  Smile



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Does this mean we might see AA on other airports such as HMO?? Will mexicana have more routes in the US? (other than codeshares)


Acabo de unirme a A.net me gustaria saber si hay alguien de HMO por aqui.


User currently offlineChicago757 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Mexicana also had to pull out of Chicago Midway due to ATA's nonstops to Mexico. ATA killed Mexicana in cheaper fares to Mexico.


Go White Sox!!!!
User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

FLY2HMO:
Welcome to the forums. As far as I know there's no one from HMO here.

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineDFWMEX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

I would like to see direct service like MEX-TAM-DFW. Mexicana used to have MEX-ACA-DFW, MEX-GDL-MZT-MTY-DFW (a long one but must have been fun to be on those multi-stop direct flights). I got to fly MEX-CUN-DFW in 1986, 1987, MEX-MTY-DFW in 1988, DFW-PVR-MEX in 1988, DFW-CZM-MID (Merida?)-MEX IN 1989/90 this was a lot of fun, and also got to fly the non-stops (least fun). They also had the MEX-GDL-MTY, MEX-GDL-DFW, oh, I forgot! I also flew the MEX-ZIH-ZLO-DFW, also a fun one. I used to come to where I live now (DFW) every summer to visit my grandmother since 1985 until I moved here in 1991. Now I do it going south, but only on non-stops with AA or rarely with AM when they offer cheaper tickets than AA.

I think they should do the Tampico routing to compete with CO. There are a lot of people from that area either: accepting the monopoly prices of CO, going by road to the border, then flying from MFE, or simply going all the way through MEX.

I would love to also see MEX-TAM-ORD or MIA


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Chicago757:

Is MX still flying to Morelia from MDW? I recall seeing such a flight in March, 2002 in MX's website while looking for tickets to MX), Mexico">MEX from ORD. I also remember being in MDW in June, 2002 and seeing people lining up in MX's counter (I just don't know where they were going to). Thanks.



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User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Does anyone know if MX is still flying Mty-Yvr iam not sure if it was just for the summer or if it is a new service all year. If its not I hope they fly it every summer

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

According to the schedule valid as of January 12, MX is flying MX), Mexico">MEX-YVR non-stop MX 980 08:10-12:00 4x, and via GDL MX 984 17:30 - 23:05 2x. A319's in both cases.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Mexicana dropped all flights to MDW on May 31, 2003 to concentrate operations in ORD. MDW was only a reaction to TZ's flights to GDL competing against MX. MX finally realized that having two stations in Chicago was very expensive and decided to close the MDW station.

25 Jopavon : Rojo, Do you see MX flying back MEx-DFW, CUN-DFW & GDL-DFW in the near future: from May or June? Do you see MX doing MEx-STL...could be an option to u
26 Pzurita1 : FLY2HMO, I have seen someone else from HMO, but I cannot remember his nickname. May be if you post something like Spotting in HMO", he/she will show u
27 Post contains images LambertMan : Jopavon, thats what I was thinking. Couldn't MX do like a 3 or 4x weekly to CUN (to complement AA's sorry Sat. only 757) or MEX into STL and with a bi
28 Fly2hmo : Pzurita1: Thanks, will consider posting that
29 HMOMX : FLY2HMO: I'm a proud citizen of "La Ciudad del Sol". Welcome to the forums. Glad to know i'm not alone anymore =) I should be interest to see more int
30 Rojo : Rojo, Do you see MX flying back MEx-DFW, CUN-DFW & GDL-DFW in the near future: from May or June? Do you see MX doing MEx-STL...could be an option to u
31 Post contains images Ghost77 : Expect more from MX... apparently 2004 will be the year! MX hired in the past days 100 f/a's. Next March they'll hire another 100 f/a's. They'll get 0
32 Fly2hmo : HMOMX: HOLA!! good thing were at least 2 in here. I figure we have 70% chances we already know each other, more if you fly r/c in HMO.
33 TBCITDG : If Mexicana where to join OneWorld, would this upset the other Latin member LAN? I am not too sure how good the Mexicana network is in South America,
34 WiLdmanVzla : TBCITDG: In South America MX flies (with their oen planes) to CCS, BOG & EZE non stop... they codeshare with RG to GRU & GIG... I think an agreement w
35 EddieDude : I think that, unless MX's expansion plans include flights to more destinations in South America, LA will still remain stronger the way things are toda
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