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New Uses For A318  
User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

what would stop a military from buying new aircraft for roles that old ones currently perform. take subhunting for example. a B737 or A319 could be adapted to that role easily. in fact, boeing has already proposed it. why is it that we do not see more commercial aircraft performing more varied roles?


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User currently offlineTheFLCowboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

The A318 is small enough to make a good football. Wouldn't mind kickin it across the way.

MD



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User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Very funny FLCowboy..... I was thinking it would make a neat planter.....

User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

I'd rather have a prop for the sub hunting role, the jets fly too fast.


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Not to mention that subhunting isn't as big as it once was!  Smile

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

wouldn't the 318 make a good platform for a smaller (not by much) ACJ? then again, anything can make a good CJ if you have the $$.


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

It's funny how 767's are in that very same 'junk yard' you mention.... And not necessarily 'early' models either.....


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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

The problem is that there's not that many old uses for the A318. It's overly heavy, but without providing any real benefit. Mostly, cutting a plane short is a bad idea (747SP as classic example of such a failure). The A319 at least delivered an increased range and a seat number in the same range as its main competitor. The A318 simply does not provide the added incentive to overlook its performance issues.

Still, it may be too early to call it a commercial failure and a failed design. For now, at least.

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineMd11lover From Switzerland, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2877 times:



CO737800, the reason you dont see as many A310s and A300s anymore have nothing to do with what they are made out of. Nowadays, there are more efficient a/c which can replace their position in the market therfore lowering operating costs for airlines. As for your opinion regarding the A320 family, I think you should choose more appropriate language for a civilized forum because Airbuses are definitely not a piece of junk.

MD11lover


User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Well slowbird you are right some 767 are in junk yards but most are in storage. We are in bad times and many Airlines are flying with fewer planes and they store many of the oldest ones in the fleet. Iam sure most of the 767 will be back in the air way before the 300 or 310. You still see hundreds of 737-200 and Dc 9's still flying around some 20-35 years old.

User currently offlineLuisinho From Portugal, joined Nov 2000, 229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

hiii CO737800

I think that we should have diferent junkyards...
And there are lot's of old Airbus aircraft still flying... Check this pics and their dates!


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User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Luis WOW thats nice can you show me more

User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

I give up arguing with idiots - they just drag you down to their level and then beat you at their game....

You have your opinion, we have ours.



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User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Before you all get upset cause I like Boeings more then the Airbus. If I was CEO of a airline right now I would order the A330 over the 767.

User currently offlineBoo25 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Give me a A318 over an ancient DC9 / 737-200 anyday.

User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

Well I dont wanna argue, but i find it funny that at the moment yall are calling the old DC9s and 732s and A300s n all them junk, while at the same time alot of people are sayin it would be cool when people get oldies like 707s n Constelations n all that in the air. Just because it aint brand new dont mean it dont work no more. I've been in situations where the older stuff its just as usefull as the new equiptment.

Just think about it. Everything goes via the same set of titles. New - Used - Junk - Antique. Sometimes if you keep something long enough in good condition it becomes n antique and thus be worth something again.



CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

I have a serious question, Why would anyone order the 318 and not just go with the 319? The 319 has more seats and from what I understand still has about the same specs as the 318......
Now personally I don't like the 318 at all... My opinion might change after I get to fly on it, but just from the factual information I don't like it... Ill let yall know what I think after my flight on Monday!




/// UNITED AIRLINES
User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

I give up arguing with idiots - they just drag you down to their level and then beat you at their game....

You have your opinion, we have ours.


here here speedbird!! mysentiments exactly!!



"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Luisinho, the A318 would definitly not replace the 717, perhaps some DC-9's...

User currently offlineANX4fishing From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

You all sound like the bickering idiots back in the 90's arguing PC vs Macintosh.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

The A318 is a good idea, In Theory, but then again Communism was a good idea In Theory. It is to heavy for it's size, much like the 736. The only good use for the A318 is as a football.

DLKAPA


User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

The A318, like the 736, is only good for long, low-pax routes. Regional jets can fly shorter segments with far lower operating costs, or larger mainliners (73G, A319) can fly significantly more pax with only slightly higher DOCs. This leaves the A318 and 736 as niche players, as demonstrated by lackluster sales.

For a few airlines with large A319/A320 fleets that don't want to add a separate 100-seat RJ, the A318 is worth a look. I don't think it will be particularly successful, but then again, it probably didn't cost that much to develop. Ditto with the 736. The EMB 195 and possibly the FD728 and BRJ-X may shut the double-shrinks out of this market segment.

BTW, communism was never a good idea, theoretically or otherwise  Smile. Marx's assumptions were completely wrong.

--B2707SST



Keynes is dead and we are living in his long run.
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2018 times:

If I was starting up an airline from scratch, I would not look at anything less than ten years old. With 733s in desert by the dozens and even the little 732s with decades on them would be so much more economical to run run as long as you get goods ones and take care of them. The A318 is a great idea. Unfortunately, those that have been targeted by the program have figured out a better way to do the same thing. NW is not going to get rid of the DC-9 anytime soon. jetBlue is not going smaller with their 'buses either. I also think the 764 is a better a/c the the 763. In theory then everyone should be getting rid of their older 767s for the new one just because it's new. Didn't think so.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 1946 times:

Rather 318 than Walmart 737´s  Laugh out loud

Michael//SE



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 1916 times:

Luisinho, CO737800: Will you both stop your bickering with who is better.

Airbus and Boeing are great aircraft builders or they wouldn't be around. Luisinho, I do not agree with your comments about the 717. It is a very fine aircraft, and you should not dis it until you fly it. One of the last aluminum aircraft you'll be seeing, enjoy it.

CO737800, What is this crap about you saying Airbuses will not be around in 30 years. They can last as long as any 737 providing the airline takes good care of them. There is some speculation how the fibers can come apart and separate, but it is not true. Power companies have started using Fiberglass and Kevlar for their streetlight posts, instead of the aluminum. Fiberglass is the future. So would both of you please stop your bickering, you are both right, and you are both wrong. So Drop it.


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